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RE: a slave's journey - 12/18/2006 4:43:54 PM

BDSM05478

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

There are a few women who enjoy debasement to the point of rolling in filth, being called a stupid whore…even being treated like a stupid whore…and worse. Check out a wonderful woman called FemCar…the degree to which she can be objectified and degraded is astounding.

Yet, her husband adores her…by all accounts this strong, intelligent woman has a wonderful relationship.

She is torn down and carefully rebuilt…at least that is how I would describe it. She is not always a stupid whore, slut, pig…any more than she is just a stupid whore, slut, pig…She is always his beloved, bright, strong, partner, too! They call it ego-bashing, btw.

I still have the Presenter’s Schedule/Information from Denver’s Thunder In The Mountains 2006 (2007: http://www.thunderinthemountains.com). If you would like the bio/info on their presentation last July, write me on the other side; I’d be glad to share it)

Anyway, I just wanted to share that, no matter how low you go during play…it is never all that you become or only what you are.

Just my take,
Beverly

Your take is dead on imo Beverly. There are always those times as a *s* that I am naked, bruised, berated and then pissed and spit on before I am dismissed to go clean up but then during the shower he comes in to wash, care, caress and rebuild me. at that moment i am more vunerible than comparied to any point before it. For me I can not see how someone would want only to be trashed and never treasure. Many times I have been broken down and then rebuilt some emotionally some mentally but all have been ultimatly for my improvement.

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/18/2006 6:50:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: backseatbebe
anyone have more responces along the lines of this
because this is what my partner expects of me

and once again...
So has anyone crossed that line of understanding/accpeting that they are nothing more than a "stupid whore"?

and no my self worth is pretty well in tact thats why i how to hmmm...balance the two

I have been debased severely, and yet I know how much value I have to him. He makes sure I know. My Master is a pretty intelligent man; he would not own someone he felt was stupid. But he loves (as do I ) that I will go to any length he puts me through. I will be his stupid whore, his cunt, his pig, his nasty piss-ant of a slave, and when he wants me as such, I will behave as such, enduring sometimes hellish feats. I relish in it because it is safe to relish in it. Why? Because it causes me to reach certain depths within myself that I never would have reached before. It allows me the strength to do what I never could have done before. And because he knows I am bright, happy, and well thought of, he beams at the fact that I will go through such torment for him for no other reason than because he wanted me to. He is amazed at what I will do for him, and because he knows me so thoroughly, he knows I am not a mindless wanderer who does such things numbly and blindly. This makes it all the more sweeter, for both of us.

I am not just one those things, after all. I am his little girl, his well respected slave, his companion, his object to play with, his anything. Each element is just that - an element of a much bigger picture. I am not "just" any one thing. That would make me rather one dimmensional. I am a complex being, made up of many elements and traits, that he has found a way to tap into and make the most out of. In doing so, I found myself and shed the baggage. In doing so, I am finally true to myself and can live no other way.

You mentioned that thinking highly of yourself can not make you a "perfect" slave. While I do not believe perfection exists, I still strive for it. And I will just say if I did not think highly of myself, then I would be doubting his own intellect and choices, and that would make me less perfect than if I served him with my complete, confident, wonderful self.

I wish you the best in your journey of self discovery :)

Edited to say Egads this post now appears like such a self-promotion but it really is not intended as that. It is intended to show that one can feel good about herself while still being subjected to the unthinkable. Hopefully that came across okay!

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/18/2006 6:54:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: backseatbebe

So has anyone crossed that line of understanding/accpeting that they are nothing more than a "stupid whore"?

You had me right up until this phrase...

Where on earth did you get the idea that slaves were NOTHING more than stupid whores?

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/18/2006 7:01:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: RedSavageSlave

quote:

ORIGINAL: backseatbebe

So has anyone crossed that line of understanding/accpeting that they are nothing more than a "stupid whore"?

You had me right up until this phrase...

Where on earth did you get the idea that slaves were NOTHING more than stupid whores?

Either you missed the point of her question...or I did.

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/18/2006 7:06:02 PM

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LOL... I must have..

but I am tired LOL

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/18/2006 7:40:28 PM

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Fast Reply:

Naw...ownedgirlie gets it. She (and he) seem to understand perfectly.

