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MasterMonos -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 8:50:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos Dom A goes up to Sub b and introduces himself. The typical diatribe of small talk pursues, followed by the submissive playing hard to get, and the poor pathetic Dominant almost begs her to consider him.. Following her around almost like a lost puppy. Then invariably the following occurs.... the submissive outright acts like a brat, and he loves it... he thinks its cute... Oh boy oh boy oh boy, she's a handful... I'm going to have fun taming her LOL... so who's the culprit here? The sex starved Dominant who does nothing but show her that she's in charge by taking the crap, and teaching her nothing more than oh it’s ok.. You’re cute, so I'll pretend like you're not really toping from the bottom, or is it the subs fault for not saying egh, you're no Dom... I could probably have you kneeling in front of me calling me Mistress if I really felt like it, so shoo! I find it amusing and kind of pathetic too, but you know what? 1. it's no skin off my ass, she's not my problem and if I don't like how they play I can choose not to watch 2. it's not really my GD business LOL... Do me a favor... Don't take things so seriously, you'll live longer... I don’t particularly care either, though I do find it humorous to watch. let me tell you a secret... I consider myself a student of human psychology and behavior, and as much as I enjoy watching the dating habits of various lifestyles, including the leather communities, BDSM, vanilla, swingers, and the like, I also find the whole "online" dynamic funny... how a few simple words that aren’t directed at any particular group, or people, by a perfect stranger who is nothing more than a few pixels on a screen tends to insight the most interesting emotions such as the ones I've seen so far :) Thank you all.

ursunshine -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 8:51:48 PM)
I think a "brat" is someone who isn't receiving the discipline and punishment she/he deserves or needs and thus continues to act out in hopes of getting their needs met. It's a natural submissive defense mechanism. A "brat" is an unhappy, unchecked submissive.

mymasterssub69 -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 8:52:12 PM)
i'm a brat only when i have to be with Daddy yet, it's in my nature to be one since i'm the only girl in a military family of 5 and i love getting my way.

Grlwithboy -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 8:54:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos quote: ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos Dom A goes up to Sub b and introduces himself. The typical diatribe of small talk pursues, followed by the submissive playing hard to get, and the poor pathetic Dominant almost begs her to consider him.. Following her around almost like a lost puppy. Then invariably the following occurs.... the submissive outright acts like a brat, and he loves it... he thinks its cute... Oh boy oh boy oh boy, she's a handful... I'm going to have fun taming her LOL... so who's the culprit here? The sex starved Dominant who does nothing but show her that she's in charge by taking the crap, and teaching her nothing more than oh it’s ok.. You’re cute, so I'll pretend like you're not really toping from the bottom, or is it the subs fault for not saying egh, you're no Dom... I could probably have you kneeling in front of me calling me Mistress if I really felt like it, so shoo! I find it amusing and kind of pathetic too, but you know what? 1. it's no skin off my ass, she's not my problem and if I don't like how they play I can choose not to watch 2. it's not really my GD business LOL... Do me a favor... Don't take things so seriously, you'll live longer... I don’t particularly care either, though I do find it humorous to watch. let me tell you a secret... I consider myself a student of human psychology and behavior, and as much as I enjoy watching the dating habits of various lifestyles, including the leather communities, BDSM, vanilla, swingers, and the like, I also find the whole "online" dynamic funny... how a few simple words that aren’t directed at any particular group, or people, by a perfect stranger who is nothing more than a few pixels on a screen tends to insight the most interesting emotions such as the ones I've seen so far :) Thank you all. I've posted about a total of 30 words on this topic. Who's seriously putting in energy? Or is it just not funny when someone's not giving you the response you are clearly fishing for? How's this. "Wow, what a travesty of real submission. I can't believe people play such stupid games - these brat types are awful." Was it as good for you as it was for me?

