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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 6:33:52 PM   
BeachMistress


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Well said, any succesfull black american that doesnt kow tow to the Dems and the "give me mine" black leaders is instanly attacked.  We have a class of people that knows niether respct for themselves or for others, due to welfare and being told how much they are "owed" rather than how much they "owe".  Democrat class warfare is destroying this country like nothing ever before in history.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/19/2006 9:41:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kree
Your attitude is the exact reason that he chose to drop out of the race.  People of his own race branded him an Uncle Tom for being a Republican.  We lost a man from Oklahoma, J.C. Watts, that chose to retire after 3 or 4 terms in the House of Representatives.  He watched what happened to Powell and although he never used it as an excuse, he left politics behind.  The next victim of racial attacks will be Condi Rice if she chooses to run for higher office.  These are people I respect and could vote for in any election they chose to run in, and for any office.  You can take your inane little insinuation and stuff it.  It is you and those like you that throw race and gender  into arguments where it doesnt belong, thus perpetuating a climate of divisiveness in the political landscape
You forgot to stick your tongue out big baby!    I did to you what you did to Obama.   Instead of saying he is charismatic like some other positive force in the world/government (think of recent president Clinton), you compared him to Hitler or Jim Jones, because you needed the darkness connected to his name/intellect.   I don't really care about how conservative you are nor do I care about your position on race;  my point was to illustrate your portrayal of him.  

I hit a nerve since I pissed you off enough for you to insinuate you know my position as regards to anyone else of color.  The real arrogance is in your statement insinuating you understand Powel and Condi Rice's politics/position regarding inclusive policies better than black people, so that any conclusion the blacks may come to is wrong because you would know much better what is good for all.  

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BeachMistress
Well said, any succesfull black american that doesnt kow tow to the Dems and the "give me mine" black leaders is instanly attacked.  We have a class of people that knows niether respct for themselves or for others, due to welfare and being told how much they are "owed" rather than how much they "owe".  Democrat class warfare is destroying this country like nothing ever before in history.
I've never read anything more ignorant on these boards.    Corporate welfare, and a lack of democracy is more what is destroying this country.   God I hate that you have this name so similar to the much classier/smarter BeachMystress; fortunately, your writing immediately shows you will not be confused for her.   M

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/20/2006 1:21:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Petruchio

!!! SMART MAN !!! So few people separate their political leanings, sociall leanings, and economic leanings. A sensible person might be more liberal politcially than so-called 'liberals' and should be more economically conservative than so-called 'conservatives'.

It's also annoying that we Americans have come to confuse conservative with right wing and liberal with left wing. Naturally, it falls into the laps of propagandists.


Thanks.  I'm always wary coming in a bit late to any debate, especially political ones. 

Before I go sticking my foot in my mouth, I suppose I'll admit I know very little about the finer points of southern politics.  I grew up in Michigan, and I've spent more of my adult (and voting) life outside of the country than in.
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A dose of Florida might sour you on strong local authority. You an lose your house if your community doesn't like how you maintain it or even paint it. You can no longer legally keep a boat in your driveway in Orlando. You cannot tether your dog outside. You cannot legally keep an unlicensed automobile. You cannot legally service your car in your own driveway.

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It's an example of right-wing conservatism gone mad (remember this is a heavily Republican state). In the state of Florida, we have Code Enforcement Boards which police your properties. In fact, they have more police powers than police and are often used by government (and vindictive neighbors) to 'get' those who can't otherwise be touched by the law. Violations are prosecuted under criminal law, not civil.

As our forefathers said, no government can be trusted to serve its people.


No question this is oversimplification, but I see two conflicting concepts here.  On one hand, I believe that a local community should have the authority (indeed, responsibility) to police itself as it deems fit.  On the other hand, is what an old teacher of mine used to call the 'left handed' tax - situations where a society heavily regulates or punishes a small minority (i.e. anyone left handed, born in June, or sticks a pink flamingo on their front lawn.)  This is why I believe in strong Federal oversight - not unlike the system whe have in place to standardize motor vehicle laws, where the states are free to write the rules and laws as they wish - but to receive their portion of federal funds, they must conform to very specific guidelines (why do you suppose the drinking age - a state regulation - is 21 in all states now?) 