It takes time though; time and trust...a great deal of trust!

MsB

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/18/2006 7:56:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: backseatbebe

and last but not least akisha...what if it is goes beyond degrees of will. i love the mind aspect of submitting including indentifiying as a slut, whore, pet, etc. Though easily we can play these games and say these things and not believe them but what is the point of becoming a slave then?

For most of us it is not a game. But as a human, a thinking intelligent person, we still have choices. At some point the choice may only be to obey and stay, or to disobey and leave, but they are choices.

Why do you say they are just games and we do not believe them? My relationship to me is anything but a game.

I do not believe I am a slut or a whore in general, but I am a slut and a whore for Daddy, but only for Him. I am His Slut and His whore. No one elses. This is how i identify for Him. I am also his cherished pet. This does not mean I am nothing else but these things.

I am also and Office Manager, I am also a mother, I am also a very dominant person outside the home. These are the ways i identify to others that I work with, and deal with on a day to day basis.

I may be many things that He demands of me, but I will always be me first. I'm sure there are people that have given up free will and free thought for another. I am not one of those.

I think of what Sir desires of me and demands of me before I do many things. I ask permission to go out with my friends. I ask permission to buy non essential items. I have given up that control of my life to him.

At this time we do not live together, but I make sure to wish Him a good morning every day. Somedays I hear back, others I don't. When He's at work that's normal. This is a small ritual that i do to make sure He is in my heart and mind everyday.

You have to realize that just because you are owned, you are still soley responsible for your own actions. If for some reason your Master or Mistress gives you a command to do something illegal or immoral, the one that ultimately has to answer for your actions is YOU! A judge doesn't give a damn that your "Master" told you to do it. We all have free will and are therefore held responsible for it.

I love my Sir, and I want more then anything to please him, but i would not go against something I strongly believe in just to do so.

edited because my grammar obviously sucks tonight

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/18/2006 7:59:25 PM

akisha

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare
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More than a few submissives fantasize about eternal servitude, being locked, chained, molded, stripped of their very personalities and identities. ...

Yeah, and that kind of stuff is an absolute BLAST for a weekend with your significant other.

I believe 24/7 with someone you trust includes the rest of the stuff you mentioned too, Voltare...all the every-day stuff plain ol' vanilla has to offer. The fantasy stuff, for me...is for playtime!

Maybe that's just me though,
MsB

Oh I'd be game for a weekend *eg* But i think it would get more then tiresome for a long period of time hehe

btw MsBearlee, love the new pic

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 12:53:23 AM

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I read most of the posts and they were very insightful. How do you know? How do you if being submissive/slave is the right road? Is it a choice? I am drawn to this world but I am not sure sometimes.

jean

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 2:48:03 AM

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RedSavage, the quotes suggest to me that she wants to experience the fantasy (not the reality) of being a 'stupid whore.' My own experience is that this is much more common amongst male submissives, and the trigger isn't a desire to actually be stupid, but similar to a rape fantasy - women who fantasize about rape don't usually actually want it. Repressed sexual desires and feelings often come out in the form of fantasizing about being 'forced' to do them - relieving us of any perceived responsibility. A woman walks into a biker bar dressed in a G-string with 'Fuck Me' markered on her chest and stomach can say 'no' all she likes, but she's probably in for a back room gang bang. Does this mean she was raped?

Anyway, I get the impression that bebe is struggling to accept certain sexual desires. It's a tough road, not too different from someone wrestling with a 'choice' to be gay. By being 'made' into a stupid whore, it's no longer her choice - thus no longer her fault for enjoying it. It won't reduce her intellect, nor turn her into a street walker.

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 3:22:33 AM

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By being 'made' into a stupid whore, it's no longer her choice - thus no longer her fault for enjoying it. It won't reduce her intellect, nor turn her into a street walker.

I agree with that and what you said earlier about chosing a person as a whole, and not wanting to lose those traits.

