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RE: Branding - 12/30/2006 10:47:40 PM   
Noah


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You're lucky.  Have you read the horror stories about those who have tried using paperclips for strike branding? 


You want to swap stories? Caustic chemical burns? Electrical burns?

I work construction, AK. Guys get cut and burned every single day under highly unsanitary conditions and usually with no first aid beyond a torn piece of their t-shirt taped over the hole if they're doing finish work where the blood stains will matter. Later, at home, you might scrub it out or dump some peroxide or some triple antibiotic ointment on it. You might even put on a real bandage that you know full well is going to have fallen off before morning coffee break tomorrow. Some guys go with an internal application of alcohol just to be on the safe side. It just depends.

Somehow we all keep coming back to work the next day even though we didn't take four months of how-to-hurt-yourself training and/or hire a professional to perform our injury.

Having finished a shift after taking a sixteen penny nail (air drive) through a finger I'm having trouble working myself into a lather about what somebody did with a paper clip. I mean did they dip it in rattlesnake venom and poke it through a cornea or what?





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RE: Branding - 12/30/2006 10:54:22 PM   
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Having finished a shift after taking a sixteen penny nail (air drive) through a finger I'm having trouble working myself into a lather about what somebody did with a paper clip. I mean did they dip it in rattlesnake venom and poke it through a cornea or what?



    

*grabs sides and digs nails into skin, whilst laughing wildly*

Noah, I beg you, please!  I'll never get to sleep if you don't stop making me laugh!

~ gets a nasty bruise from falling out of chair while laughing ~ 

Hey, does this violate the OSHA regs?  LOL.....

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RE: Branding - 12/30/2006 10:58:58 PM   
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Having finished a shift after taking a sixteen penny nail (air drive) through a finger I'm having trouble working myself into a lather about what somebody did with a paper clip. I mean did they dip it in rattlesnake venom and poke it through a cornea or what?



    

... and digs nails into skin, ...



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RE: Branding - 12/30/2006 11:02:09 PM   
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You're lucky.  Have you read the horror stories about those who have tried using paperclips for strike branding? 


You want to swap stories? Caustic chemical burns? Electrical burns?

I work construction, AK. Guys get cut and burned every single day under highly unsanitary conditions and usually with no first aid beyond a torn piece of their t-shirt taped over the hole if they're doing finish work where the blood stains will matter. Later, at home, you might scrub it out or dump some peroxide or some triple antibiotic ointment on it. You might even put on a real bandage that you know full well is going to have fallen off before morning coffee break tomorrow. Some guys go with an internal application of alcohol just to be on the safe side. It just depends.

Somehow we all keep coming back to work the next day even though we didn't take four months of how-to-hurt-yourself training and/or hire a professional to perform our injury.

Having finished a shift after taking a sixteen penny nail (air drive) through a finger I'm having trouble working myself into a lather about what somebody did with a paper clip. I mean did they dip it in rattlesnake venom and poke it through a cornea or what?

I don't have any links, but I read some horror stories about a year ago.  I gave up on the idea of doing it withou a cautery pen, which is what pros use.  It's great that some people do fine when maimed with nail guns, branded with screw drivers and so on, but since this is an erotic activity let's not encourage what is usually an unsafe method since blood tends to leave the brain for other areas when thinking of it.  I was tempted to try a woodburning tool at one point myself.  This is a very edgy activity, so I reccomend educating yourself before diving in. 

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RE: Branding - 12/30/2006 11:23:31 PM   
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I don't have any links, but I read some horror stories about a year ago.  I gave up on the idea of doing it withou a cautery pen, which is what pros use.  It's great that some people do fine when maimed with nail guns, branded with screw drivers and so on, but since this is an erotic activity let's not encourage what is usually an unsafe method since blood tends to leave the brain for other areas when thinking of it.  I was tempted to try a woodburning tool at one point myself.  This is a very edgy activity, so I reccomend educating yourself before diving in. 



I think the odds of someone here branding someone with a screwdriver because I encouraged them are about as high as the odds of someone refraining from doing so because you discouraged them.

I know that corporations like to put "harmful or fatal if swallowed" stickers on wheelbarrows and I 'm cool with that. But when people start thinking that this sort if thing should be a guide for how actual human grown-ups interact with one another I think it is kind of silly.

But you do what works for you and I'll stay out of your way.






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RE: Branding - 12/30/2006 11:45:22 PM   
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I don't have any links, but I read some horror stories about a year ago.  I gave up on the idea of doing it withou a cautery pen, which is what pros use.  It's great that some people do fine when maimed with nail guns, branded with screw drivers and so on, but since this is an erotic activity let's not encourage what is usually an unsafe method since blood tends to leave the brain for other areas when thinking of it.  I was tempted to try a woodburning tool at one point myself.  This is a very edgy activity, so I reccomend educating yourself before diving in. 



