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I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President... - 12/18/2006 4:36:49 AM   
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Is America ready for a female President?

Is America ready for a black Vice President?

I voted for a female running for Vice President before so the concept is not a forien one for Me.

Can you name who she was and her senior running mate?

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 6:11:42 AM   
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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 7:33:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		     The concept of a woman or minority in the Presidential chair doe not bother me one wit PROVIDED they convince me they have what it takes to sit in that important chair.  The country is full of CEOs, College Professors, and others who have studied the issues far more than the average Joe.
   I have not made up my mind about Obama, but 4 more days of a Clinton in the White House is 8 more days than the country can withstand.
   We (as a country) were fools to elect either Bush or Clinton.  It's been way too long since we had a competent President in that most important chair.  It would be nice to elect something more than a pretty face.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 8:50:58 AM   
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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 9:02:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I might vote for her, but need to know more. Frankly, I think that even if she runs (which sounds likely) that Barack Obama has her beat in the charisma department and he would win over her (and not because he's a man). I do like Hillary. I just am not sure she'll win. I have no objection (at all) to a female President, though.

I am not sure America as a whole, is ready for a female President (even though that makes no logical sense to me, and think they should be, I don't see it happening in the next election. But who really knows?) I think they are ready for a black (male)VP (or even a black male President) - and I think Barack Obama is perfect for the job. I really, really like him a lot.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 11:07:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why is everyone going on about Obama being black? He's human and American.

From all accounts he is a good man and if Sean Hannity hates him, that's a damn good reason to consider him.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 11:13:06 AM   
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any person the dems put out will be labled a liberal.

08 there will be a shift - I can guarantee u that.  a shift center or left.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 11:16:47 AM   
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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 3:30:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		The idea of male/female or black/white is a specious arguement.  I dont care if the next President is a purple, transgendered, Libertarian IF they are the right person for the job.  The Idea of black/white pisses me off to the max.  One of the most qualified candidates that the Republican party had available was Colin Powell... what cost him a possible run for the Presidency?  What cost him was the Democratic smear campaign carried out that he was just an "Uncle Tom".  Forget black/white.... find good people.

Obviously the Hillary fans have forgotten her attempt at forcing an incredibly expensive and foolish health care plan on the USA.  She was not elected, but just had to try to force her agenda on people.  That agenda has not changed, she just learned the lesson from Bill that you need to pretend you are nearer the center, then screw everyone if you get elected.

The love affair with Barak Obama is absurd.  He is obviously well read and charasmatic... but so was Adolph Hitler.  What hasnt been spoken in the press is his waaaay left wing voting record.  He is a chameleon that talks like a moderate and votes like a socialist.  In addition, he has TWO years in a national office.  Why would anyone trust their country to someone with no history in office, very limited knowledge of foreign affairs, and a smooth tongue for a credential? 

If I could choose a candidate to go against the "dream team" of Hillary and anyone, Obama included, it wou;ld be Rudy Guillianni and anyone they wanted to put with him.  Here is a man with a history of handling a difficult city, a disaster unlike any we have seen in America since the Civil War, and experience in National and International relations. 

Personal opinion, I hope that Hillary and Obama ARE the candidates for the Democrats.  Hillary needs a reality check that a last name and being a "pal" to the high dollar money people do not create a President.   Obama needs an object lesson that being worshipped by a liberal press isnt the end all be all for a political career.  Hillary and Barak will make Michael Dukakis and Geraldine Ferraro, Eugene McCarthy, and even Bob Dole, look like they lost close elections.  

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 3:49:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that the Obama love affair has gotten to be a bit much.  I think he is without a doubt a legitimate candidate to be President, but not in the next election.  He has less than 2 years of experience in the Senate for crying out loud and is only 45 years old (or so).  We need a leader with more experience than that.  Jumping from the legislative branch to the executive is not exactly the easiest, and we need someone who has been in politics far longer (i don't count his state Senate 7 years).  In 2012 i think he would make a wonderful candidate, but not in 2008. 

I don't believe that he is the candidate for me however, as i believe that the country needs a leader that is very much in the middle, neither liberal nor conservative.  President Bush has been a very polarizing figure for America, and I believe that Ms. Clinton would absolutely be the same.  I also believe that Mr. Obama is too much to the left, just as President Bush is too far to the right.  I believe that someone much like Mr. Giuliani is exactly what the country needs right now to bridge the wide gap in the political ideologies that seperate the US's people.

As far as the country being ready for either a black president or a woman president, i believe we are as ready as we are ever going to be.  Let us not forget that the last 2 Secretaries of State have been black, and of course Rice also being a woman (as well as serving as National Security Advisor), so the US has seen blacks and women in very high ranking positions already.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 3:55:55 PM   
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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 6:41:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

any person the dems put out will be labled a liberal.


I'm a libertarian, but I never understood how 'liberal' got to be a bad word. Ours was a nation founded by liberal thinkers.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/18/2006 10:13:29 PM   
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The love affair with Barak Obama is absurd.  He is obviously well read and charasmatic... but so was Adolph Hitler.  What hasnt been spoken in the press is his waaaay left wing voting record.  He is a chameleon that talks like a moderate and votes like a socialist.  In addition, he has TWO years in a national office.  Why would anyone trust their country to someone with no history in office, very limited knowledge of foreign affairs, and a smooth tongue for a credential? 
Did you have all these requirements for the current president or is it just Obama you can't stand?   It's a good thing you don't care, or you might have compared him to someone worse than hitler.    M

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 2:14:30 AM   
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He has less than 2 years of experience in the Senate for crying out loud and is only 45 years old (or so).  We need a leader with more experience than that.  Jumping from the legislative branch to the executive is not exactly the easiest, and we need someone who has been in politics far longer


This "could" be exacltey what we need. Some one who doesnt know all the tricks.
No it wouldn't be easy- but come on No president runs the country alone they have many people working with them.