MasterMonos -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:10:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos quote: ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos Dom A goes up to Sub b and introduces himself. The typical diatribe of small talk pursues, followed by the submissive playing hard to get, and the poor pathetic Dominant almost begs her to consider him.. Following her around almost like a lost puppy. Then invariably the following occurs.... the submissive outright acts like a brat, and he loves it... he thinks its cute... Oh boy oh boy oh boy, she's a handful... I'm going to have fun taming her LOL... so who's the culprit here? The sex starved Dominant who does nothing but show her that she's in charge by taking the crap, and teaching her nothing more than oh it’s ok.. You’re cute, so I'll pretend like you're not really toping from the bottom, or is it the subs fault for not saying egh, you're no Dom... I could probably have you kneeling in front of me calling me Mistress if I really felt like it, so shoo! I find it amusing and kind of pathetic too, but you know what? 1. it's no skin off my ass, she's not my problem and if I don't like how they play I can choose not to watch 2. it's not really my GD business LOL... Do me a favor... Don't take things so seriously, you'll live longer... I don’t particularly care either, though I do find it humorous to watch. let me tell you a secret... I consider myself a student of human psychology and behavior, and as much as I enjoy watching the dating habits of various lifestyles, including the leather communities, BDSM, vanilla, swingers, and the like, I also find the whole "online" dynamic funny... how a few simple words that aren’t directed at any particular group, or people, by a perfect stranger who is nothing more than a few pixels on a screen tends to insight the most interesting emotions such as the ones I've seen so far :) Thank you all. I've posted about a total of 30 words on this topic. Who's seriously putting in energy? Or is it just not funny when someone's not giving you the response you are clearly fishing for? How's this. "Wow, what a travesty of real submission. I can't believe people play such stupid games - these brat types are awful." Was it as good for you as it was for me? LOL... Actually, this was something I wrote up on a blong long ago, then transferred it to my 360 profile on yahoo more recently, and now... I copied and pasted it to here. So as for time, I spent all of oh I think 2 minutes to create this post LOL... However, I'm not the one who felt the need to use the word GD to oh so emphasize my point LOL. Oh that’s right... you must have skipped over the part where I said I'm playing devil’s advocate? And you have no idea what my intentions were for this post... Perhaps it was to get the response you FEEL I wanted you to give me, or perhaps it had something to do with another post you all felt the need to jump all over and get your panties in a bunch over, and this is simply my proving a point.... or maybe I knew that SOME of you "regulars" in here had a pension for getting all bent out of shape over a topic such as this, and I just really wanted to push your buttons and just get you oh so pissed off LOL Again... I thank you... I'm really loving this :)

AquaticSub -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:23:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos LOL... Actually, this was something I wrote up on a blong long ago, then transferred it to my 360 profile on yahoo more recently, and now... I copied and pasted it to here. So as for time, I spent all of oh I think 2 minutes to create this post LOL... However, I'm not the one who felt the need to use the word GD to oh so emphasize my point LOL. Oh that’s right... you must have skipped over the part where I said I'm playing devil’s advocate? And you have no idea what my intentions were for this post... Perhaps it was to get the response you FEEL I wanted you to give me, or perhaps it had something to do with another post you all felt the need to jump all over and get your panties in a bunch over, and this is simply my proving a point.... or maybe I knew that SOME of you "regulars" in here had a pension for getting all bent out of shape over a topic such as this, and I just really wanted to push your buttons and just get you oh so pissed off LOL Again... I thank you... I'm really loving this :) Anybody having flashbacks?

