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Voltare -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 5:10:13 AM)

I strongly advise against petdave's advice.  The risk of electroshock sufficiant to kill your partner is far too high.  Those two 'wires' on whichever grid could very will just be the AC power lines - up there with cutting the wires off an electric plug and 'zapping' someone with it.




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 5:26:35 AM)

Ok so this has my interest =D  

In my experience, if you're looking for something with a less-than-violet-wand price tag, I would recommend the dreaded "electric bug zapper racket" which cost about $10 - $15 (I got mine at a Hallmark shop - love that).   While a little awkwardly shaped for CBT because of the squash racket shape, they deliver a fairly mild and harmless but still attention-getting zap. They're more available during the summer months because they are designed to kill bugs, but I did a quick search on ebay and found a couple available.

I've also seen dog shock training collars used fairly frequently and have not heard anyone argue about their safety.  They're a little more pricey, usually in the $50 to $100 range, but the shock level is adjustable.   Oddly enough, I think they're entirely too cruel to use on a dog, but amuse me to no end to use on a sub.  You might want to get a small dog size for torturing his puppies with.

Regarding the stun gun - I've never seen one used (doesn't mean no one's doing it - I just haven't seen it).   I also haven't heard much discussion on using them - as such, I'd be very cautious about proceeding with that venue.

As with any edgey play, do your safety research on electric play before you start hitting the ZAP button.




Driver1961 -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 5:57:22 AM)

He enters, dips His lid to all;

Here in Victoria, Australia, our police have very recently been given approval for Tasers or similar.  We had articles on our T.V. news about their introduction and allaying the fear of death through their use upon 'suitable people'.    The articles showed various policemen doing the customary Dom thing of 'trying it out first'. 

I have spoken with one of the participants.  He was unaware of the actual voltage etc but states that he was incapacited for some 5-8 seconds where he collapsed without muscle control (Damm I should have asked if he was advised to pee beforehand!) 

There are obviously numerous safeguards to be navigated before use. How many people actually get thorough physicals to know their 'natural' pacemaker is functioning correctly?  I'm not interested in going there with the fear of ramifications so prefer to stick with my 'joke' electric shock pen.  This is fantastic to use sparingly (medical checkup b4hand) on a blindfolded pain slut.  My 'Precious' slid into further orgasm when applied to her clit- she was expecting my tongue!

Interesting thread here though...

Warm regards to all

Driver1961. Sir to His loving Wildchild.





mistoferin -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 6:05:12 AM)

Food for thought......

I just grabbed the first links....there were hundreds more....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-17-tasers-usat_x.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/09/eveningnews/main672709.shtml

http://www.alternet.org/rights/44455/

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr200022004

http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/131551.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/05/tech/main1096958.shtml

http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/10577http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr510302006




MstrssPassion -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 7:46:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass


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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

the pain receptors in your arm is no comparison to that of a boys jewels

hold the thing to your clit & get back to us

(still not the same but at least you'll get a better idea)


Hello??? That's WHY I'm asking. I have no idea what voltage this thing was that I felt a few weeks ago. No way to find out, it was totally in passing at an event. If someone who has played with them before could recommend which voltage to go with it would be much appreciated. But obviously you'd rather reitterate my own ignorance which I have previously professed.


As cynical as you may have found my reply to be... it was an honest reply with a suggestion of how to become educated about certain toys. I didn't realize I was posting a reply to someone who was so sensitive.(your name implies a whimsical trait)

My reply was the best reply that I could offer anyone with questions about new toys & techniques...try it on yourself first & see how it goes. If someone wants to find out about wax play, fire play, electro or stingy floggers vs thuddy ones & so many other things... use your own extremities. I assure you that you will learn far more this way than any number of questions you could ask on a board.

If you want cheap then go for the bug zapper idea. (( I did a search on hand held big zapper & they are very cheap. Buy a couple & give one away as a stocking stuffer to a kinky friend)) I know plenty of people who have them but not many use them as a serious toy. Its more like a 'funny ha-ha' thing to pull out & catch someone off guard with. I would also suggest you look into a tens unit. I'm sure you can find one for well under $100. These seems to be the cheapest & most effective items for the type of play you describe. I've had mine for about 15 yrs years. With a tens unit you get the sensation exactly where you want it & with the proper electrodes, no amount of wiggling will set them free.

