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Care of Property - 12/13/2006 2:26:30 AM

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No question here just perpelexed. i have read several posts here and on some yahoo groups where the property just shrugs off any and all activities as "Master can do whatever He wants with His property" even when such activities are harmful or damaging.

Years ago a good friend of mine bought a teak sailboat. After a day of sailing we spent a huge amount of time brushing down the deck with fresh water, making sure the boat was not docked without bumpers, folding each sail with care, coiling all ropes and lines, covering the sails, stowing the seat cushions etc. A lot of work. But my friend loved that boat and wanted it to be in perfect condition completely ready to sail. Of course it was his boat. He could have docked, shrugged and gone home and eventually the teak would have rotted, pitted from the saltwater, sails damaged, lines tangled and basically turn into a worthless vessel that would be unseaworthy. Yep, it was his property to do with as he wanted. It was obvious how much pride he took in that boat. When he eventually relocated from San Diego to Hawaii for his job he moved there by sailing all the way. The boat was ready and fit for a sea voyage. His slave, however, was not and he left her behind.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 2:36:42 AM

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Yeah, I hear ya. I guess the "answer" to your nonquestion is that the slave needs to choose his or her Master wisely. A Dom friend of mine once told me that it needs to be the wisest decision I ever make, since it will be the last one.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 2:53:11 AM

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I would assume the one any sub/slave would call their Master is one they've taken the necessary time to get to know and trust him to an acceptable and compatible degree.... A slave is property and it isn't rocket science to observe that if some potential Master doesn't look after his material possessions in general, it's reasonable to assume the slave can expect similar mistreatment....

Personally, I own my slave but her material possessions, particularly any she had before we met, are not something I'd lay claim to. But that's me.... I'd certainly frown upon her mistreating those possessions anyway, because that's not the standard of behaviour I set with mine!

Master certainly can do whatever he wants.... The onus is on said slave to choose the right Master for her. If she chooses poorly, she can always leave, no?

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 3:21:25 AM

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What throws me in this analogy is the unhappy ending. Maybe that is your way of reintroducing reality into the message? The idea of slaves used as property has to have a firm anchor in reality. You remember his meticulous care of the boat and felt that it would be the same with you. Memories can be both beautiful and painful.

The helmsman of the most striking yacht there is, should spend far more time on the maintenance of the people onboard than cleaning the decks. The happiness onboard is not dependent on a well maintained boat sailing through the blue waters to Hawaii, beautiful and wistful as that may seem today.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 3:47:17 AM

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Because unfortnately some people view their property as kleenex once its served its purpose you just toss it away. This is NOT My opinion but judging from what I've been reading on the boards as of late, I'd say a few others do.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 3:49:03 AM

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He enters dips His lid to all...

Interesting original post, Are you saying that;
-a sub is not property in the same manner as a boat as the sub interacts 'realtime' with the Master?
-your Dom was not based in reality?
-a Dom and a Boat are like a lover and a butterfly?- if so- check the horizon!

Warm regards to all.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 3:58:39 AM

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The story doesnt seem alot different then many marriages in that other world. An inantimate )sp?) object taking more presidence then the antimate (sp?) has been the downfall of many relationships, Nilla, Kinky or otherwise. It's obvious to me the Captian failed or choose not to see his sub's need and attend to it. Hell, I dove off the Ark for the same reason...........

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 4:36:39 AM

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Oh, just for clarification the boat-owner's slave was not me. He was a co-worker and he and his slave were friends of mine. i just went sailing with them.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 4:43:12 AM

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I do fall into the category that Master, literally, can do anything with his property that he sees fit. And yes, if he feels like ignoring me, than that is his prerogative also. However, before I became his property, Master made me a promise; and that was to never mistreat, or damage his property. I have faith in his word.

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Master certainly can do whatever he wants.... The onus is on said slave to choose the right Master for her. If she chooses poorly, she can always leave, no?

Some do retain that right within their relationship; however, when I became property, I took it very seriously. I gave up all rights, including the right to leave if I so choose.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 6:27:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kalira

I do fall into the category that Master, literally, can do anything with his property that he sees fit. And yes, if he feels like ignoring me, than that is his prerogative also. However, before I became his property, Master made me a promise; and that was to never mistreat, or damage his property. I have faith in his word.

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Master certainly can do whatever he wants.... The onus is on said slave to choose the right Master for her. If she chooses poorly, she can always leave, no?

Some do retain that right within their relationship; however, when I became property, I took it very seriously. I gave up all rights, including the right to leave if I so choose.