MaryT -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:24:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos [... or maybe I knew that SOME of you "regulars" in here had a pension for getting all bent out of shape over a topic such as this, and I just really wanted to push your buttons and just get you oh so pissed off LOL That would simply make you a troll. quote: Again... I thank you... I'm really loving this :) <yawn> MaryT

beltainefaerie -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:43:05 PM)
I have a submissive that I refer to as my "brat". I find it amusing when she talks back a little, or acts up a little. Perhaps she isn't as bratty as some who choose the label. Basically, to us, it means that she has permission with me to pout, beg, tease and even occasionally whine. She knows when she whines or pouts she is likely to get smacked around and not necessarily with an implement she likes. She needs a safe space to act out a little like a child and to be given boundaries. I don't mind the pushiness of brats, in context. If people behave this way in "real life" it is obnoxious. In scene, she can ask, "Is that as hard as you can hit?" and I am more than likely going to laugh and change how I am hitting her. However, I vary in response. Sometimes I back off and hit softer, almost caressing at that point, just because I like to push her buttons. Other times I hit far harder or pick up an implement that I like and she doesn't really care for. There is a mutually playful spirit in our relationship, which I am not sure comes across well in print. Sometimes she is a very quiet, respectful sub and other times she needs her brat space. I enjoy either way. Also, she is capable of restraining her brattiness when necessary, for it is just a role we enjoy, not an inherent attitude problem. Many people would not find this relationship enjoyable in the slightest, but that is fine. There are so many kinds of people and different relationships work for different folks. I also am submissive and when I am with my Master, that relationship is entirely different. I would NEVER be a brat to Him, for as a sub I am extremely respectful. He would not take well to brattiness and of course my goal is to serve and please Him. Being submissive is really about pleasing your Master or Mistress, in whatever manner is required. My brat's attitude is entertaining to me, so it works for us. edited to add: oops, I actually made an effort to respond, when really the OP just wanted to pick a fight with someone. Ah, wasted time...

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:45:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos Oh that’s right... you must have skipped over the part where I said I'm playing devil’s advocate? Which, by your own words, you may or may not be lying about. I can't see why you won't just come out and honestly state your intentions...unless you're trying to play some "fun" cyber manipulation games. But then, you don't do those, do you? Or you're getting your rocks off on feeling some superiority over making us "leap and dance" and spit fire at your posts? The ending sentence of your OP certainly seems to suggest you are the type of person who enjoys anticipating responses and self-satisfied in being right. quote: And you have no idea what my intentions were for this post... Perhaps it was to get the response you FEEL I wanted you to give me, or perhaps it had something to do with another post you all felt the need to jump all over and get your panties in a bunch over, and this is simply my proving a point.... or maybe I knew that SOME of you "regulars" in here had a pension for getting all bent out of shape over a topic such as this, and I just really wanted to push your buttons and just get you oh so pissed off LOL A) It's penchant. If you're going to attempt to be condescending and mysterious in a cyber forum- at least spell the words right. Pensions are what I help calculate in my job for knowing when people can retire with how much And if you ARE getting your rocks off on all this, then it just means that all your disdain over chatrooms and such IS really all a lie. So you MAY prove yourself to be a liar, but you're certainly proving yourself to be someone who thinks he's some kind of hot stuff because he can type words and delude himself into thinking that because he's getting responses, he somehow is making us all dance to his little tune. Enjoy your little psych experiment here, I could point to a dozen threads where people have tried exactly the same thing as you are. And it's been done for thousands of years in politics.

