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nella -> RE: Anal Training (3/28/2005 4:08:46 AM)

Nice to know, than you chainedgirl.




FragileRose -> RE: Anal Training (3/30/2005 12:03:57 AM)

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EmeraldSlave2
If you want it just to be a punishment or don't care, then just take her and rape her ass. The body will deal with it and heal on its own. But most people save that only for special occasions.


While this may be an ironic statement, I think it bears saying that rough anal sex can be very dangerous. It concerns me that some people might take on the task of "raping" a submissive's ass without careful consideration of health issues. Anal tissues are more fragile than vaginal tissues, so various injuries can take place in any act of anal sex, not to mention ones violent ones. Rectal tearing, fistula, and colon infections are all possible consequences of anal sex. These can be life threatning. Rectal tearing itself can lead to rapid onset of peritonitis: blood and feces are a dangerous combination. If your submissive experiences serious anal bleeding after anal sex, it could be a medical emergency. Don't wait to go see the doctor.

Dr. Jack Morin's book Anal Pleasure & Health: A Guide for Men and Women is widely regarded as the most authoritative source of information on anal sex. This book should provide most, if not all, of the information necessary to initiate someone into anal sex and assure his/her health and well being at the same time.




krazij9 -> RE: Anal Training (3/31/2005 2:43:30 PM)

Raveena, please dont feel silly. I think it sounds wonderful and I think you sound wonderful! Your bf sounds like a really lucky guy. Hugs and kisses to all of you.




twicehappy -> RE: Anal Training (8/29/2006 4:09:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress


I seem to recall that glass bottles are bad for insertion.not only is there the problem of broken glass, but if I remember right, you can end up with a suction problem.

 
Speaking as a nurse NEVER EVER insert any type of glass in a body orifice, especially not some thing that can cause above mentioned suction problem. Filling the bottle with wax or drilling holes in it may solve the suction issue but there is no way to solve the breaking problem.

Yes i know many people do it without problems over and over again; then there are those who show up in the emergency room with a bottle up their butt or worse yet the ones on whom for various reasons the bottle broke.

The first is only embarrassing the second can fix it so your slave is never capable or having anal sex again. I know someone who this happened to.




CrypticVisionz -> RE: Anal Training (9/26/2007 3:50:17 PM)

never stick anything glass up your ass?  They make toys out of Pyrex because its super strong.  I have 2 glass plugs, and 2 glass dildos. Glass is an amazing substance for toys. It can be heated, cooled, it always feels big because it has no give to it.  I dig the hell out of my glass toys, and wouldn't give them up for the world.  Pyrex is a great substance, but never put anything in your butt or any other part of the body if it was not designed to be put there.




apiercedkitty -> RE: Anal Training (9/26/2007 4:35:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: topcat

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Sodomy is indeed a lovely word, and i'm not just a witness, i'm an eyewitness.


EEK! Its Not supposed to go in your EYE, girl!


Noooo... it BURNS in the eye!!




Prinsexx -> RE: Anal Training (9/26/2007 4:38:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterGrim


She is still getting comfortable with anal sex, enthuisiasm is'nt the problem, just she's had no experience with it before our relationship plus she's rather petite/small.




I never had a problem with anal....the Rugby captain done me good. He was 19 and I was 24 at the time, on a mattress on the floor in the all female block of the Catholic Teacher Training College....having to restrain my gasps because of the fear of getting caught only added to the necessity for me to really relax....
anyway sorry getting carried away there....
cucumbers are good....kept in the fridge for a while.....if you keep one there for two or three days it's cold enough to keep the swelling down AND feels soooooooo good....get her to practice putting a condom over the end with her mouth like all good whores should do....buy more than one....you can buy 'em with long thin ends, or as thick as a dick AND give the checkout girl a wink as you beg them them......cuccumbers are green as well in more ways than one.....whichever hole you stick it in they are perfect to practice d.p.........
salad anyone????