If you do find the level of amusement & mutual enjoyment from these items eventually you will see the investment of a few hundred dollars as nothing compared to the years of enjoyment of these items. With proper handling they will last a lifetime.





Voltare -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 1:00:04 PM)

I almost forgot - don't do anything electrical with someone with heart problems, prone to seizures, or other health problems.  In fact, don't do it at all.  If you do, the risk's on you.




Rumtiger -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 2:23:59 PM)

My simple opinion is this:

Weapons/Self defense tools, are not toys of any kind.

Its a very bad idea, by following this train of thought why dont you just use mace or pepper spray?




petdave -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 6:50:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Voltare

I strongly advise against petdave's advice.  The risk of electroshock sufficiant to kill your partner is far too high.  Those two 'wires' on whichever grid could very will just be the AC power lines - up there with cutting the wires off an electric plug and 'zapping' someone with it.


Sorry, to clarify, i was not talking about the "bug zappers" that run off mains power, i was referring to the hand-held "electric fly swatters" that run off of batteries. They use a 9v battery to charge a capacitor that delivers the jolt. i am by no means recommending that anyone re-wire 110 or 220VAC appliances for BDSM play unless they know very well what they're doing!

Also, a brief addition to my notes on modifying one- if you run the lead wires out quite close to each other (1/2" or less apart), and use it on skin that is sweaty, or misted with salt water from a spray bottle, they will deliver a quite noticeable shock at full power. They're not going to drop a mugger in his tracks, but you'll get at least a yelp out of most guys when they take one in the sac [:)]

...dave




MasterEndeavor -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 8:40:02 PM)

hahaha! Damn dave! More fuel to the fire! Even tho I am het and highly sadistic, I'm kinda gettin' worried about this boys poor "sac"! A lot of mental energy going into just exactly how to f^ck them up!

And a note to Mistress. After all this discussion, save the 30 bucks and just kick the boy in the nuts! lol




Voltare -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 9:29:40 PM)

Ah, yeah in that case, dave's advice is pretty good.

See, the deal with these 'shockers' are they're like a stun baton.  They run a charge from one prong to the other, and only pass through a very small section of the skin.  The risky behavior comes from using either very powerful devices (think AC power BAD, car batteries BAD) or devices that pass strong current from limb to limb (through the heart) or any sort of electrical charge delivered above the neck.




DominaSmartass -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 10:30:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: petdave
If you want to get into electrical play very cheaply, get an electric fly swatter for $9.99 or so. Disassemble it, and take just the handle part of it. It should have two wires connecting to the grid. Cut off the grid and throw it away, and affix the two wires so that they're sticking out of the handle just an inch or so apart. Use that as a stun gun. It's much more controllable than the whole racquet in terms of stimulation delivered, and gives a satisfying *snap* and blue spark in a dark room. IMX, it will also leave small burn marks on the bottom- a whole galaxy of them if you're persistent.



Thanks dave! I have seen the electric fly swatters but always thought I'd feel silly using one on someone...unless we were doing a "bug play" scene. Just one question though: will it leave the same burn marks on other parts besides one's ass?




Voltare -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/15/2006 2:37:26 AM)

Just a suggestion, it wouldn't hurt to 'test' electrical devices on a chicken breast.  If there's enough juice to do any real damage, better to burn the chicken's breasts than my lil girl's.




SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/15/2006 2:39:32 AM)

Always good to see your submissive go into cardiac arrest as the impulse interfered with the heart....NOT!

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DominaSmartass -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/15/2006 12:09:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass


quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

the pain receptors in your arm is no comparison to that of a boys jewels

hold the thing to your clit & get back to us

(still not the same but at least you'll get a better idea)


Hello??? That's WHY I'm asking. I have no idea what voltage this thing was that I felt a few weeks ago. No way to find out, it was totally in passing at an event. If someone who has played with them before could recommend which voltage to go with it would be much appreciated. But obviously you'd rather reitterate my own ignorance which I have previously professed.