I fall into this category , too. I met my Master almost 3 years ago , he promised to take care of me and has done a very good job at it even when it seems I do not want it sometimes. He makes sure every need is met not only for me but sometimes even my grown children. I was used to when the going got rough my ex-husband of 11 years would leave me. My Master has does not do that.

The only exception we have in this category is that I can leave if I want but that would sever the relationship and I couldn't come back. I don't have any intentions of leaving him because I am totally commited to him.

This is a very interesting thread , Thanks for posting it!

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 6:38:38 AM

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I agree. Once I made that decision to submit, I became his property to do with as he wishes. Consequently, I didn't make that decision lightly, but only after watching, listening, and observing, and de. It isn't something I think much about anymore because he is generally more careful of me as his property than I might be on my own. Still, I have seen what I consider to be a disregard of slaves that is distressing to me - where there is actual physical or psychological injury.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 6:47:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

No question here just perpelexed. i have read several posts here and on some yahoo groups where the property just shrugs off any and all activities as "Master can do whatever He wants with His property" even when such activities are harmful or damaging.

I indeed will do what I want. However, It is not my intention, want or desire to harm or damage what is mine. Some could careless about the well-being of their property or a specific piece of property. For example, I am not so concerned about my pencil it is of little value to me. If I loose it or break it... well I will just get another one. However, I have great appreciation for the value of my house and make the effort to take care of it as best I can. My house is like a pencil when I compare the value of my girls.

This also doesn't mean that a person knows how to treat or care for their property. Having value for one's property and knowing how to care for it properly is two entirely different things. Usually they go hand in hand... but it is not uncommon that a person doesn't know things they should do to care for their property better. However, it is important to consider the owner's intent and motivation with regards to their property. Individuals with the intent and motivation of protecting and enhancing the value of their property will generally over time find what will achieve those things and are much less likely to diminish what they value.

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Years ago a good friend of mine bought a teak sailboat. After a day of sailing we spent a huge amount of time brushing down the deck with fresh water, making sure the boat was not docked without bumpers, folding each sail with care, coiling all ropes and lines, covering the sails, stowing the seat cushions etc. A lot of work. But my friend loved that boat and wanted it to be in perfect condition completely ready to sail. Of course it was his boat. He could have docked, shrugged and gone home and eventually the teak would have rotted, pitted from the saltwater, sails damaged, lines tangled and basically turn into a worthless vessel that would be unseaworthy. Yep, it was his property to do with as he wanted. It was obvious how much pride he took in that boat. When he eventually relocated from San Diego to Hawaii for his job he moved there by sailing all the way. The boat was ready and fit for a sea voyage. His slave, however, was not and he left her behind.

I read this paragraph and I see not just about Caring of Property... I see Value of property. Your friend left the slave behind... I have to wonder why? why did he value the slave less than the boat? Unlike a thing... a human person that is a slave can make choices that will enhance their value or diminish their value in the eyes of the owner. Just because Master says I own you... and i will value you... doesn't release the slave from valuing themselves and making choices that will maintain and/or enhance that value. Obviously, the slave's value in the eyes of the owner diminshed... so why did that occur? I would wonder what both failed to do... not just one.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 6:53:13 AM

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So...........the slave hadn't had the same attention and preparation for the journey?

Or she had, but she didn't see herself as *property* in quite the same way?

A person isn't like a boat or a car in most instances. A shift to different home, circumstance or location won't affect an inanimate object.....it's a limited analogy.

Even if a person is property and *shrugs off* actions with * he can do whatever he wants*, there WILL be feelings involved.

If *harmful or damaging* things took place in my relationship, there would be some kind of fall-out.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 7:01:21 AM

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as slave to my Owners every whim and desire when I gave my acceptence to live life however He said or showed, that was the last choice I had to make. If He had the need or desire to, as He is apt to do, work me over physically and mentally to relive the stress of his day so be it. That is the lot I have choosen. Some of us do not live by the credo SS and C, it just doesn't work for who we are. There really is no safe way to choke the hell outta someone till they pass out, and what about anything we do is sain?? come one by popular defination we would not fall into sain by any stretch lol and consensual..... the last consent I gave was to be His, the only way out is death or if He orders my release, which is highly unlikely. But that is what I agreed to. So long as the parties involved are fullfilled within themselves and their relationship why try to compare how we all manifest these feeling and freedoms.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 7:01:22 AM

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There is a difference between "can" and "should". A Master CAN do as they wish with their property, but SHOULD they? I can crash my car, but it's really not a good idea.

A slave always has one decision: to obey or not. If the slave does not obey, there are consqeuences. However, sometimes those consequences, even if it means the end of the collar, are worth it.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 7:04:44 AM

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I've noticed this, too, eyesopened -- in my opinion even one person claiming they can do whatever without consideration for the welfare and health of their slave/property is one person too many.

