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aSlavesLife -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/14/2006 4:33:15 PM)
I think that there is quite a difference between a profile that says " I am seeking a stern but non-sadistic man close to my own age, long hair a plus. " and one that says " Do not waste my time if you are not between the ages of 30-31. Must have crew cut brown hair & green eyes, be a snappy dresser, earn over 80k a month, and drive a BMW. " The first gives a sense of flexibility while the second may as well demand that he be named Viktor and get a pedicure every Thursday. Maybe you can consider the latter a slave or sub, but I doubt that you would ever be able to convince me that the person is.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/14/2006 4:38:51 PM)
An unowned person has every right to demand what they want. If it's not negotiable that they're not between 30-31. Must have crew cut brown hair & green eyes, be a snappy dresser, earn over 80k a month, and drive a BMW. " thats their right to demand. Of course they might be waiting a miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighty long time for what they are looking for.

Ocean1 -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/14/2006 5:54:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amlonging I was reading another forum board and this sentence spoke up big time.... "Not really sure what slave does not put their Owners gratifications of any nature above their own. If the slave enjoys the situation at the same time..then it's a bonus." I have read many submissives and esp slave profiles that read... "I want...." "I need..." and go on with a list of things they demand. Since when does a slave do this? /me throws in two cents I am venturing to guess, the reasoning behind appearing to "demand" qualities/actions/rights/whatever, amlonging, is through lack of communication between the persons involved, from the very start of a potential relationship. This happens on both sides of the D/s / M/s sides of the coin. This lack of communication leads to quick hookups with "expectations" that were misleading and unable to to be met by th other person involved. Basically, justifiable ignorance leading to less-than-desirable judgment calls (this is no excuse, yet, rampant on and off the internet). In the end, to weed out out the less desirables, lists are made and hopefully the right person will see the profile, and respond to it. There is something to be said about word structure of a profile. Anyone, given time/knowledge/desire, can make the best profile in the world (for them) and in it can be their "demands" disguised as requests, possibly. There are times I would have changed my beliefs/kinks/morals to just be able to communicate with that particular person. Enough rambling. Thanks for reading this, amlonging. Have a great day. Ocean.

adaddysgirl -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 3:59:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SlaveAkasha I agree once someone is owned, the "game" changes..but it seems the OP is talking about peoples profiles. No one is owned by anyone yet, so they can want, need, or demand what they want. If you belong to someone, it's a totally different story. (or perhaps not, depending on the dynamic) Kasha For what it's worth, i agree Kasha [&:] DG

Celeste43 -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 6:01:19 AM)
What kind of slaves have demands in their profiles? Intelligent ones who want to make damn sure they don't get into a relationship where they will not be fulfilled nor with someone whom they are not compatible with.

Wildfleurs -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 11:35:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amlonging I was reading another forum board and this sentence spoke up big time.... "Not really sure what slave does not put their Owners gratifications of any nature above their own. If the slave enjoys the situation at the same time..then it's a bonus." I have read many submissives and esp slave profiles that read... "I want...." "I need..." and go on with a list of things they demand. Since when does a slave do this? I haven't read the thread but my guess is that you are talking about single people's profiles that state what they need and want (most people if they are not looking or coupled don't have to have a profile delineating what they want - regardless of the dynamic) Personally I don't think a single person can be a slave so that pretty much ends the mystery for me right there and I also think its very important for a single person (again regardless of the dynamic they are looking for) to know themselves well enough that they can articulate their needs and desires. Even if those needs and desires shift or become less of a priority when they are in a relationship I think its important to have some sort of beginning point. C~

