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NobleOne -> What is Love????????? (12/23/2006 8:08:11 PM)

What does love mean to you? In your own words describe what love is or means?  




cuddleheart50 -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/23/2006 8:36:35 PM)

Love is...Never having to say you're sorry!

sorry, couldnt resist.




SusanofO -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/23/2006 8:50:47 PM)

Part of it, I think, is accepting people as they are, and trying to help them become the best person they can be, at the same time (if that makes sense).

- Susan 




seeksfemslave -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 1:53:38 AM)

Assuming you meant love between consenting adults then I wait, with the certainty of reading all the idealistic waffle that will issue forth lol




SusanofO -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 2:54:43 AM)

I think it also means you would be willing to make sacrifices on behalf of someone, if it will be better for their welfare. I think love is not selfish. Love is kind and honest, and gentle, but knows when to "get tough", too.

- Susan 




mgdartist -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 2:58:39 AM)

Love eh? I once wrote something which tried to answer that. Ive since learned that few agree with me, and that my own inconsistencies in character were more behind what I wrote than any understanding of love, or more to the point, my ability to love. Perhaps so, but nonetheless, I've not been dissuaded, and wonder that it seems i get naught but ridicule, called bitter etc. instead of true intelligent rebuttal:

MGD's Lament on Love

    I've always had difficulty understanding why women invariably insist their men's brains be flooded with dopamine, much to his and their own detriment, ultimately, before accepting him as lover, husband, dominant or sex partner. While science hasn't yet proven
    (or perhaps just not dared to infer)
   
"Love" is but a chemical imbalance, and it has been suggested quite undeniably, that the flood of dopamine and other mind-altering chemicals can only be sustained for a short time, around six weeks maximum, when the effects must ease and subside, and what's left are only deep affection, friendship, sexual attraction and such trappings as are incidental to the euphoric effects and emotional overtures brought on by a purely physiological chemical change in the brain.
    But being no scientist, I am only qualified to write what it's been like to "love" for me, in my lifetime.
    If you're a man, you see the Acronym "LTR" almost as a street sign in front of every woman/submissive's profile, and in real life, in her harping, demanding, suspicious of male sexual motive, melodramatic speeches and mandates.

    Of course you can't blame them for holding out for something real and lasting, and dreaming of having those things every woman of self-respect should have. However, from a man's perspective, even if his intentions are honorable, it smacks of a certain fallacy. that being, "for us to be anything, you have to love me," with the full intent and focus being on, "for good"
    I'm unsure about the other men out there, but for me, I've been through this little vicious circle enough to know two things:


    Love can't be demanded, or coerced. Ever.
    Love isn't about getting, or receiving love at all, and anyone whose loyalty or submission is predicated on receiving it is self-deluded.
    The first time i ever got my heart broken, many years ago, i just couldn't believe it hurt so much, and how nothing seemed to make the pain subside. in my ensuing search for understanding, i finally came across something which made sense, and was the one thing that helped me recover and come back to as close as i ever got to understanding love:

"Love is a teacher
it teaches us we are alone
we came here alone,
and shall all leave this place,
all ALONE
What joy love may bring
as we endure our short time here,
should be cherished
as our chance to Give
our love
Whether it lasts 4 minutes,

or 49 years,
in the end, and always
we must re-learn the lesson:
that love is but illusion."

One has but to check the divorce rate, which is now well past 60% to know the truth of that last line. Both genders tend to blame the other for this, but with every failed marriage and relation, the illusory qualities of love are always at the core of the dysfunction. If you want to get a very clear picture of exactly what the end result of love is, spend the afternoon in a busy divorce court, as i did.

What I learned so very acutely, Is that in the courts eyes, and the lawyers minds, and much more in the mind of the women, in 3 of the 4 cases i watched, marriage was little more than a
"business arrangement"
, while the 3 men i saw, to a man, seemed to be sitting there wondering what on earth happened to the
"LOVE?"

I don't seek to denigrate women here, as in reality I adore them, nor do I carry the baggage of abiding resentment toward them, as many men do.
Nonetheless, in my limited experience, women are very good at requiring it, and very good at discerning whether they're actually getting it, but never really big on giving it., All-the-while very quick to question the quality of said love given from me. It always seemed like a somewhat unfair game they played, imposing such exacting standards on what love i had to give, while withholding their own until satisfied with mine.


But love isn't a game, and perhaps my life is no good meter for love, as all it's ever really wrought for me are heartache, expense, and confusion. When I do fall in love, the man i become is someone i can barely stand. Weaker, more volatile, closer to unstable, off-center, needy, and much more prone to obsess. So, unless you're drop-dead gorgeous, and absolutely can't live without me being a drooling simp over you, I'll be looking to skip that love business henceforth. Just having someone around I like, and am comfortable with seems vastly superior to my mind. Not to say I'll never love again, as I've always felt little control of it's appearance, but do feel it's an excessive and needless show of feeling, am far from my best self when experiencing it, and will therefore ever live in fear of it's re-emergence.

Me afraid of love?


Actually, I very much want and need to be deeply in love with a woman I adore...as long as it's reciprocated in kind.
But, YES,
I retain a healthy respect and fear of it, but at a much deeper level, question it's origins where women are concerned.

Why? Because to some degree, I believe it is used as the tool of women, to gain more control of men, being the weaker sex, they wish to make it a level playing field by imposing what is actually a mischaracterization of what happens to a man once over-come by the charms and allure of a woman. I'm sorry, but it isn't forever, isn't for a lifetime, and in fact the man is lucky to have it invoked for 2 months.
Hence my own adage, which has been universally detested and hotly resented by every woman who see's it:

"Love was created by women, for women."