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Why would anyone trust their country to someone with no history in office, very limited knowledge of foreign affairs, and a smooth tongue for a credential? 


Frankly I think all politicians have a smooth tongue- especialy those who have been in office for many years. They know the in's - out's- tricks- scams-etc etc.
As for trust - look at some of the presidents we have trusted- The End

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 2:29:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whoever wins, so long as the Bush dynasty is finally gone form the Whitehouse, the world will breathe a sigh of relief.

The sad thing is that there are some fucked up people who'll mourn his passage from power.


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 3:54:38 AM   
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I'm a libertarian, but I never understood how 'liberal' got to be a bad word. Ours was a nation founded by liberal thinkers.


Change for it's own sake isn't a good thing.  Our nation was founded by people who didn't want to pay taxes, and reasoned they should have more of a say in local affairs.  If they had waited ten or fifteen years, they probably would have.  History, of course, is written by the victors - had the revolution been crushed, we'd still be singing God Save the King, and the 'Founding Fathers' would have been celebrated footnotes in the book of English Traitors (and there would be Benedict Arnold Ave in most major cities.)

I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with being liberal.  I'm very liberal socially - people are happiest and most productive, when their daily lives aren't regulated and monitored.  I'm also very conservative, fiscally - the money we earn belongs in the pockets of those who earn it, not in the collection plate to pay for the president's private jet and mayors' limos.  I believe in strong local authority, with strong federal oversight - state's rights should trump federal interests, but feds should have discretionary powers, when invoked by individuals (and in reality, I think our modern age of information means we could reasonably do away with congress as a whole, and institute direct democracy, through regular debate and 'voting' sessions by every registered voter, through a system similar to the electoral college.)


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 7:26:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Voltare

I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with being liberal. I'm very liberal socially - people are happiest and most productive, when their daily lives aren't regulated and monitored. I'm also very conservative, fiscally - the money we earn belongs in the pockets of those who earn it, not in the collection plate to pay for the president's private jet and mayors' limos.


!!! SMART MAN !!! So few people separate their political leanings, sociall leanings, and economic leanings. A sensible person might be more liberal politcially than so-called 'liberals' and should be more economically conservative than so-called 'conservatives'.

It's also annoying that we Americans have come to confuse conservative with right wing and liberal with left wing. Naturally, it falls into the laps of propagandists.

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I believe in strong local authority, with strong federal oversight - state's rights should trump federal interests, but feds should have discretionary powers,


A dose of Florida might sour you on strong local authority. You an lose your house if your community doesn't like how you maintain it or even paint it. You can no longer legally keep a boat in your driveway in Orlando. You cannot tether your dog outside. You cannot legally keep an unlicensed automobile. You cannot legally service your car in your own driveway.

If you have a homeowner's association, you probably are limited in your choice of paint colors. You cannot have lawn decorations. Until recently when the ACLU went to court, Orange County (and others) forbade worship services in your home and banned the flying of American flags on flagpoles not attached to your house.

In neighboring Seminole County, a libertarian has served a prison term (he's currently on probation after a year in prison and is under threat to return to prison) for a dispute which involved (among other things) a sculpture in of a giant ass (arse) as a symbol of what he thought of government.

It's an example of right-wing conservatism gone mad (remember this is a heavily Republican state). In the state of Florida, we have Code Enforcement Boards which police your properties. In fact, they have more police powers than police and are often used by government (and vindictive neighbors) to 'get' those who can't otherwise be touched by the law. Violations are prosecuted under criminal law, not civil.

As our forefathers said, no government can be trusted to serve its people.



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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 9:30:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about Jim Jones instead of Hitler?  People blindly followed him to the kool-aid trough. 
You need to read again... Obama wasnt compared to Hitler, the traits he exhibits were.  If I have a problem with Obama, it is his routine of speaking like he is a moderate and voting like a radical.  I would prefer he drop the cloak of moderation and speak his mind for all to hear, not speak what he thinks people want to hear and vote a left wing, liberal agenda. 

It's a good thing I don't care about what?  I damn sure care about this country and want to see leaders with experience they have earned and accumulated.  If you compared political office to running a business you would discover that Presidents seem to be elected with credentials from being the top guy in their past associations, like a Governor to President.  As a normal rule, members of Congress dont do very well in Presidential elections.  The focus of a Congressman is limited in scope, though some do seem to forget that the voters back home elected them to represent them, not all 50 States..   

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 10:21:19 AM   
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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 6:24:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soooo... in your opinion, anyone living in the South that doesnt think Barak Obama hung the moon is a Klan member.  In my original post, I commented that the Republicans had a black candidate the could and probably should have been elected President... Colin Powell.  Your attitude is the exact reason that he chose to drop out of the race.  People of his own race branded him an Uncle Tom for being a Republican.  We lost a man from Oklahoma, J.C. Watts, that chose to retire after 3 or 4 terms in the House of Representatives.  He watched what happened to Powell and although he never used it as an excuse, he left politics behind.  The next victim of racial attacks will be Condi Rice if she chooses to run for higher office.  These are people I respect and could vote for in any election they chose to run in, and for any office.  You can take your inane little insinuation and stuff it.  It is you and those like you that throw race and gender  into arguments where it doesnt belong, thus perpetuating a climate of divisiveness in the political landscape.  I stand by the idea that Obama doesnt have the qualifications to be elected.  Please do all you can to push his candidacy... you will assure another Demo loss by putting an unqualified candidate in front of the electorate.   

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