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RE: Legalize Street Drugs? - 12/17/2006 11:26:52 AM

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Because any individual has had difficulties. Because you may live in an area where people with problems tend to congregate, to try, as you see it to help, you wish to maintain restrictions on those who do not have problems. I believe this approach to social deviance is wrong and doomed to failure. This can be seen quite clearly in the anti drug statutes, which have resulted in world wide criminal cartels associated with high levels of murder and general mayhem. ie this cure is worse than the disease.

Use of mind altering substances goes back into the dim mists of time, the major negative organised criminal consequences have only come about, as far as I know, since the rise of a State Welfare approach to social governance.

At the time when peoples lives really were desperate and poverty stricken, say the 18th/19th century in the UK as an example, then while it is true that such lives were " nasty brutal and short" at least as far as I know criminal gangs did not exist supplying the need of the desperate. Gin was easily available. see that sketch Gin Lane by Hogarth.
Things were improved by reformers trying to run marginally and then very much more just economic societies.

The failure of welfare methods can be seen in the number of young girls producing offspring that it is totally impossible for them to support, certainly financially and probably emotionally.
Youths running wild on inner city estates making life difficult for everyone in their path.or restricting drug availablity to those who could handle it because some cant. The most obvious example here was prohibition in the US.

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RE: Legalize Street Drugs? - 12/17/2006 12:04:56 PM

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In fact whether people obey the law really depends on the attitudes that they have been taught during the crucial formative years

Absolutely not true and i'm living proof. My mother was a Fed, my brother is about to become a Fed, and my father was all up in some chit in the military. God knows what it was, because he couldnt talk about it. My parents are very law abiding. I was taught to trust the police!

i think my parents never really knew the police. Imagine the poor shock to my mother when she for the first time in her life witness 2 police officers lie on the stand.

Imagine my poor mother whose never done a drug in her life and barely drinks - stumbled upon her 16 y/o syringes. Poor thing. Imagine her dismay when the hong kong police wanted to arrest her daughter for drugs - and my mother's job is to arrest people for drug trafficking.

Drug use has nothing to do about where you come from, how you were raised or what you were taught in your formlative years. Nor does it have anything to do with your back ground or what station in life in life you come from.

And if this doesnt help - please explain why the US Embassy Gaurds in Hong Kong used to party with me up in my apt and get stoned (amoung other things)??

Aye and i'm with Jewel on this.. its a pointless topic.

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RE: Legalize Street Drugs? - 12/17/2006 1:45:11 PM

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Riotgirl said.... I think my parents never really knew the police. Imagine the poor shock to my mother when she for the first time in her life witness 2 police officers lie on the stand.
I say....Was this before or after the Rodney King trial ?

The attitudes that children pick up are NOT ONLY dependant on the type of employment of the parents or guardians. For many, some form of teenage rebellion is a normal part of the passage into adulthood. Its when the behaviour patterns become self destructive that you can suspect a family relationship breakdown or failure.

Funnily enough I actually believe such "wrecks" do need help. Criminalising drug taking wont do it !

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RE: Legalize Street Drugs? - 12/19/2006 12:59:58 PM

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This is just a general response to the thread.
I have noticed some reluctance among some to legalize all drugs. Meth and crack being among the most hit upon.
It is a fact that cocain was made illegal about four microseconds after the drug companies synthesized methamphtemine.
It is a fact that crack is an inexpensive derivative of cocaine. These two drugs are addictive (not as addictive as alcohol or nicotine).
Cocaine is not addictive nor does it have an LD 50.
My best guess is that if it were all legal and competitively priced the demand for meth and crack would pretty much dissapear...who is going to drink ripple when LaFiet Rothschild* is the same price?
For those who are so subdued by any drug as to be unable to support themselves or contribute to society I say "so what" they are such a very tiny portion of a percentage point as to be statistically unnoticible. Put them on the dole and give them a comfortable place to finish out their lives (much cheaper than incarcerating them over and over again). What I suspect will happen though is that those who depend on crack or meth will switch to cocaine, a drug that is neither addicting nor debilitating. I would like to stress however that I am not talking about cocaine that has been adulterated with any substance whatsoever. The authorities like to blame so many deaths on "drug overdoses" when in fact the deaths are caused by overdoses of the adulterant.
If one were to look in the PDR they would find no LD50 for heroin,cocaine or marijuana.
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RE: Legalize Street Drugs? - 12/19/2006 3:30:34 PM

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Cocaine is not addictive nor does it have an LD 50.

Where are you getting that cocaine is not addictive? I just looked up cocaine addiction, and they all said the same thing. That is was addictive and plainly described why.

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RE: Legalize Street Drugs? - 12/19/2006 5:17:31 PM

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Cocaine is not addictive nor does it have an LD 50.

Where are you getting that cocaine is not addictive? I just looked up cocaine addiction, and they all said the same thing. That is was addictive and plainly described why.

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Please do not confuse physical addiction with psychological addiction. If you check the pharmacopia or the PDR you will not find a caution about physical addiction.
Psychological addiction to cocaine is a lot like being addicted to sex or sports not a chemical dependancy like alcohol, nicotine, heroin, methamphetemine or barbituates.
There are many medical terms that are missused in the common language and vis-versa many common language phrases used in a medical sense ie: partial birth abortion...no such thing in the medical dictionary but it cannotes an immage that some find useful in their arguements.
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