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Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:02:19 PM   
LotusSong


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Gentlemen,
 
I have a question-  It seems more often than not, the a Master will find his first slave.  Then he desires his triad and send the first slave out to procure for him another submissive.  
 
Do you take into consideration how difficult this might be for her emotionally?
 
What do you do when she finds one that works for her and then introduces her to the master and that's the deal breaker (meaning- that sub is not attracted to him)
 
It would seem to me that the Master should do the hunting and then the first submissive would have the determining vote.. OR she would just have to accept your choice.
 
What works for you?

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:10:05 PM   
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Seriously Lotus?


Fuck her emotions, can you imagine I bring a woman in the house and the one here now up and decides to have the ass at her? I don't need to get along with women to get my dick sucked. 

YOU got men wanting to lick your dirty feet and sniff your farts and cant get rid of them, there are a dearth of goofy mother fuckers out there sure;  but it is gender flopped, that aint what makes this end of the world go round.

I have stinky feet and smelly farts but the ones I want are all lesbians posting in the Misstress forum......


We all feel cheap out here kid, and I would like to know how to slap the world in the ass in such a way that it falls down without breaking anyones arm....but I aint got a handle on that yet.


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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:14:17 PM   
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I have never allowed another slave to hunt or determine who would or would not serve my House. I hunt the slave and during the "getting to know you" phase, I introduce the others. I watch how they interact and they all are very clear that Alpha can be given to another just as easy as it was given to the first one and that the one who is Alpha now, may be serving those under her tomorrow.
It does require a great deal of micro-managing until they are comfortable with each other.
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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:16:34 PM   
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I think there's a logic here.  While it may not be the best communication all 'round - it's better if the female does the looking in the odd chance of having success.

Much less threatening, I would imagine!

I have taken my own looking for a female play partner upon myself with less participation from my boy, just because there's so much creepiness out there, and his level of participation or non-participation is up for negotiation. I don't necessarily always think it's a bad idea MDoms do out of innate laziness, there may be some consideration there.  

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:23:21 PM   
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this one agrees with you LotusSong.  i don't know about everyone else, but i was under the impression that our collar was our choice.  If we want a certain thing from our Master, we must choose our Master wisely.

The key is TOTAL honesty (in advance).

Is this slave out of line to ask for that consideration?

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:25:11 PM   
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Is this slave out of line to ask for that consideration?


Hell no, in my opinion - especially in an M/s situation! :)

I'm just floating some devil's advocacy along. I can see some reasons why people would go about it that way, but there are clearly disadvantages too!

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:25:40 PM   
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Dear LotusSong, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Only one case where my slave sought his brother slave and, that was largely due to the fact he was Gay but in the closet; and he needed to be discrete.  He knew the language and he was able to get in more discretely then I can -- for obvious reasons however, I was the one who accepted or declined his choice.
 
Since then and the slaves that followed that relationship, I was the sole individual selecting slaves to fit into my household.  The first slave though has to be in the process as well, as the personalities and people have to get along in the first place.  I have found it best when we both approach someone that may work.  But, I put up front that there are no Alpha/First Boy status.  I rotate that task to be in charge with all my slaves--as none is any better then the other.
 
In my mind's eyes I see; regardless of gender a slave is a slave that is subjected to their own emotions, feelings and need a fair amount of comfort and, when there is the second,third, forth and more slave, the last one in always has a feeling of being the lowest and hurt the easiest.  Being honest in all the feelings, emotions and 'gut' instincts there must be communication.  With communication, there might be compromises and work-able solutions.  My mind's eyes see much like trying to create a family and or unit, by adoption/claiming but, on a M/s relationship structure that would be more like Imperial D/s structure and or military D/s structure.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:28:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


YOU got men wanting to lick your dirty feet and sniff your farts and cant get rid of them, there are a dearth of goofy mother fuckers out there sure;  but it is gender flopped, that aint what makes this end of the world go round.



My feet are perfectly pedicured with "I'm Not Really a Waitress Red" polish with gold artwork and a tasteful rhinestone (thankyouverymuch) and smell sweetly :)  And I only fart while singing Silent Night- ala Larry the Cabelguy.
 
Since we have ladies posting here.. if you seek another slave for your family..who does the hunting? 
 
(heh.. these are killer feet.. I think I should take a pic of them..)

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:31:51 PM   
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I realize this is the "Ask A Master" forum, but I wanted to respond, if that's okay.  My Lord does the seeking and I have input as to my feelings for any slave entering this house.  We come to the final decision together, as any slave in this house will be such to both of us.

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 8:51:27 PM   
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For us it is a task that I have been set, although we are looking more for a play partner than someone to join us full time. The reason I am doing the search is mostly because I do not find the idea of a second female easy and by doing so I am proving to myself and to Master that I do obey him even when doing something I do not like.