Voter apathy does more to encourage the abuse of the legal system than any thousands of corrupt and greedy politicians, judges, and law enforcement officials.  Seven solid years of electing non-Dem and non-Rep candidates would literally wash out the 'old' batch (the good and evil, as it were.)  The downside is that the system would be replaced with political freshmen, many of whom would still end up with their hands in the various corporate cookie jars.  Still, there are plenty of methods a voter might use to have the law changed.  My personal method was to leave the country ;)  Obviously, that's a luxury most cannot afford.
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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/20/2006 3:48:15 AM   
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It seems the Democrats have taken more chances with the idealism and doing the right thing for PEOPLE rather than business.

Women for public office.

Health care.

Why is it the Democrats use to get in trouble for sex scandles and republican for money and corruption? ;)

Now the republicans seem to be trying to copy the dems in their own perverse manner? ;)

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/20/2006 8:07:57 AM   
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You forgot to stick your tongue out big baby!    I did to you what you did to Obama.   Instead of saying he is charismatic like some other positive force in the world/government (think of recent president Clinton), you compared him to Hitler or Jim Jones, because you needed the darkness connected to his name/intellect.   I don't really care about how conservative you are nor do I care about your position on race;  my point was to illustrate your portrayal of him.  

Ok, I understand now.  We should compare Obama to a man who lied under oath in a federal court, who besmirched the Presidency by seducing a young intern in the Oval Office for a blow job, and who has been accused of raping a number of women in his past.  Actually, I gave Obama more credit than that and would not have compared him to Bill Clinton.


I hit a nerve since I pissed you off enough for you to insinuate you know my position as regards to anyone else of color.  The real arrogance is in your statement insinuating you understand Powel and Condi Rice's politics/position regarding inclusive policies better than black people, so that any conclusion the blacks may come to is wrong because you would know much better what is good for all.  

Actually, I find your positions and your little jabs humorous.  Humor never pisses me off.  Since you feel it is arrogance to have read the reports about what was going on in those times and to have studied it, I plead guilty to informed arrogance.  What I understand is what I saw... from the pulpits of many churches, there was a hideous attack on a fine man, Colin Powell, because he was a Republican.  Obviously you did not see that, or perhaps, you agreed with that.  I do not and have not spoken FOR Powell or Watts or Rice, I have spoken about what has happened to decent and moral blacks who are Republicans.  Put your rose colored glasses back on and go hug Obama.


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:25:28 AM   
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quote:

Put your rose colored glasses back on and go hug Obama.


Well you can do more than that:
http://www.cafepress.com/friendspolitica
 
Clinton Obama Clinton 2008

The Clintons for President
 
Americans aren't lazy they're just Bushed
 
Friends Dont Let Friends Vote Republican
 
Friends Dont Let Friends Vote Democrat


Have a pleasant holidays.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:28:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Walt and Geraldine


Correct. You win a cuppie doll or the president of your choice!

Well you can do more than that:
http://www.cafepress.com/friendspolitica 
Clinton Obama Clinton 2008
The Clintons for President 
Americans aren't lazy they're just Bushed 
Friends Dont Let Friends Vote Republican 
Friends Dont Let Friends Vote Democrat

Have a pleasant holidays.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:31:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DOM68005

    The concept of a woman or minority in the Presidential chair doe not bother me


I actually believe we are finally on the cusp of seeing more women in political roles of leadership rather than support.

Society as a whole for the lasst few decades has seen the trend of women in leadership roles as CEOs but unfortunately they are targetted and punsihed much more ruthlessley by men as they are role models.

So they make examples of them while the men who rob the poor working class go to reseort jails and get slaps on the hannds.