As cynical as you may have found my reply to be... it was an honest reply with a suggestion of how to become educated about certain toys. I didn't realize I was posting a reply to someone who was so sensitive.(your name implies a whimsical trait)


I didn't see your response as cynical, in fact I would have laughed at it normally, but one of my biggest pet peeves is when I feel like someone has responded (especially in a sarcastic way) without actually "getting" the question. See, I wasn't asking anyone to tell me what voltage the stun gun I tried out was. Nor was I implying that the one I felt on my arm was in any way similar to the sensation my boy would feel.

quote:


My reply was the best reply that I could offer anyone with questions about new toys & techniques...try it on yourself first & see how it goes. If someone wants to find out about wax play, fire play, electro or stingy floggers vs thuddy ones & so many other things... use your own extremities. I assure you that you will learn far more this way than any number of questions you could ask on a board.


I totally agree, and I do try everything on myself cause I want to know what it feels like. Hell, most of the time I like the sensation too. Yet trying stun guns before I buy them is not an option unless I am back at another even where vendors have them. For buying them online, I think that asking other people who have used them to give input is perfectly reasonable. Again, it goes back to expecting people to read my original question and see what I was asking, as opposed to throwing back a response that doesn't even answer the question. That is the reason for my bitchy reply, not because I was being over sensitive.

quote:


If you do find the level of amusement & mutual enjoyment from these items eventually you will see the investment of a few hundred dollars as nothing compared to the years of enjoyment of these items. With proper handling they will last a lifetime.


I know that expensive things are well worth it, it's just literally a matter of not having the money. Unless I don't want to pay rent next month.




dittosabrina -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/16/2006 8:30:37 AM)

eBay may not be the best place to purchase an item like this.
Since you're uncertain what you want, you'd do better to pay the
extra money and deal with a reputable company with a strong exchange and refund policy.   Google "PayPal Sucks" to get some idea of what I'm talking about.

(eBay owns PayPal)




pixelslave -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/16/2006 4:13:49 PM)

I tried to reply to this yesterday when CM stunned me by zapping my response, so I'll give it another try. [&:]

For the kind of play you've described, I highly recommend you begin with a remote controlled dog training unit.  They usually come attached to a collar from which they can easily be removed and reattached to the CB strap of your choice.  They've been around for quite some time and I've never heard of anyone being seriously injured from their use while one was strapped to their genitals. [:)]

Stun guns are another matter as they are still an issue of controversy, not just the Tasers, but in general.  And what happens if you miss his genitals and hit him at close range in the chest?  Perhaps he might be covered with sweat from your play (sweat will dramatically change the way electricity is conducted across his skin and into his body), and lets say he also has some unknown problem with his heart.  Are you willing to take that risk?  I'd suggest it might be unwise until others have proven these devices safe for the kind of use that you intend. [8|]

With the remote dog training devices, they usually come with several levels of intensity which you can use to zap your sub.  Depending on how much you choose to spend, they can have a range of control over your sub from 25 yards away to well over 100 yards or more.  Many Mistresses use them as a means to call their subs to come and serve them when they are wanted for any task.  They start on the lowest setting and if the sub doesn't respond in a timely manner, increase the setting to the next one (and so forth), to let him know of their displeasure and add to his urgency to satisfy her prompt to attend her desires.

The unit which I have is made by Innotek, has 3 intensity settings, and is rechargable.  The remote control is very discreet,  about 1" x 1" in size, and looks similar to a remote entry key for an automobile.  The devices can easily be worn under street clothes for discreet public play, such as for shopping trips, dining out, or a party with friends.  You can enjoy watching the reaction on your sub's face when you zap him at the most inconvenient of times.  At the lowest setting he may only wince, but what if he's carrying a full plate of food or a drink at the same time? [:D]  Needless to say, it can make for some interesting play for both Mistress and sub; whether in private or public.  The uses and variations on play with these devices are countless and limited only by your imagination.