I think the odds of someone here branding someone with a screwdriver because I encouraged them are about as high as the odds of someone refraining from doing so because you discouraged them.

I know that corporations like to put "harmful or fatal if swallowed" stickers on wheelbarrows and I 'm cool with that. But when people start thinking that this sort if thing should be a guide for how actual human grown-ups interact with one another I think it is kind of silly.

But you do what works for you and I'll stay out of your way.

Actually if a ton of people posted what you did, I might done somthing more daring or dangerous.  I found alot of posts by people who had complications when doing brandings, rather than semi-invincible construction workers.  I find the activity really hot though, no pun intended.  Well maybe a little one.  I love those warning stickers though they are hillarious.  The Japanese ones are the best.  They show fingers flying off of a person's hand, etc.

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RE: Branding - 12/31/2006 3:04:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP whit all due respect, have you ever considerd that it is named a wood burning tool becouse it is inteded to burn wood. And wood and leather is alot different from human skin. I have a wood decoractions kit, it is for making decorations on wood and leather and it would make pretty little symbols and marks on that but not on skin, skin it would just ingure.

In my opinion any body modification should be done by a professional. Even somthing as simple as pircing my ears i got trubble whit when i did it myself. i made two rows of holes for erings up my ears, five holes in all in edition to the ones already there on eatch side, the holes eded up taking months to heal, got infected and ended a bit uneven, i was lucky, they did not turn out half bad, but never again, the next time i am doing anything to my body to decorate it permanently i am going to a profesional.

Now a brand is alot more serious then a tiny little hole in the erelobe, and i would definitly not do it on a living person`s skin whit just instructions from a forum like this. And if you wish to mark your submissive, would you not like the mark to be pretty, dont take unessesary risks is my recomendation, take her to a professional.

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RE: Branding - 12/31/2006 5:52:16 PM   
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That is way too dangerous to do without a professional. Period.


I used a screwdriver heated on the gas stove and a year and a half later the world still hasn't come to an end.


I take a different view of that. You were LUCKY nothing happened. Likely it wasn't hot enough for a real brand even if it did scar.

I know people who brand and pierce for a living, so I know full well the importance of using some one who is trained. They have to apprentice to do those things. You don't hand a branding iron to a person off the street for a reason.

As a submissive, I would have a HUGE problem with a dominant who wouldn't place my safety among his or her high priorities in scene related play. It's safe, sane and consensual for a reason.

Nothing personal there, it's just something I would think a person is crazy for doing on their own without proper safety precautions.


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RE: Branding - 12/31/2006 8:20:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		well heres a bit of thought to add to all the hipe. a persons skin type and complextion will effect the formation of the scar/brand.. some skin typed form keloids a rather unattractive  form of scaring. as to the types of things used to make  brands on human skin.. I DONT recomend a wood burning tool !!!! plain old steel or better yet iron is about perfect. After all its hard to have a reaction to an element your blood is made up of.... As for the stainless crowd.. well last time I checked I dont have any nickel ,chromuim, and other kinda exotic metals  in my cellular  make up to speak of..
so in my humble opinion.. plain steel if king for branding irons..
also  ther is a certin thermodynamic law about mass and retained heat.. kinds go's like this
Any thing slow to heat is slow to cool... you dont want a half cold iron to brand with.. neither do you need it glowing  in any way if you want to see any form of details!
human skin is fairly soft stuff.. an ember from burning paper will  burn it.. and paper burns at 451 degrees  F.  so when your up to say 600-1000 your gonna leave a mark!!
And by the way I have branded humans  befor.. so this  opinion id based on my experience. Not to say in any way , that I'm an expert. just what I  have learned. 

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RE: Branding - 12/31/2006 8:51:22 PM   
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I take a different view of that. You were LUCKY nothing happened. Likely it wasn't hot enough for a real brand even if it did scar.


I'm not sure where you got the notion that nothing happened. A nice brand of my monogram happened. A spiritual bond was deepened. There was some sizzling and some great screaming too, as I recall. And a long interval of caring for the wound.

But maybe if a tree falls in the forest and it is not felled by a certified professional woodchopper, nothing happens... where you come from.

So anyway it turns out to be not a real, twue brand, huh? (Plated) screwdriver girl is gonna be so hurt when I tell her. But that's cool. I'm into emotional sadism too.

Do you and your pals subcontract that kind of work also? Cause, you know, it's dangerous.