SexyBlackMan2 -> RE: Anal Training (9/26/2007 5:57:29 PM)

I have trained my slaves in the past using butt plugs. The set of three has been the best. But never go right into. Allow her to get aroused and even use a regular dildo or vibrator in her pussy. Then use lube and be gentle in the beginning. Start with the small one and then work to the medium. U should be able to take her by that point. Remember lube up for her sake.




captainmarvelous -> RE: Anal Training (1/29/2008 8:29:55 AM)

i didnt know there was so much to be said about sex




CalifChick -> RE: Anal Training (1/29/2008 9:36:12 AM)

I didn't know one person could resurrect so many old threads.  Be bold!  Start a new topic!  Go on, it doesn't hurt much the first time!

Cali




DeliberateHand -> RE: Anal Training (1/29/2008 12:05:56 PM)

Slow, deliberate work with plugs are nice initial training.  But when it comes time for actual penetration, I offer two strong ideas that have worked wonderfully for Me.

First, I suggest lots and lots and lots of play in the session before One attempts to formally take an ass.  The goal is relaxation and nothing does it better than a long session.  If you're not the denying type, or not in the denying mood, an orgasm or two are good starters, as well.

Lastly, I've been told I have a nice voice.  And much of O/our initial conversations and play reveal much of what verbally turns Mine on.  Using words of encouragement, terms of endearment, and gentle commands throughout the event, for Me, has worked wonders.  A low whisper with My lips brushing her ear while I am behind, or, should I have her on her back, doing the same with My lips brushing hers have worked to relax, enhance trust, and make the entire event MUCH more enjoyable than it might have been otherwise.

I've gone from 0 to 100 this way.  Giving not one but two glorious, hard, fast assfuckings in a first anal session.

The sub MUST be mentally and emotionally ready.  Otherwise, it is about giving all the loving encouragement, comfort, and rewards a Dominant can...




wh0recristina -> RE: Anal Training (1/29/2008 1:39:51 PM)

another vote for the 3 finger rule from the receiving end....AND staying the hell away from KY Warm.  That burns!




sweetwenchie -> RE: Anal Training (1/29/2008 2:01:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I didn't know one person could resurrect so many old threads.  Be bold!  Start a new topic!  Go on, it doesn't hurt much the first time!

Cali



well that takes the fun out of it! [;)]




WindBlown07 -> RE: Anal Training (1/29/2008 4:10:23 PM)

Then of course, you can add the ginger!!!  :)




ThundersCry -> RE: Anal Training (1/29/2008 7:49:22 PM)

Lube lube and more lube...
 
Finger insertion on a daily basis...and it should not take long , a FEW days..to be able to penetrate her...IF above all she is willing and wanting *trained* in that area.
 
It`s gonna HURT some no matter what you do....I mean come on!
 
Enjoy...




AssPlayer -> RE: Anal Training (12/9/2008 1:52:52 PM)

I need training. So far, I 've been amateur.




BBWSubnTX -> RE: Anal Training (4/20/2009 6:24:04 PM)

My Dom is trying to train me.   So far it's not been a positive experience.  We've tried KY, we've tried Climax (BAD IDEA FOR US), we've tried Adam & Eve's lube.  He's tried his fingers, and his knuckles are so rough it really does hurt.  He's used a few inches of his penis, but there seems to be a wall or something, and it doesn't seem to be working well.  At the end of it all I'm sore and afraid to try again.  I want to please Him so much, but this has been a terrible experience so far.  So my question I guess is...  Do some people have an inability to have anal sex?  Will it hurt every time we try?  Is there a lube out there recommended for a tight ass, such as myself?  How many days of what should we be doing to train me?  We feel like the blind leading the blind.  He's my first "in person" master, and I'm his first subbie.   Any sane advice would be very appreciated.






HollywoodExecDom -> RE: Anal Training (4/23/2009 3:07:00 AM)

Let me clarify several things...

1) Layman's Physical Understanding of the Sphincter

The sphincter of the ass is a muscle, and just as a person must stretch overtime before they can do the splits, many subs must be stretched gradually overtime in order for anal sex to eventually become enjoyable.

The majority of women have had negative experiences with anal sex precisely because of aborted attempts by heterosexual males who thought you could "just stick it in." No.

In some cases stretching to accommodate anal sex can require weeks of slow, frequent sessions of stretching. Others women are able to have anal sex after just an hour. But over time, just like a gymnast gets more flexible from doing the splits, the ass gets more flexible and takes less time to "warm up" and becomes progressively more accommodating. And yes, it does revert back... just like any other muscle you stretch, it doesn't stick that way unless it gets torn or otherwise damaged and overtime will revert back to being just as tight.