In my experience I can tell you that on the lowest power setting, when the probes are placed at the base my penis, I find the sensation somewhere between pleasantly arousing and pleasantly painful, depending on my mood and the quality of the contact between my skin and the probes at the time the sensation is delivered.  On Medium, its a lot more intense.  In a sub mindset it can still be pleasurable, but more likely it will be more toward the unpleasant.  On High, it can stop me in my tracks.  I've heard from other subs that it can double them over and render them immoble, so I guess its an individual thing.  I'll also say that if the strap is rotated so that the prongs on the device make contact with the bottom of my scrotum (along the perineum), even on Low, I can barely tolerate the sensation and find it extremely unpleasant.  Once again the possibilities with this kind of device are unlimited. [8D]

You can purchase these units at nearly any pet store here in the states.  I've even seen them at Walmart and Target.  They can also often be found at better prices on the internet if you're a savvy shopper and know what you're purchasing and are comfortable that the vendor is legit.  As a caution, I'm not talking about a bark control device collar, but instead, a field dog training control device collar.  There's a big difference between the two and you'll see both in the same section of the the store.

If you later wish to move on to more intense and prolonged/continuous electrical sensation play, I'd agree that the next step up is a TENS unit when considering all the various specialized attachments which can be purchased for play as well as the programmability that the more advanced TENS units have built into them.  Regardless of what you do, unless you consider yourself an expert in electrical play (I have a degree in engineering and know all the equations, yet do not consider myself anything more than an "ex-spurt" in this kind of play), I'd highly recommend you avoid anything to do with electrical stun guns as at this point in time even the real experts seem to disagree as to whether they are safe for their actual intended use, let alone the kind of play you are looking to use one for.

- pixel




Petruchio -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/16/2006 11:23:22 PM)

The bottom line is to avoid stun guns unless you are intent on blowing off his testicles (only a slight exaggeration). Use a glow wand if you're nice but I suppose if you happen to have a nasty streak you can work out any male hatred with a cattle prod.

Those who mentioned 'testing' stun guns on their arms were probably using low-power toys for the low-end of the consumer market. Here in Orange County, we have had a shocking number of deaths from stun guns. Google if you want more information.




DominaSmartass -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/17/2006 10:04:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

For the kind of play you've described, I highly recommend you begin with a remote controlled dog training unit.  They usually come attached to a collar from which they can easily be removed and reattached to the CB strap of your choice.  They've been around for quite some time and I've never heard of anyone being seriously injured from their use while one was strapped to their genitals. [:)]


Thanks! From your discription of the shock collar/cockring, I definitely want one. I have to see how expensive they are. Guess I can always save up.




Voltare -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/17/2006 10:19:43 PM)

Real quick, not all 'stun' guns are the type you described, pixle.  The mini stun guns are really little more than a small, hand-held 'gun' with two prongs sticking out.  They don't shoot out, and are used by physically pressing the entire unit against the persons body.  Even if used directly over the heart, the amount of flesh being 'electrocuted' is really very small (i.e. only a few square inches) and superficial (near the gun itself.)  The risk of passing charge through the heart comes when two electrodes (say from a tens unit) is placed opposite sides of the body, passing through the heart, i.e. on the sides of both shoulders, or on the left chest and the left side of one's back, using a high Amp charge.

The bottom line, if you put it on your inner leg and it only gives a mild buzz, it's probably safe to use - at least in short bursts.  Clearly, some men enjoy the excruciating pain of having their balls mashed by a woman wearing heels - I don't see an inexpensive mini-stun gun being more painful.  Used on the genitals in brief (no more than 1-2 seconds at a time) bursts, I can't see there being any real threat.  Prolonged exposure could do some real damage, mind you (testicles don't handle overheating well.)




pixelslave -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/18/2006 9:05:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass


quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave

For the kind of play you've described, I highly recommend you begin with a remote controlled dog training unit.  They usually come attached to a collar from which they can easily be removed and reattached to the CB strap of your choice.  They've been around for quite some time and I've never heard of anyone being seriously injured from their use while one was strapped to their genitals. [:)]


Thanks! From your discription of the shock collar/cockring, I definitely want one. I have to see how expensive they are. Guess I can always save up.


I've not stayed current (no pun intended) on pricing.  But they used to start in the $70 range as of 6 or so years ago.  I'd expect them to be much less expensive now.  The model I have, we got on sale for about $80 to $90 at that time, but it retailed for about $120 as near as I can recall.  I also know they were starting to make them much more compact as well.

It was well worth the investment is all I can say as its been a lot of fun. [8D]

- pixel




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