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I know people who brand and pierce for a living, so I know full well the importance of using some one who is trained. They have to apprentice to do those things. You don't hand a branding iron to a person off the street for a reason.


I know people who apprenticed to fix cars and motorcycles, or work some other trade for a living. And I know people who fix cars and motorcycles for a living who didn't apprentice, or who work at other trades, like I do, on the same basis. Your acquaintances didn't have to apprentice. They chose to. It is one good way to go, unless it happens to be a shit apprenticeship.

I never apprenticed for anything but outside of my own trade I've done engine swaps and top-end rebuilds, torn transmissions apart, put them back together and ridden or driven them across a few states the next day.

I guess I was lucky. Because, as you suggest, successful accomplishments are no indication of competence. You have to have a certificate on the wall desktop published by some cat who runs a tattoo parlor, if you wanna be really, truely competent.

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As a submissive, I would have a HUGE problem with a dominant who wouldn't place my safety among his or her high priorities in scene related play. It's safe, sane and consensual for a reason.


I haven't even a little doubt that as a submissive you have HUGE problems, honey.

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Nothing personal there, it's just something I would think a person is crazy for doing on their own without proper safety precautions.


Nothing personal here, either (tacking on that claim seems to make it true, where you come from; that's interesting) ... except my wishes for a stultifyingly safe New Year for you.



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RE: Branding - 1/1/2007 6:24:27 AM   
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Noah, it's really refreshing when adults can have a difference of opinion without making it personal or being immature. It's a shame you haven't done that because it ended what could have been a healthy debate where we could both learn from each other. I don't know why you feel the need to act like that unless you think it's clever or something. The net isn't great for conveying meaning, so maybe you didn't mean to sound like such a jerk.

Glad you had a great experience with your screwdriver brand. That's cool. Truely. I still think you were lucky, though.

I just like to be cautious when something that *could* potentially cause permanent damage is done. It's doesn't mean that I don't take risks ever, I just do it with an eye to precautions.

We are not into branding, but I have nothing against people that are. As I said, I have friends who do it for a living. Knowing those people, I know what can go wrong in such an instance. I'm not the only person on this thread saying to be careful, but for some reason, you seem to have singled me out.

The fact that you have to insinuate things about my relationships or sex life is really sad. I'm owned by one master for nearly seven years. Screwed up people don't have relationships that long. I also am loaned out to a female dominant on a regular basis who couldn't be more pleased with me. The fact that I make my master proud of me is enough for me. I have nothing to prove to you. It's just unfortunate that you can't make well-articulated point (and I know it's not a factor of intelligence as you seem intelligent) without weakening it by being nasty.

I'm just going to agree to disagree with you here because I'm not going to get into a flame war. We can debate like adults on here.


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RE: Branding - 1/3/2007 7:54:30 PM   
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Noah, it's really refreshing when adults can have a difference of opinion without making it personal or being immature. It's a shame you haven't done that because it ended what could have been a healthy debate where we could both learn from each other. I don't know why you feel the need to act like that unless you think it's clever or something. The net isn't great for conveying meaning, so maybe you didn't mean to sound like such a jerk.

Glad you had a great experience with your screwdriver brand. That's cool. Truely. I still think you were lucky, though.

I just like to be cautious when something that *could* potentially cause permanent damage is done. It's doesn't mean that I don't take risks ever, I just do it with an eye to precautions.

We are not into branding, but I have nothing against people that are. As I said, I have friends who do it for a living. Knowing those people, I know what can go wrong in such an instance. I'm not the only person on this thread saying to be careful, but for some reason, you seem to have singled me out.

The fact that you have to insinuate things about my relationships or sex life is really sad. I'm owned by one master for nearly seven years. Screwed up people don't have relationships that long. I also am loaned out to a female dominant on a regular basis who couldn't be more pleased with me. The fact that I make my master proud of me is enough for me. I have nothing to prove to you. It's just unfortunate that you can't make well-articulated point (and I know it's not a factor of intelligence as you seem intelligent) without weakening it by being nasty.

I'm just going to agree to disagree with you here because I'm not going to get into a flame war. We can debate like adults on here.



If you think the truth spoken nastily is less true for that, you're working with an epistemology I'm not familiar with.

But for heaven's sake. "Like adults." You sure do have someof those classic, disingenuous adult riffs down pat. You appoint yourself the arbiter "real" branding; cast aspersions about the motivations of people whose standards of safety differ from yours, to the point of calling people mentally ill (and tacking on "nothing personal"--I mean what could be personal about calling someone crazy?) And when you get called on it then you put on your Ms Manners hat.