MagiksSlave -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 4:23:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 everyone has needs and wants, even slaves, that's only natural. however "demands" are something else entirely, and no i would not call that a submissive quality much less a quality found in a potential slave. there are some who just find their kink/turn-on in having the title of slave, but it's truly not who they are. these are the types who may have a list a mile long of demands and hoops that any potential Master must first jump through before being allowed the privilege of their attentions. these people are not submissives, will never be slaves, and are basically just playing games. Ok I have had it with your holier then thou attitude... you want everyone to accept you rather insane outlook on slavery and life yet you go out of your way to make people that dont agree with you feel as if they arent good enough to be a slave... I AM a slave and Im proud to be that i didnt just take the title I EARNED it. Just because I can think for myself and have my own brain doesnt make me less of a slave then you... makes me a different slave then you but no less of one. You seem to forget or perhaps you just dont care that slave or not we are still people. I have tried beeing nice and understanding to you but it seems I have extended a curtasy here that you refuse to so I will no longer pull my punches. You seem to think Im not worthy of the title slave well hon I think you need a check up from the neck up!!! Magik's SLAVE

Serenityy -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 5:15:35 PM)
For many, the word slave works on a 'sliding' definition; meaning that different definitions can be attributed until a person finds the one that works best for them. I know many Dominants and Master's alike who prefer that a potential slave state right up front what it is that they want and need from a relationship. I would assume that for them, it gives them an idea of whether or not the other person will be flexible once in a relationship. I find nothing wrong with this; in fact, I find it to be a healthy and realistic outlook.

kyraofMists -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 5:21:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 everyone has needs and wants, even slaves, that's only natural. however "demands" are something else entirely, and no i would not call that a submissive quality much less a quality found in a potential slave. there are some who just find their kink/turn-on in having the title of slave, but it's truly not who they are. these are the types who may have a list a mile long of demands and hoops that any potential Master must first jump through before being allowed the privilege of their attentions. these people are not submissives, will never be slaves, and are basically just playing games. Ok I have had it with your holier then thou attitude... you want everyone to accept you rather insane outlook on slavery and life yet you go out of your way to make people that dont agree with you feel as if they arent good enough to be a slave... I AM a slave and Im proud to be that i didnt just take the title I EARNED it. Just because I can think for myself and have my own brain doesnt make me less of a slave then you... makes me a different slave then you but no less of one. You seem to forget or perhaps you just dont care that slave or not we are still people. I have tried beeing nice and understanding to you but it seems I have extended a curtasy here that you refuse to so I will no longer pull my punches. You seem to think Im not worthy of the title slave well hon I think you need a check up from the neck up!!! Magik's SLAVE Maybe you should try the block feature if you are going to take things said on a message board so personally. I can't see where daddysprop was talking to you or about you and yet you make an assumption that she is and then call her insane. Knight's kyra

kyraofMists -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 5:30:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amlonging I have read many submissives and esp slave profiles that read... "I want...." "I need..." and go on with a list of things they demand. Since when does a slave do this? I do not think that saying "I want" and "I need" is the same thing as a "list of demands". To me they are very different. Before becoming my Lord's slave I was very clear about what I wanted and what my needs were. For me, it was the best way to find a relationship that fulfilled me. Even today, I am still clear about what my wants and needs are. He demands that of me. He is not a mind reader and he cannot fulfill my wants and needs if he does not know what they are. He also views my expression of my wants as a way of transfering authority to him. If I keep my wants and desires to myself, then he will not get the opportunity to exercise his authority to fulfill them or not. When I keep them to myself, I retain the authority over them because I make the decision that they will not be fulfilled. When I express what I want, he now has the authority to give it or not. The more he knows about me, my wants and desires, the more authority he has over my life. Knight's kyra

justheather -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 5:39:24 PM)
FR: Since when does a slave... If it works for the parties involved, what difference does it make? The major reason I do not purport to hold the elusive List of Traits that Define a Slave is because there is not one. I most certainly wouldnt walk into the living room of another family and explain to them that they aren't "really parents" in that household because they don't parent my way. As far as Im concerned, what happens in other peoples' healthy relationships, if its working for them, is all good. Just sayin.