MasterMonos -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:51:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MaryT quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos [... or maybe I knew that SOME of you "regulars" in here had a pension for getting all bent out of shape over a topic such as this, and I just really wanted to push your buttons and just get you oh so pissed off LOL That would simply make you a troll. quote: Again... I thank you... I'm really loving this :) <yawn> MaryT LMAO... Then what does it make some of you "regulars" in here? Predators? You know.. that term troll is tossed out oh so easily these days... many of you have no problems with sticking that label on anyone that doesn’t fit into your "Click" well lets contemplate shall we? My slave got numerous emails from people saying how this is the exact reason they don’t post on the forums anymore... because they are sick and tired of the good ole boy mentality and the clicks that are on here... so I did some reading... and you know what? Its true.... there are a handful of you that have a very similar MO... a new person comes along, and posts up about what is an otherwise great topic of discussion only to have some of you losers in here who obviously have nothing better to do than to identify with your status on the board as one of the "Regulars" nitpick at the most minute thing... why? To offer constructive views? No because that would involve intelligence... its simply to try to make yourself look good. Example!!!! SirLordTrainer posted a wonderful discussion topic around discipline... he made some wonderful points about his personal observations... and what did you all do? Proceed to pick at the tiniest things you can find that YOU don’t understand to make him look stupid, and therefore make yourself look smart LOL and you call me a troll? There is a difference between disagreeing, and outright stupidity... my post was not directed at anyone... which some didn’t agree with, and offered a counter point, but others saw fit to outright attempt to make me look stupid, as they did my slave, and did nothing but make themselves look ignorant and irate in the process.LOL I simply put it out in the open, and revealed it for what it is LOL. You do a wonderful job disguising ignorance for intelligence LOL. I got my point across, now I'm back off into the shadows... but yes... I protect my property... so be careful next time you "think" you're trying to be cute :)

AquaticSub -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:55:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos I got my point across, now I'm back off into the shadows... but yes... I protect my property... so be careful next time you "think" you're trying to be cute :) Your sub was never under attack. How does this relate to the discussion at hand?

MasterMonos -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:56:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos Oh that’s right... you must have skipped over the part where I said I'm playing devil’s advocate? Which, by your own words, you may or may not be lying about. I can't see why you won't just come out and honestly state your intentions...unless you're trying to play some "fun" cyber manipulation games. But then, you don't do those, do you? Or you're getting your rocks off on feeling some superiority over making us "leap and dance" and spit fire at your posts? The ending sentence of your OP certainly seems to suggest you are the type of person who enjoys anticipating responses and self-satisfied in being right. quote: And you have no idea what my intentions were for this post... Perhaps it was to get the response you FEEL I wanted you to give me, or perhaps it had something to do with another post you all felt the need to jump all over and get your panties in a bunch over, and this is simply my proving a point.... or maybe I knew that SOME of you "regulars" in here had a pension for getting all bent out of shape over a topic such as this, and I just really wanted to push your buttons and just get you oh so pissed off LOL A) It's penchant. If you're going to attempt to be condescending and mysterious in a cyber forum- at least spell the words right. Pensions are what I help calculate in my job for knowing when people can retire with how much And if you ARE getting your rocks off on all this, then it just means that all your disdain over chatrooms and such IS really all a lie. So you MAY prove yourself to be a liar, but you're certainly proving yourself to be someone who thinks he's some kind of hot stuff because he can type words and delude himself into thinking that because he's getting responses, he somehow is making us all dance to his little tune. Enjoy your little psych experiment here, I could point to a dozen threads where people have tried exactly the same thing as you are. And it's been done for thousands of years in politics. LOL... and thank you Miss Oh so wonderful for proving my point yet again... pick at the little things... oh and yes, I know how you work... you're the best out here in trying to pick at the smallest thing... I did a spell check so you wouldn't have an excuse to make youself out to be the oh so wonderful spelling bee champion, but I said why not... let me make a mistake and invite an attack rather than simply saying something like you're pathetic, and leaving it at that... but thank you for proving my point once again LOL You just made my evening :)

MasterMonos -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 9:59:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos I got my point across, now I'm back off into the shadows... but yes... I protect my property... so be careful next time you "think" you're trying to be cute :) Your sub was never under attack. How does this relate to the discussion at hand? This has nothing to do with the topic of discussion as it was originally posted on here, but it accomplished what I intended it to none the less :) and I'm done... good evening... good night, and exit stage left :) muhahahaha