Backstreet, I think that if you look forward to enjoying your delicious tenous steps toward your goal, and trust that you'll still be there throughout your journey, you'll gain the strength from your actions that you hear others writing about. You're not going to go through some process and get a Slave Diploma at the end.....each of these days is what makes up your life; you're who you are today, and will be tomorrow. If you keep enjoying the process, your partner is likely to also.

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 4:08:21 AM

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I read most of the posts and they were very insightful. How do you know? How do you if being submissive/slave is the right road? Is it a choice? I am drawn to this world but I am not sure sometimes.

It's easy, you take a look at your personality and see how it is you fit comfortably within relationship with another. If the answer to that is that you like to take a submissive role, with your partner being the one in charge...you would fit well into a D/s or even a M/s relationship.

To find the right partner then, you just look for someone the same as you would outside of bdsm, someone who is compatable with you, shares similar interests, has a similar outlook on life and whose goals and dreams are in alignment with yours.

As far as the fun and games go, even in the non bdsm world, you might not be happy with someone who wants to skydive all the time, yet your afraid of heights, or planes just dont interest you, or watching someone jump outa a plane is just plain too obscure or even boring to you. I see that the same as peoples kinks...so to find someone compatable with your kinks would be beneficial and make day to day living more enjoyable and fun.

I guess that was a little off topic, but hope I answered your question jean36.

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 6:06:43 AM

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You never lose your identity no matter if you are a sub or slave. I am Master's property but he also sees me as a person and treats me a such. Everyone has their own definition of a slave. Becoming a slave to me was a like an awakening for me. I finally felt fulfilled and good about what I was.

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 7:39:37 AM

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Thank you for the response.

Is it normal to "crave" humiliation? Is it normal to "crave" wanting to be a slave?

jean

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 8:45:35 AM

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normal is perspective. On my side of the river you would hear a very emphatic Yes! to both those questions.

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 10:01:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: jean36

Thank you for the response.

Is it normal to "crave" humiliation? Is it normal to "crave" wanting to be a slave?

jean

Totally depends on the person.

I very much dislike humiliation, but it doesn't make me any less a submissive then someone that really enjoys it.

Again, with the craving to be a slave, what's normal for one is not normal for another. If you crave it then it's obviously normal for you.

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 5:02:41 PM

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Before the one Master/slave relationship i had i felt like you do -- that it would strip me of all i am individually. What i found, however, was just the opposite -- it helped me define who and what i am, it centered me much more than i had ever been before, and gave my life a glow and warmth that i'd never felt.

The one drawback was that once the relationship was over was that much more difficult for me to go it alone or to trust that much to anyone again. i don't regret that time in my life at all, in fact i'm thankful for that time and person in my life and for the growth that resulted from such a relationship. It happened when it was supposed to, and ended pretty much the same way -- at the right time.

Good luck...

jimini

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 5:07:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: akisha
Again, with the craving to be a slave, what's normal for one is not normal for another. If you crave it then it's obviously normal for you.

Normal is an illusion (also a city in Illinois).

MaryT

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/19/2006 5:13:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: akisha

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare
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More than a few submissives fantasize about eternal servitude, being locked, chained, molded, stripped of their very personalities and identities. ...

Yeah, and that kind of stuff is an absolute BLAST for a weekend with your significant other.

I believe 24/7 with someone you trust includes the rest of the stuff you mentioned too, Voltare...all the every-day stuff plain ol' vanilla has to offer. The fantasy stuff, for me...is for playtime!

Maybe that's just me though,
MsB

Oh I'd be game for a weekend *eg* But i think it would get more then tiresome for a long period of time hehe

btw MsBearlee, love the new pic

First of all, let me say THAT was my point; a weekend play session is more than realistic; as a life it's boring at best! No? LOL

Thanks akisha...but know you're probably confusing MsBearlee (who doesn't have any new pics) with bearlee (even though we share some of the same). Go figure! LOL

WEG
Beverly

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RE: a slave's journey - 12/20/2006 4:15:04 PM

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I have had some experiences in this words in real life....however not for a long time. I just crave....want a lot. I know that normal is an illusion.....and in Illinois LOL I don't even know what my question is....I guess I don't want my intense cravings to make me make a wrong decision. Does that sound right?

jean

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