daddysprop247 -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 5:39:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave Ok I have had it with your holier then thou attitude... you want everyone to accept you rather insane outlook on slavery and life yet you go out of your way to make people that dont agree with you feel as if they arent good enough to be a slave... I AM a slave and Im proud to be that i didnt just take the title I EARNED it. Just because I can think for myself and have my own brain doesnt make me less of a slave then you... makes me a different slave then you but no less of one. You seem to forget or perhaps you just dont care that slave or not we are still people. I have tried beeing nice and understanding to you but it seems I have extended a curtasy here that you refuse to so I will no longer pull my punches. You seem to think Im not worthy of the title slave well hon I think you need a check up from the neck up!!! Magik's SLAVE um...huh?? let me assure you, you were the last person on my mind when i made my post. if i offended you by stating my honest opinion about certain kinds of people, then i'm sorry, but every one of us is here (supposedly) to share with others are honest opinions/feelings/experiences. i do not have a "holier than thou" attitude, quite the contrary actually, i am often humbled and awed by reading of the experiences and growth achieved by other slaves on the board...it reminds me of just how far i still have to go. but that is neither here nor there... for some reason i'll probably never understand, you seem to have some sort of personal issue with me, or perhaps it's just the lifestyle i represent, whatever. and therefore i often see this sort of anger and venom from you in response to my posts, which are rarely directed at you. as for you trying to be nice and extending a "curtasy", i have never seen anything of the sort. perhaps you could do as kyra so wisely suggested, and utilize the block feature. walking away smiling and scratching head in utter confusion

ownedgirlie -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 7:28:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists He also views my expression of my wants as a way of transfering authority to him. If I keep my wants and desires to myself, then he will not get the opportunity to exercise his authority to fulfill them or not. When I keep them to myself, I retain the authority over them because I make the decision that they will not be fulfilled. When I express what I want, he now has the authority to give it or not. The more he knows about me, my wants and desires, the more authority he has over my life. This was really well put! Similarly to me, just because a desire is expressed does not mean it will be met (it took me awhile to really get that, however, lol). But by not expressing it, I am taking control/authority back, and in doing that, I am potentially damaging the dynamic. But I think this is different than some of the profiles I have seen, which are quite demanding in nature, complete with Caps, bolded and italized fonts, and lots of exclamation points. I can see my Master looking at those thinking, "Yeah okay whatever - next!" It's all in how you present it. And before anybody gets upset about that, I am speaking generically and not with anyone in particular in mind.

mnottertail -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 7:33:37 PM)
Walk into my living room with that little grey shit on and you aint gonna be able to talk to nobody, slick....busy little girl and you can quote me. Ron

theRose4U -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 7:40:11 PM)
quote: before anybody gets upset about that, I am speaking generically and not with anyone in particular in mind. LOL you know it wouldn't be WIITWD without someone getting their panties in a twist over something.

Hisslavedesires -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 7:44:21 PM)
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amlonging -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 7:49:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 everyone has needs and wants, even slaves, that's only natural. however "demands" are something else entirely, and no i would not call that a submissive quality much less a quality found in a potential slave. there are some who just find their kink/turn-on in having the title of slave, but it's truly not who they are. these are the types who may have a list a mile long of demands and hoops that any potential Master must first jump through before being allowed the privilege of their attentions. these people are not submissives, will never be slaves, and are basically just playing games. Ok I have had it with your holier then thou attitude... you want everyone to accept you rather insane outlook on slavery and life yet you go out of your way to make people that dont agree with you feel as if they arent good enough to be a slave... I AM a slave and Im proud to be that i didnt just take the title I EARNED it. Just because I can think for myself and have my own brain doesnt make me less of a slave then you... makes me a different slave then you but no less of one. You seem to forget or perhaps you just dont care that slave or not we are still people. I have tried beeing nice and understanding to you but it seems I have extended a curtasy here that you refuse to so I will no longer pull my punches. You seem to think Im not worthy of the title slave well hon I think you need a check up from the neck up!!! Magik's SLAVE OMG...I didnt start this thread for folk to sling mud.... everyone has an opinion that is equally valid and no one is better than anyone esle. Period. Thank you [;)]

mnottertail -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 8:00:42 PM)
OK, I can see it from here, this is no time to bring up the 'blowjob' issue, is it? Adlai Stevenson

bandit25 -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 8:03:37 PM)
Nah...go ahead, just make sure it's a blow job from a fat sub/slave.

mnottertail -> RE: a slave and the Owner's gratifications (12/15/2006 8:05:51 PM)
what you weigh, baby? You a little thick in the corners? Ron

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