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 10:00:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos that doesn’t fit into your "Click" well lets contemplate shall we? This is one of my peeves- it's "clique." quote: My slave got numerous emails from people saying how this is the exact reason they don’t post on the forums anymore... because they are sick and tired of the good ole boy mentality and the clicks that are on here... so I did some reading... and you know what? Ahhh the good ole days of being a moderator...half the people whining at you at everyone being so "mean to me for not saying it's all ok and I'm a good person" and the other half not understanding why everyone won't follow "the rules of Ds." I know that I get tons of emails from people (almost exclusively people who have been posting less than 6 months) thanking me for my perspectives and challenging them to think beyond where they are now. So- should we follow the people who bitch to you about how mean we all are, or the people who thank me for how aggressive and honest we all are? We're adults in an adult forum. You don't like it? You can either leave, stay and accept it, or stay and try and change it over time. Bitching about it in a private email is pointless and whiny. quote: To offer constructive views? No because that would involve intelligence... its simply to try to make yourself look good. No doubt there are some here with that very intent- rock star divas and doms, subs who curry favor to lay traps for new doms, surely they are always out there. But again- what one person views as being a meanie, another person views as just the right medicine. quote: LOL I simply put it out in the open, and revealed it for what it is LOL. You do a wonderful job disguising ignorance for intelligence LOL. And you think you're making US look bad with all this? That's right- we're all just part of the clique. It's a convenient way to make yourself right no matter what the end result is. The answer couldn't POSSIBLY be that you're the dork in all this mess? quote: I got my point across, now I'm back off into the shadows... but yes... I protect my property... so be careful next time you "think" you're trying to be cute :) Oh yeah, now I'm scared. What was that about cyber spanking earlier? You're monitor is gonna get all red!

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 10:04:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos you're the best out here in trying to pick at the smallest thing We got some good pickers here, I could point out a few who have beaten me to the punch. quote: I did a spell check so you wouldn't have an excuse to make youself out to be the oh so wonderful spelling bee champion, but I said why not... let me make a mistake and invite an attack rather than simply saying something like you're pathetic, and leaving it at that... but thank you for proving my point once again LOL You just made my evening :) So when you said you were going back into the shadows, you meant AFTER you tried to take another potshot at someone specifically? One of course needs to doubt the veracity of your post considering every post prior to that was nothing but petty cyber manipulations (which were very obvious from the start)- considering that "pension" is a real word and not likely spotted by a spellchecker, considering you have several similar phonetic spelling mistakes in all your OTHER posts which I failed to point out, and that surely someone as smart as you seem to think you are would have realized that the gain in taking a potshot at me for my penchant for spelling accuracy would be nothing compared to the loss you would take in attempting an insult and using completely the wrong word for it. Oh and I'm afraid I only came in 7th in the county spelling bee.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 10:09:22 PM)
Hmm for those who may wish to have further context of this issue, please refer to this thread, which Monos' slave began and which Monos interjected. After many pages of discussion in which Monos' slave lashed out due to feeling attacked, Monos and the slave apologized for their behavior. http://www.collarchat.com/m_735662/mpage_9/key_/tm.htm#736527 One can assume that in the time since then, they have since possibly changed their minds about those apologies, or were never sincere with them to begin with.