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 9:21:50 PM   
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Some will disagree with me, but in this modern age where anyone can walk at any time, I suggest if 3 or 4 have to live together, it helps to have some mutual agreement, some buy-in. At the very least, some input for feedback. I think it's particularly helpful if woman number 1 even does the groundwork, finding someone she thinks her man will approve of.

Just my thought as this particular moment of this particular day.

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 10:07:22 PM   
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Yes, that's why I make her do it.

Was that really so hard to figure out?

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Do you take into consideration how difficult this might be for her emotionally?

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 10:22:45 PM   
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Well Lotussong, it seems you have posed a serious question and you deserve a serious answer. I consider myself WAAYYYY over on the monogomous side of the Male Dom continuum. But the truth is when things are slow at work and wistful thoughts go toward fantasies of peak sexual moments; I mean truly epic scenes, the kind that can make a dom a legend in the kinky community, four breasts can be better than two. What a man needs to survive is the bread and butter relationship I am sure you are providing, but what he will remembers when he is white haired and drifting into senility, are those balls-to-the-walls, rare-as-hens-teeth events, that just require more than one soft female bottom.  I always point to the section of the Khama Sutra with the positions that need the help of servants to achieve.

Whether this translates to an occasional scene event blowout, or needing another woman in each closet and one under the desk at work, depends on the Dominant in question. Why it is so- predicting when it will be- so I leave to greater minds than ours. Just remember Bill Clinton, President of the United States, and leader of the free world one fine day convinced himself that; what would really top off that slice of pizza was a Hummer from a fat chick. If the man we trust to  finger the nuclear football, can't escape the monkey logic of, "red lips, round hips, down it zips and in it slips", what chance do the rest of us have? And of course you have to decide what kind of man you have and how much you care to indulge him. Ask your Mom and your Aunts. Queens and courtesans, Jackie Kennedy, or Princess Di, the choices have always been the same.

Of course, there are always the backdoor sneakers. They are everywhere, there is no need to examine them here.

So first you  try to buck the odds.    You count out the minutes remaining of the life you share with your dom, and hoping you can manage to nail his coffin shut before he feels the need to act out. Unless you are planning to shoot him this weekend, good luck with that.

The only other road is that slippery, uncomfortable, annoying world of adult compromises. And I have no advice as to when and where the boundaries should be drawn but I will admit (at the risk of letting my side down, sorry guys), that there needs to be boundaries.

So that puts us out in the big bad out of doors where you will inevitably run into the subs who pimp for their doms. You know the kind, no sign of wear on their collar, but there they are at every scene event talking the party line of how "Excellent" and "Life Altering" a night with their "TRUE DOMINANT _ (fill in his name here)" would be to any fresh meat willing to listen.  This has never made any sense to me, and I am sure it fools fewer women than men. Women are better at seeing these things in their true perspective than men, but I can only say that "HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL".  I almost never hear my slave of over 8 years say much  about what my talents might be within my hearing. I suspect she tells everyone that I snore, fart in bed and smell really really bad, behind my back.   Because that is what a woman, sitting on a good thing could be expected to do in the real world (OK, mebbe I am concieted about being a good thing but I DO A LOT of repeat business).

Now I have spent a number of years snickering up my sleeve about these pimping subbies and their missionary zeal in finding their doms new pussy. It has always been my feeling that a man should be able to hunt up a willing set of lips if one should ever be needed in a scene. My skills as a hunter have never been great, but I can still bait a trap. Of course in a power exchange relationship a dom is supposed to guard his power and maintain his  skills.

But in real life it means that day by day you are maintaining outside relationships that are an invitation for the GREEN MONSTER jealousy to stick it's nose in the tent. You can never predict how the most giving of slaves is just not going to react to a strange woman crossing the threshold. But if a guaranteed smile is what you are aiming for bring home a bucket of KFC extra crispy instead.

If I were a "True Dom" or just fell off a turnip truck I could scan the subby"owners manuals" :The story of O, the Gor books, the web forums, Canterbury tales, Khama sutra, anything on the Castle Realm Website and the works of the Marquis de Sade.  They would tell me to do whatever my domly judgement told me to do. Good luck with that one too.

I have never built up a self affirming machine with many contributors, untold parties hosted ,years of momentum, some tv appearances and perhaps a book of my own like you see with popular scene personalities. It's not that I wouldn't trade for a day with John Warren if he offered, it is just not how I roll. I pick on John Warren specificly because he  been exceedingly gracious to me the few times our paths have crossed, and I am certain he has a sense of humour.  Humour is a rare and precious comodity in the scene. Besides, he is here and capable of defending himself so keep your cards and letters to yourself.