2) Lubes

While opinions vary... here's my advice... first, water based lube works fine as long as its extremely "gloopy," viscous water based lube. I recommend Hydra Smooth and FriXion among the water based lubricants. The advantage to water based lubes is that they are condom friendly and easier to clean up.

With anal play, the ingredients you look for in a lube are much different than vaginal play, because you don't have to worry about yeast infections. Many major brand lubes are pH- (acidic) because normal vaginal pH is slightly acidic. But in anal play, the mucus membranes of the ass often are slightly sloughed off and that same acidic mixture will greatly irritate (hence the comments of "it burns") So, that said, don't use any lubes containing acidic ingredients, particularly the common ingredients: citric acid or benzoic acid (in some KY products). You may also want to avoid sodium hydroxide (a caustic basic ingredient found in other brands of KY). Basically, you want pH neutral lubes for anal play.

I also recommend lubes containing aloe for anal play.

Additionally, since you don't have to worry about "vaginal microflora," you are free to use oil based lubes, including cooking oils, and as I've heard many a time but have no direct knowledge, Crisco shortening is supposedly the best of all - sworn on by many a gay friend - and noted for being particularly long lasting.

But I should also mention, there are many great "gay" lubes specifically tailored to the purpose of anal play. (Elbow Grease, etc.)

Finally, if you are being very careful, going slow, and know each others limits, the desensitizing lubes are just fine to use. (but I reiterate those if statements) Actually, your sub may enjoy things more with them. But don't use desensitizing lube when you're pushing someone to stretch more, because it will mute certain sensations, possibly till its too late... but this idea has been significantly overblown by this board.

3) Method

Lots and lots of lube. Apply directly to the finger, insert moderately, remove, reapply, instert slightly further, reapply. Basically work a lot of lube in there. As a BDSM thing, you can use a small eye dropper to deliver it (so long as the bulb comes off - as this is an inherent vacuum effect)

I recommend fingers over all other things in stretching. I can't agree more with the 3 finger rule. If you can insert three fingers (not spread out, but smushed together), you can insert your penis (very, very slowly... I'll get to that later).

Use latex gloves or make sure you're finger nails and cuticles are immaculate. But start with one finger. Move it around, some moderate in out motion. But work very slowly and if it gets too much, wait till the next day. But go a little at at time till you can fit two fingers. When you fit two, I suggest spreading the fingers gently in the ass to induce stretching.

Throughout this, you need to make sure your sub is relaxing her sphincter. The natural impulse is for a sub to tense up, and you don't want to tense a muscle as its stretched. This is where most pain comes in. If you feel your sub tensing, remind her to breath deeply, to relax, and you should stop moving the finger till she is relaxed again.

The tendency is as a Dom is to freak your sub out a little, but this is counter productive to what you're doing here.

Fingers are the best because you get the most amount of feedback from your partner and can feel the tensing. Plus, I find it to be more controlling than letting the plug do the work.

Go slowly, and if two fingers won't work in one day, there's always tomorrow. etc.


4) Inserting the Penis

After applying three fingers, you should be pretty good. But let me point out, your fingers go in maybe 4 inches, while the rectum extends 5 inches, and the average penis is 6 inches (I'm not saying what mine is).

This means a few things... most of the stretching being done takes place at the sphincter, which is only about an inch, then you have rectum, the last part of which you didn't stretch (though it has more give inherently than the sphincter), and beyond that (5 to 6 inches in) you have a curve that marks beginning of the intestines.

This means, go slow...

For one, the last part of the rectum never stretched, but will easily stretch out if you give it a few seconds and gradually enter.

Second, just beyond that, is the curve of the intestine. If you have any length, you'll hit it. No, its not problem and definitely not as painful as it sounds - actually its often not painful as all as much as a bit overwhelming. Anatomy has it that it will straighten out rather quickly, but once again, you must go slow so that you don't poke against this curve. Once you go slowly in all the way, this curve will straighten out temporarily, and then you can start moderate thrusting.