MstrssScarlet -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 10:11:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beltainefaerie I have a submissive that I refer to as my "brat". I find it amusing when she talks back a little, or acts up a little. Perhaps she isn't as bratty as some who choose the label. Basically, to us, it means that she has permission with me to pout, beg, tease and even occasionally whine. She knows when she whines or pouts she is likely to get smacked around and not necessarily with an implement she likes. She needs a safe space to act out a little like a child and to be given boundaries. I don't mind the pushiness of brats, in context. If people behave this way in "real life" it is obnoxious. In scene, she can ask, "Is that as hard as you can hit?" and I am more than likely going to laugh and change how I am hitting her. However, I vary in response. Sometimes I back off and hit softer, almost caressing at that point, just because I like to push her buttons. Other times I hit far harder or pick up an implement that I like and she doesn't really care for. There is a mutually playful spirit in our relationship, which I am not sure comes across well in print. Sometimes she is a very quiet, respectful sub and other times she needs her brat space. I enjoy either way. Also, she is capable of restraining her brattiness when necessary, for it is just a role we enjoy, not an inherent attitude problem. Many people would not find this relationship enjoyable in the slightest, but that is fine. There are so many kinds of people and different relationships work for different folks. I also am submissive and when I am with my Master, that relationship is entirely different. I would NEVER be a brat to Him, for as a sub I am extremely respectful. He would not take well to brattiness and of course my goal is to serve and please Him. Being submissive is really about pleasing your Master or Mistress, in whatever manner is required. My brat's attitude is entertaining to me, so it works for us. I'm coming into this conversation a bit late, so I'm going to swerve the argument going on. I just wanted to say THANK YOU to beltainefaerie for posting this. I too have a male submissive (my only personal male sub in fact) and he acts EXACTLY the way she describes her sub. The first time we met was at an event and we were both attending alone. A mutual friend introduced us and we went to dinner before the play party started. We had a wonderful conversation and played together afterward. He warned me ahead of time that he was a brat and I decided to play with him anyway just to see what he was like. Well, I've never laughed so hard in all my life! I generally go for the very intense scenes and this one was a refreshing change. I have a female domme friend who watched us play for the first time recently and she thought he was a terrible sub because of his behaviour during play. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He's a very light hearted and good natured person and would do absolutely anything for me. He does, however, enjoy pushing buttons. I have grown to enjoy the humorous banter that results from this and collared him over the summer. Of course, there is always a price to be paid for being a brat and he knows it's coming whenever we get together. He truly is the best submissive I've ever had. Mistress Scarlet

MaryT -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 10:21:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMonos LMAO... Then what does it make some of you "regulars" in here? Predators? You know.. that term troll is tossed out oh so easily these days... Your statement: "... or maybe I knew that SOME of you "regulars" in here had a pension for getting all bent out of shape over a topic such as this, and I just really wanted to push your buttons and just get you oh so pissed off LOL" fits the very definition of troll: ". . . a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others." You described yourself as a troll with your own words. quote: My slave got numerous emails from people saying how this is the exact reason they don’t post on the forums anymore... because they are sick and tired of the good ole boy mentality and the clicks that are on here... The lurkers support you in email. Goody. quote: I got my point across, now I'm back off into the shadows... but yes... I protect my property... so be careful next time you "think" you're trying to be cute :) Oh, that is just so very scary. You must be a really strong, domle dom to be so brave and daring! <yawn> MaryT

MasterMonos -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 10:25:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Hmm for those who may wish to have further context of this issue, please refer to this thread, which Monos' slave began and which Monos interjected. After many pages of discussion in which Monos' slave lashed out due to feeling attacked, Monos and the slave apologized for their behavior. http://www.collarchat.com/m_735662/mpage_9/key_/tm.htm#736527 One can assume that in the time since then, they have since possibly changed their minds about those apologies, or were never sincere with them to begin with. LMAO... ok... I honestly cant resist.. this is too much fun... I never apologized to you LOL.. you're really pathetic... No I'm not a perfect speller... and I never said I was the most intellectual person out there, but at least I'm not pathetic like you and others out there like you who seem to have no life whatsoever, and who's life revolves around your identification of self through your online persona... otherwise why would you have 8300 or something posts on here... but thats ok.. you have to be a "special" person online to make yourself feel better and you obviously dont have a life thats more important than waiting for the next post to jump on and offer your oh so look at me I'm so smart I post a link on every single topic out there to show that I'm the best out here LOL. Bye bye losers.

unsung -> RE: What is a brat? (12/25/2006 10:26:38 PM)
LuckyAlbatross, I read back on the thread you posted and my interpretation is in fact she was attacked within a few responses of her initial post. There seems to be a slight of hand on this board, those of us that have been here for some time and those that are relatively new. It is a continium of insults when some one addresses an issue in which they have concern, and really in essence is insulting. The OP in that thread had justifiable reason to feel under attack because that is exactly what occured.

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