I don't know the people who make the claims or who share their stories so I can only go by what they say. It sadly reads to me that some people feel that the consensual human slave is worth less than a dog or a cat.

Those are people I have no desire to ever meet because given my streak of protectiveness I'm not sure how I'd react if such things came out of their mouths face-to-face.

I personally think I'd be a huge fool to treat my property poorly and to strip them of their adult abilities to manage their lives and make decisions. First, each is a unique individual and therefore if I damage them too much, I've lost that property -- purely from a selfish viewpoint that seems foolish. Second, I could get hit by a car tomorrow, heck, today, and I feel it is my ethical duty to die knowing that my slave can go on without me and lead a healthy life. Third, also pretty selfish, having someone capable and healthy means that I get better service.

In short I think a person that is treated poorly and without regard for their health and well-being becomes nothing -- why would anyone want to own nothing? Can one even own nothing?

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 7:16:07 AM

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quote:

It sadly reads to me that some people feel that the consensual human slave is worth less than a dog or a cat.

I think it is all about needs. Some *D*s need certain things to fullfill that part of their nature. Some are capable of being cruel, cold, and very calous. But yet they seem to find those that need that strong steely hand at the back of their neck. Like I have seem on these boards said many times, "For every fetish or kink their is someone out there to do and enjoy it with." It is just different, not right, nor wrong just their way. Just like anything else in this world, some dog owners have show dogs and other pit their bitch in the box and scratch.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 7:24:21 AM

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slaves as properties need different things to maintain. I for one, just need some one to listen to me ramble about whats upseting me. i also need alot of love. Give me those two things and i am as good as new. Master will often look at me all fuddled and whatever and say "you need a hug" He'll pull me onto his lap ask whats wrong and then love me and hug me and wala! Good as new.

There are other molecules of things i need, but those seem to be the main two. Other people have other things that they need to function well.

So really when it comes to care of property its all subjective. You cant say one Dom has no care - because maybe his methods are just different. We all care for things differently. My mother justs "gardens" I talk to the plants, apologize for cutting of their leaves, ask them to grow big and strong for me, ect ect. We care for the garden much different, but each in our own way

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 7:27:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BDSM05478

quote:

It sadly reads to me that some people feel that the consensual human slave is worth less than a dog or a cat.

I think it is all about needs. Some *D*s need certain things to fullfill that part of their nature. Some are capable of being cruel, cold, and very calous. But yet they seem to find those that need that strong steely hand at the back of their neck. Like I have seem on these boards said many times, "For every fetish or kink their is someone out there to do and enjoy it with." It is just different, not right, nor wrong just their way. Just like anything else in this world, some dog owners have show dogs and other pit their bitch in the box and scratch.

And people who abuse their animals can find themselves in jail or paying huge fines let alone becoming unwanted in most of society.

"Owners" who treat their human slaves/property without any regard for health or care to avoid damage should not be surprised if they face similar problems. These are the consequences for their decisions and actions; make new decisions if these consequences seem unfair or ignore them and cope with them as they happen.

Please note my concern here isn't for those who say the master can do anything and then add how careful they were to choose a good person or how good/caring that master is -- this is about the a-holes out there who really are abusive bastards using the language of BDSM (in my opinion) to cover their abuse.

Like my sister's ex-husband who was starting to learn the language of bdsm and trying to manipulate her into thinking his abuse was ok because "it's just SM, baby". Luckily she was finally able to think enough for herself to get out. Needless to say she has a very negative view of all BDSM and alternative sex now which of course sucks for our level of closeness.

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RE: Care of Property - 12/13/2006 7:35:13 AM

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Count me as one of those who understands the idea that for some, "Master/Mistress can do as they wish with their property" and likes it when I then hear that the dominant being talked about takes good care of his 'property'. If you have something valuable, though it be an animate, living, breathing object, shouldn't they be cared for just as precisely as you would care for your most priceless, inanimate bauble?

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There are those who say carelessly, "Ahhhhhhhh...they can be replaced." Can they? Maybe for some, they can. I know that when I look back over my life, I find quite a few relationships...casual and serious. While there are partners I was certainly glad to be rid of, they were not replaced...someone new that was a fit came along. Replacement sounds like you just go out and get the same model or better. That might be possible with inanimate objects but I have yet to find it possible with humans. You live and learn and hope you pick better each time but in the long run and realistically speaking, we are all human beneath the submissive/slave and dominant/master and that humanity makes for some degree...no matter how slight...of unpredictability.

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