5) Plugs

Plugs are fun, but be aware, that plugs shouldn't be very long. Nor do they need to be very wide, as much as they need to be wide relative to the neck so that they don't slip out. Avoid long plugs if you're going to have your sub "walk around" with it, as it will have a tendency to poke - particularly if its 4 or 5 inches and then it may start poking against the curve where the intestine meets the rectum.

You are fine with water based lube and a plug for probably 1 1/2 hrs and can easily go 2 hours, but it will start getting a little dry after that... which isn't a problem if you reapply. Other oil based lubes can allow wear of a plug for much, much longer. I don't know the limitations - and frankly, I've heard of people wearing plugs for extreme extended periods with no ill effects given proper lubrication - though you do have to be cautious that you're not strongly challenging the subs elasticity with the plug over that extended period.

6) Punishment?

I don't recommend using anal play as punishment, because frankly, over a short span, your sub will learn to enjoy it. Its not the best psychology to associate punishment with something they will grow to like... though you can throw sadistic tinges to it such as using ice, or applying icy hot to the outside of the rectum (by the way, you can remove it with cold cream). Personally, I'm more of a fan of adding humiliation to the anal play as the punishment component - i.e. they have to wear the butt plug to someplace wholly inappropriate, possibly without underwear, therefore risking it falling out onto the ground in front of people.

Let me stress... don't use hard anal sex in a punishment or pain way, because you are apt to injure.






HollywoodExecDom -> RE: Anal Training (4/23/2009 3:50:51 AM)

THE CHAMPAGNE BOTTLE (Or HollywoodDom's version of "Mythbusters")

I understand the desire to keep people safe, but don't spread completely speculative disinformation...

... I don't know the precise physics and aerodynamics of a champaign bottle, they do have several features that are substantially different from the bottles in medical literature that are "removed" namely:

1) wider base

2) smaller mouth than the bottles that I've heard inducing the so called vacuum effect.

3) they are much, much bigger.

I should point out, that the number of "rectum bottle removals" that involve any form of "vacuum effect" is extremely small, and all tend to involve BEER BOTTLES. Nevertheless, the few cases that do exist have reach urban legend proportions - and perpetuated this unscientific belief that bottles will magically generate massive vacuum forces and lodge in you.

Yes, a "vacuum effect" does happen with people who masturbate with bottles, but its dubious if in any cases of medical removal, "vacuum forces" were the primary reason for the bottle being stuck.

Generally, in all the cases I read in medical journals, the vacuum effect is merely a complicating force medics need to account for in the removal - particularly considering that most of the bottles need extraction have been lodged for upwards of several hours, steadily expanding, winding up beyond the rectum into the intestines.

The action of the rectum is generally the primary reason in even these "vacuum effect" cases of a bottle getting lodged. The doctors, in determining the best course of extraction of a bottle often several inches up the rectum, had to account for the additional stress on lining of the intestine from a possible vacuum effect.

Clearly, people who don't want people masturbating, much less with bottles, will perpetuate the story as though a girl put a bottle up her ass, and it suddenly got stuck there, but frankly, anatomy tells me that unless its really placed far (i.e. up to the intenstines which is when this needs to require medical intervention), the worst that could happen even with a strong "vacuum effect" is the sphincter equivalent of a hickey.

Sure, you can't 1,000% rule out the chance of this legendary vacuum happening with a champagne bottle, but understand, to have a vacuum requires differential air pressures. While theoretically, a person could begin masturbating with a very cold bottle, and as the the body heat caused the bottle expand, it would generate suction and provide a vacuum effect, its highly unlikely to be able to lodge based on vacuum forces alone.

I didn't find an credible example of a champagne or wine bottle getting stuck because of the vacuum effect. Frankly, since these bottles are bigger, they don't wind up in asses as much - nor do they as easily expand and generate a vacuum. You would probably get off far before the force built enough to be noticeable.

Lastly, if you still have any real fear of this, you can always drill a hole at the bottom of the bottle, therefore robbing any possibility of this mystical vacuum occurring - though perhaps a rope is the more important safety precaution given the actual evidence of why bottles get stuck in rectums.





InTonguesslut -> RE: Anal Training (4/23/2009 8:35:46 AM)

Bit of lube and i'm good to go [;)]
God damn it i like it when if fucking hurts and i don't want to be stretched to take it easier.[:@]




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