So more and more I am peeking over at how these things are done in other lifestyles. With "BIG LOVE" on HBO and Geraldo and his ilk on broadcast TV many of us have learned that in polygamist households it is often the women of the house who determine who becomes a new wife and what the rotation schedule will be.

One of the happiest couples I know are extremely active swingers. She has a schedule that would kill a lesser mortal. And he has this perpetual grin on his face, dog tired, but happy. For them balancing their social calendars requires constant communication and a rotating schedule that would put a soccer mom with five kids to shame.

So my small advice to you as you wrestle with this demon, is to weigh what you are getting from the relationship before agreeing to anything. Nobody is served by agreeing to something  that makes you permanently and fundamentally unhappy. But as I get older and greyer, I start to think more and more that these things require teamwork.

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 10:28:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong
Since we have ladies posting here.. if you seek another slave for your family..who does the hunting? 
 


Neither of us considers it hunting.  We both talk to people.  If there is compatibility, cool.  If not, then we move on.  He talks to more than I do about this particular topic.  But he believes such an arrangement would work best if the person I might be serving beside and I get along well.  I agree with him about that.

As for whether or not it is difficult...it isn't for me, but I do not shy away from things just because they are difficult.  I do what I need to to overcome whatever I'm afraid of (see the Fears thread).

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 11:00:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Gentlemen,
 
I have a question-  It seems more often than not, the a Master will find his first slave.  Then he desires his triad and send the first slave out to procure for him another submissive.  
 
Do you take into consideration how difficult this might be for her emotionally?
 
What do you do when she finds one that works for her and then introduces her to the master and that's the deal breaker (meaning- that sub is not attracted to him)
 
It would seem to me that the Master should do the hunting and then the first submissive would have the determining vote.. OR she would just have to accept your choice.
 
What works for you?


Greetings LotusSong,

The relationship between the Master/slave would have gone through a courtship process and the slave would know what the Master likes and then some.  The outside thought about such a matter would be the difference to the slaves.  Slave A does the interviews and lets the slave B know that Master loves oral, slave B then says that she can't give long oral because of her mouth being small and does other techniques.  Does slave A say ..no thank you...and go onto the next slave, or does she then say..hey Master might like the new approach.  Would the slave A take a long time in the search because she might have mixed feelings of getting a third involved?

Have the Master doing the search, leaves all feelings aside in more ways than one.  Unless the slave A does not know He is searching for a third, then He is an idiot..LOL.  The Master would adapt for the new slave, adapt the pleasure from what He can do with her guidance, for every female would have different abilities and values.

Why would she not accept His choice, she has His collar, she would have decided that He has sound judgement before having the steel around her neck.  The communication has to be the first priority and go from there.

Be well and take care.

Master Frank Ar.


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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/21/2006 11:05:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Since we have ladies posting here.. if you seek another slave for your family..who does the hunting? 
 

When we have discussed this possibility, I decided that we should both be part of the hunt.  Assuming that I ever do decide to bring in someone else to the family, we would both have to live with them. I dont think it is too far fetched an idea that since we are both bringing said third person into our home, we should both have a say in whothat person might be.

DV

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/22/2006 12:58:12 AM   
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That's not at all my style - but I can see how having control over the first cut may be easier on the alpha sub.  I prefer to find the third myself, then run it past the sub who's in service - which could be difficult, in that they get to look over someone else whom I find acceptable before they get a voice.

If it's emotionally difficult for you, perhaps you're not going to be happy in a triad, and there needs to be some discussion?  Nothing in your OP pointed to that, but it's a possibility that should be looked at - if only to dismiss it.

Alternatively, there's the poly dominant who does not give any submissive the right to blackball a potential third.  I've seen that done - I've never seen it work out well, but I've seen it done.

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/22/2006 6:00:37 AM   
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Tis a difficult question to answer.

But if my Master and I were to get into a poly relationship, I would much rather him pick out the woman, and have me consent to it, rather than me picking her out. I know that my opinion would be biased and my reactions to what she said harsh and most likely unbecomming of me.

Yes, it can cause a certain amount of emotional damage, but I have a feeling that many doms (correct me if I am wrong here guys) who have their submissives do that is so they can test their slaves.


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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/22/2006 6:19:52 AM   
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I have to agree with DV, Experience has shown that for me, taking on another girl without my current girl trusting her, only ends badly.

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RE: Having Subs Seek the Third - 12/22/2006 7:32:25 AM   
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quote:

question- It seems more often than not, the a Master will find his first slave. Then he desires his triad and send the first slave out to procure for him another submissive.

Do you take into consideration how difficult this might be for her emotionally?

What do you do when she finds one that works for her and then introduces her to the master and that's the deal breaker (meaning- that sub is not attracted to him)

What works for me is everyone being included every step of the way.

This piecemeal thing, whether it's the dom or the sub is just not the most effective way to begin a foundation on a solid relationship.

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