More women in higher places will mean more women in need of spankings as a release. ;)
Well you can do more than that:

http://www.cafepress.com/friendspolitica 
Clinton Obama Clinton 2008
The Clintons for President 
Americans aren't lazy they're just Bushed 
Friends Dont Let Friends Vote Republican 
Friends Dont Let Friends Vote Democrat

Have a pleasant holidays.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:33:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

I don't like Hillary, but I will vote for Obama as Pres and Hillary as vice, but no I don't think they'll win.    M

Unfortunately we are still fighting the stigma of a black president. a woman president in America.

Now you do have examples of women leaders as Gandi and Mier in India and Israel.

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Go figure.


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:35:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I might vote for her, ... has her beat in the charisma department


Personality is not everything though...what about past records and what people have TRIED to accomplish?

Healthcare?

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:36:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Petruchio

Why is everyone going on about Obama being black? He's human and American.


Unfortunately there are many in the world that only see others by class, race, religion...think about it...how many prejudge someone before you meet them?


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:38:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I love hillary!!! I give her the keys.


Why do you love Hillary?
Her hair?
Her smile?
Her policies?

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Her ideals?


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:39:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Voltare
I was extremely dissappointed when Bush edged out McCain.  I think he's just what the US needs.

 
Why do you think US needs him?
Because he served in military and decorated vet and Bush is not?
He has a better smile?
He waffles better to the press?

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Americans aren't lazy they're just Bushed 
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:42:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kree

Obviously the Hillary fans have forgotten her attempt at forcing an incredibly expensive and foolish health care plan on the USA. 


How was it foolish?

The UK has a health plan that works correct?

Does taking care of others denote one as being foolish?

Or should we live the type of wealthy lives so others might suffer?

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:46:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SoccerMan69

President Bush has been a very polarizing figure for America, and I believe that Ms. Clinton would absolutely be the same. 


Don't you mean that Bush has been the gopher for big business and special interests goups that take people's life savings and plunder the natural wealth of our wildlands?

Is it not a fact according to Robert Kenedy's book that Bush is the WORST president regarding the enviroment?

Why is it taking Gore and his book / movie to finally wake people up to global warming?

Why do lawyers and CEOs's feel the need to thieve and rob the future generations under the guise of special interest groups that prop up Bush and his cronies?


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:47:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

i don't think we're ready for a female or minority president,


Why? I think you are wrong. I understand why you said it but America has to be ready at some point. Are we to wait more generations?


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:48:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Petruchio

I never understood how 'liberal' got to be a bad word. Ours was a nation founded by liberal thinkers.


America was founded on revolutionaries and people...men and woman who wanted to be free of tyrantical rulings.

Both in thought and physical imposement.


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Americans aren't lazy they're just Bushed 
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Have a pleasant holidays.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:49:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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ORIGINAL: Kree
The love affair with Barak Obama is absurd.  He is obviously well read and charasmatic... but so was Adolph Hitler.  What hasnt been spoken in the press is his waaaay left wing voting record.  He is a chameleon that talks like a moderate and votes like a socialist.  In addition, he has TWO years in a national office.  Why would anyone trust their country to someone with no history in office, very limited knowledge of foreign affairs, and a smooth tongue for a credential? 
Did you have all these requirements for the current president or is it just Obama you can't stand?   It's a good thing you don't care, or you might have compared him to someone worse than hitler.    M


And like Bush was versed in something more than running a baseball club??????


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Americans aren't lazy they're just Bushed 
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Have a pleasant holidays.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:51:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

[No it wouldn't be easy- but come on No president runs the country alone they have many people working with them.


Quite often you will find it is the behind the scene people that really shape the front man .


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RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for Presi... - 12/22/2006 3:53:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely

Whoever wins, so long as the Bush dynasty is finally gone form the Whitehouse, the world will breathe a sigh of relief.


Wrong. The Bush clan has placed special interest lobbiest in positions of political power.

It will take YEARS to rid the system of that.

Time to wake up America!

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Americans aren't lazy they're just Bushed 
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Friends Dont Let Friends Vote Democrat

Have a pleasant holidays.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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Bush has got more big biz cronies in politics than any other president.


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