Whatever they want to think it is, and have us believe in so romantically;
IT LIKELY ISN'T THE CRANIAL CHEMICAL RELEASE AT ALL.
And if not, what then is it?
    I'll admit I could be wrong.
Just think it's strange I've yet to meet a single woman who'd admit she could be wrong (in the common female context of "love" as a real and vital part of any relation), or that I may be
spot-on.
    Well, I likely just cost myself another sexual encounter or two by breaching my little revelations here, butI truly dont seek to drive a woman away with all this, but to make her see that, if its to be unconditional Love, she'll need to prove to me she can give it, before she gets it.

..after all, being a woman, if she must require that which is such an enigma to a man, she should, being most knowledgeable, lead him by her example...no?

MGD


Hey, you asked...lol





eyesopened -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 3:07:16 AM)

i struggle with this word.  It's interesting that the English language has one word to mean a variety of feelings in a whole gamut of intensity from "i love cheesecake" to "i love you" and even "i love you" can mean a different emotion depending on whether you are talking to your mom, your unmentionable, your most adored SO or even a drunken "i love you, man".  It's interesting that some languages don't even have a word for "love".  We can get so confused when we hear "love" and it means a fondness or affection but doesn't mean "IN love".  i've often told Doms over the years to not utter "love" when they mean fondness but i know it's awkward to say "i am fond of you" and easier to say "i love you" and leave the meaning to be badly deciphered.

But to me love is that thing that gives me courage to face any adversity.  Without love, i am a coward, without love i would have no reason to be brave.




Uyraell -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 3:28:19 AM)

The Best attempt at definition I can make is :
The willingness to caringly embrace with mind, body, spirit and emotions,  those same qualities in another person, knowing that to do so may cost and cost dearly, but still doing so, in the knowledge that the other person is willingly doing the same.
Hope that Helps, and that other folk will add their opinions.
Blessed Be,                                                                 ^Uyraell^




Quivver -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 3:37:06 AM)

I think ~love~ is an acceptance, it's gained over time.  It shows itself in action with results that are proven.  From Cheesecake to a Significant Other .... you love cheesecake but eat it anyway knowing full well it's gonna stick somewhere you really wish it wouldnt.  you love that Significant Other but know well that not everything they do is going to be easy, but you stay anyway. 

I think alot of people live in total confusion when they feel lust and think love.... 
Lust is easy, Love on the other hand is one of the hardest things you'll ever do.





meatcleaver -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 3:47:07 AM)

Love is a state of madness.

Who wants to be mad?




pahunkboy -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 4:25:04 AM)

love is selfesh.




seeksfemslave -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:04:33 AM)

I see I was wrong about the waffle, but we need more women to post to be sure.
I specially like Mgdartists post.

I have often pondered what men would do to women were they, men, not so sexually driven. lol




Uyraell -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:09:24 AM)

Below is a piece written some months ago I thought it relevant, so post it here.
The lass it was written for is both close to and dear to Me, ever.
The second piece I felt is also relevant, though from a slightly different perspective.
Blessed Be,                                                                                      ^Uyraell^
_____________________________________

--- Love ---


the miracle of Love
-given human hearts and emotions it is prosaic, inevitable,
the true miracle of Love:
- when given, it grows
- when accepted, it grows and heals,
- when shown, it reveals,
- and remains ever ineluctable.


(for jaime)


^Uyraell^
____________________________________

----- Devotion -----

she says the words: "i love You"
but she also shows You
- when she takes You into her mouth, her body,

she shows her devotion when she crawls to Your lap, tired from her climax
- or curls in Your arms after her release,

she does all these things as You do for her,
- such a simple word : "Love",
yet such a wealth of rich experience.


                         ^Uyraell^
_________________________________________




slavejali -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:12:08 AM)

Love can be known when no sense of separation is perceived. Love is the invisible fibre that connects all things.




Uyraell -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:19:57 AM)

On sober reflection, I find a third piece relevant.   For those not fond of poetry : "Thank you for your patience."
Blessed Be,                                                                                         ^Uyraell^

                                 ----- Values -----

What does she ask, but Thy Love, Thy Care ?
What seeks she, but Thy Warmth, Thy Contentment ?
- she brings you these things with her Heart, her Passion,
In enTrusting herSelf to You does she hand You these Gifts,
- Treasure Them, And her.
                      
                           ^Uyraell^

___________________________________________





Uyraell -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:23:20 AM)

Most apt, and most well said, slavejali :
Sincere congratulations,
Blessed Be,                                   ^Uyraell^




letmecollaryou -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:33:56 AM)

For me love is total surrender.Ownership of your mind,body,soul alongwith your materialistic property automatically get transferred to your love.It goes totally unconditional.You can foot thousand kilometers just to view a shade of your love.You can go far far away to fulfil a small wish of your love.It does not care for limits and distances,rules  and regulations.It is above all,the supreme,the complete,the full.It always saves and gives you,never takes away.It fulfils your all wishes without making any own wish.Perhaps this is the highest which can be achieved and i think life is all about it.




mistoferin -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:45:48 AM)

In a relationship, love is the stuff that starts to grow after all of the shiny newness has worn off and you begin to see with clarity all of the dents and scratches, all of the flaws, and you realize that you still want to be with that person regardless of it all.




Uyraell -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:49:47 AM)

Greetings, letmecollaryou.
Well-put, though I suspect many would find that definition extreme.
I tend to agree, yet philosophically I think it likely that more than surrender is involved.   The danger to the discussion is at this point that it could devolve into a semantic interpretation-fest, and I truly hope it does not.
Blessed Be,                                                      ^Uyraell^




Uyraell -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 5:53:30 AM)

Congratualtions, mistoferin, succinct and well said.
I agree with you, and in truth was approaching the discussion in this thread with the attitude you so neatly express.
Blessed Be,                                                           ^Uyraell^




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