I'm so fucking impressed with your sense of tactical decorum. Please.

One of the risks I try to manage is that of relinquishing opportunities for rewarding experiences for no better reason than the Chicken Little mewling of the Safety Police, or self-serving "warnings" from people who stand to make more money the higher the ambient level of unreasonable fear of things like branding. Branding is unsafe and no amount of training or precaution will eliminate the risk.

Love and sex are risky too. I'm content to let others decide which of these they'll farm out to hired help, but happy to share facts which fly in the face of popular misconceptions. As for refreshing, I find straightforward criticism refreshing as compared to passive-aggressive sniping and faux-courtesy. Once again I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.



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RE: Branding - 1/4/2007 12:38:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Noah, your posts made me chuckle and feel nauseous at the same time.

You got skillz.

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RE: Branding - 1/4/2007 1:12:57 AM   
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I guess I was lucky. Because, as you suggest, successful accomplishments are no indication of competence.



The problem is a lot of people here would consider branding yourself with a screwdriver or driving a nail through your finger an unsuccessful endeaver.  They're not willing to take such risks to achieve what they want (note that none of them are oldschool construction workers), and the ones that are, are probably too afraid to say they take such risks (in context to BDSM) in fear of appearing like a cyber fake although I doubt there's too many of these.  There's a risk exposure (chance of occurance * degree of loss) in everything and needlessly increasing that in an activity one is pursuing is probably one of the basises of foolishness especially when there's no increase in expected gain.  I don't especially disagree with the core of what you say, but the way you put your ideas accross are certainly hard to swallow for the people around you.

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RE: Branding - 1/4/2007 6:23:34 AM   
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In my opinion any body modification should be done by a professional. Even somthing as simple as pircing my ears i got trubble whit when i did it myself. i made two rows of holes for erings up my ears, five holes in all in edition to the ones already there on eatch side, the holes eded up taking months to heal, got infected and ended a bit uneven, i was lucky, they did not turn out half bad, but never again, the next time i am doing anything to my body to decorate it permanently i am going to a profesional.


If you realized just how little some "professional" body piercers actually knew, you'd probably never get anything else done again With the popularity of body piercing in the late 90's, all sorts of people got into it to make a quick buck. Some even went so far as to forge diplomas from the "schools" of piercing. The ones who take it seriously and have significant medical knowledge are harder to find. And don't forget, this is a relatively young industry (albeit with ancient roots)... most of the people i would consider to be the real "pros" didn't HAVE anyone to learn from (i don't think Fakir Musafar ever apprenticed for anything).

For the OP, a woodburning pen will scar, as will a soldering iron, but a cautery pen is the right tool for the job, and can be purchased on-line for less than $20. i myself am a major cheapass, but not when it comes to tools or permanent mods. If you're set on a "strike" brand, a propane blowtorch is the usual method of heating the wire (and as mentioned, remember, it will expand, expand, expand!). Despite generally agreeing with Noah's take on the matter of "safety police", i would advise against plated metals, and acquire some stainless wire or thin stainless sheet metal (retains heat and shape better, but is harder to work) for the form (i still remember carefully removing the sewing needle that i used to pierce my nipples in high school and leaving the chrome plating behind... ugh).

Cheers,

...dave

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RE: Branding - 1/4/2007 6:50:23 AM   
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But for heaven's sake. "Like adults." You sure do have someof those classic, disingenuous adult riffs down pat. You appoint yourself the arbiter "real" branding; cast aspersions about the motivations of people whose standards of safety differ from yours, to the point of calling people mentally ill (and tacking on "nothing personal"--I mean what could be personal about calling someone crazy?) And when you get called on it then you put on your Ms Manners hat.

I'm so fucking impressed with your sense of tactical decorum. Please.

One of the risks I try to manage is that of relinquishing opportunities for rewarding experiences for no better reason than the Chicken Little mewling of the Safety Police, or self-serving "warnings" from people who stand to make more money the higher the ambient level of unreasonable fear of things like branding. Branding is unsafe and no amount of training or precaution will eliminate the risk.

Love and sex are risky too. I'm content to let others decide which of these they'll farm out to hired help, but happy to share facts which fly in the face of popular misconceptions. As for refreshing, I find straightforward criticism refreshing as compared to passive-aggressive sniping and faux-courtesy. Once again I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.


I agree, no amount of training will remove the inherent risks of branding. It isn't like tatoos where you need at least a moderate amount of natural skill in art. Hell I know a Tatoo guy (not an artist) that if he didn't have a stencil he would be SOL. I do not go there cause I know better but he's been in business over 10yrs so whats that tell ya. I am really starting to dislike that damn SS&C creed, what if anything we do falls in the catagory of safe? all of wiitwd has risks, some people are in the lifestyle just because of the risk involved with edge play.

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RE: Branding - 1/4/2007 7:10:09 AM   
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plain old steel or better yet iron is about perfect. After all its hard to have a reaction to an element your blood is made up of.... As for the stainless crowd.. well last time I checked I dont have any nickel ,chromuim, and other kinda exotic metals  in my cellular  make up to speak of..
so in my humble opinion.. plain steel if king for branding irons..


Um... actually the human body contains LOTS of metals (including the ones you listed) and other oddball elements in trace amounts, in a very delicate balance. Most of them will kill you were they to get into your bloodstream in any kind of measurable quantity (potassium, anyone?).
http://web2.airmail.net/uthman/elements_of_body.html
Stainless and titanium are used for surgical tools of all descriptions, as well as for implants (pins to repair shattered bones, etc). While i can't think of any particular reason not to use mild steel for a brand (maybe a minor risk of iron oxide particles being transferred into the wound), there's certainly no reason not to use stainless.

...dave


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RE: Branding - 1/4/2007 9:46:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes your right ... theres no reason not to use them , and the reverse is true also.. no reason to have to use them either.  I have oh so many times heard it told  that stainless was the ONLY  way to go.  Just was saying ,it ain't necessarily so.

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RE: Branding - 1/4/2007 5:01:02 PM   
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Noah, your posts made me chuckle and feel nauseous at the same time.

You got skillz.

~grinning~


Aw, cut it out. I got enough fetishes without developing one for stuttering subbies.

Hey, if the nausea starts peaking, do try to get to a chuckle bucket. And remember: the acids in regurgitant can harm tooth enamel. If that's your kink, the only SSC thing to do is go to the mall and pay the dude from the tattoo kiosk to talk to God on the big white phone for you. He (the tattoolian, not God) has a stainless steel toothbrush velcroed to his leather jockstrap and years of training by the end of which he completely mastered the highly esoteric brush, rinse, spit protocol. Not that you can tell by looking at his teeth.

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RE: Branding - 1/4/2007 5:29:52 PM   
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The problem is a lot of people here would consider branding yourself with a screwdriver or driving a nail through your finger an unsuccessful endeaver. 


Yeah! I'm liking this post so far.

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They're not willing to take such risks to achieve what they want (note that none of them are oldschool construction workers),


Hey everybody can decide how far they wanna reach outside of their own comfort zone. It is true that some may call me an edge player. I've actually read a couple of those John Norman "novels" front to back. 


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... and the ones that are, are probably too afraid to say they take such risks (in context to BDSM) in fear of appearing like a cyber fake although I doubt there's too many of these.


Mmhmm. I can relate. Like I totally keep my nose-picking kink on the DL


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There's a risk exposure (chance of occurance * degree of loss) in everything and needlessly increasing that in an activity one is pursuing is probably one of the basises of foolishness especially when there's no increase in expected gain.
 

Now there is a somebody talking straightforwardly about risks and risk management without hiding behind empty slogans or calling people not real/dangerous/crazy for choosing in favor of what he chooses against.
And I think you've hit on a crucial point seldom explored in discussions like this.

A given activity will have different meanings for different people. If you find yourself in a small plane a couple thousand feet up, there are at least a few different ways to get back to your TV and easy-chair. For a lot of people, jumping out the door of that plane sounds pretty foolish. The experience of free-fall (with or without a chute ride afterward) just doesn't mean "increase in expected gain" for them.

Hell, going up as a passenger in a small plane is a hard limit for a lot of people in the first place. And I expect there are plenty of Safety Police on some message board eager to cite imaginary statistics about what a bad idea it is.

If parachuting or amateur branding or kissing on the first date doesn't compute for you (whomever), risk-wise then steer clear. Furthermore, if you know of actual risk factors associated with any of those activities and want to share your knowledge, I'm all in favor of your speaking up.

If you want to post about how any Dom who "feels the need" to kiss on the first date doesn't have the best interest of his partner at heart, and that said partner is insane for kissing on the first date rather than paying someone to do it for them because there is irrefutable evidence that everyone who has ever kissed on the date has died or eventually will... well then you're in line for a free Safety Policeman badge from me, and I'll stick it on whereever I want and I won't sterilize it first.

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I don't especially disagree with the core of what you say, but the way you put your ideas accross are certainly hard to swallow for the people around you.


You sound like an intelligent, level-headed person. Thanks for sharing your opinion. I'll be looking for your posts.

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