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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/30/2006 6:54:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: catfood

oh dear. after reading this i have got to say: TPE please refrain from the navel pondering and get on with it.  frankly...the "good old days" were not all that good, it was a hell of a lot more difficult to find like minded humans. now, at the click of a mouse, you have access to hundreds, nay thousands of subs seeking doms (oh dear, no capital D, somebody call the bdsm police!).  the internet has been a boon to kinky folk (generic term, fill in your fav descriptor).  what you choose to do with it is entirely up to you.  btw, your profile is fine, but you apparently aren't willing to list your showstoppers, and instead give generalities like "intelligent, independent, need to serve," and a few other vague criteria.  the only defined criterion that i found you will not humor is obesity  (that didn't come off too well, btw).  many "conditions" were general and obvious, irrespective of the D/s nature of the proposed relationship.  in fact, if we remove all references to D/s, you spend the bulk of your time describing what anyone would expect from a partner in a healthy relationship.

so, give some of these prospective partners a chance, in real life.  go have coffee, tea, soda pop, whatever.  and let's not forget, we all have less than stellar traits.  learning to merge two imperfect humans and create something wherein the sum is greater than its parts...now that is what it is all about to me.  i wish you well.

ps - LTRsubNW, please feel free to edit, you had me pissing myself with your post!!! kudos!!!!


Catfood, I'd like to reply, but I haven't a clue what you are getting at.  My point about the old days was that we have substituted quantity for quality.  As for my profile, I put in what I meant to put in, and chose to focus on what I am looking for, not showstoppers.  I know the qualities I find appealing in a partner and everything else is negotiable, and that's what I meant to say.  Your criticism of the "obesity" statement is well founded.  It doesn't come off well and I appreciate your poining it out.  I will change it.  As for what anyone would expect in a healthy relationship...that's what I'm looking for.  A healthy relationship, so I will keep it the way it is.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/30/2006 11:47:14 PM   
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After reading all four pages (so far) of this thread, I must say it's very interesting. Thanks to the OP for posting the start, and for everybody else's opinions.

My personal experience as a sub can be summed up as:

Ten years ago -- Abused in marriage. Cheated on. Hopelessly mired (or so I thought) in my own inability to value myself. Certainly not decent relationship material.

Three years ago -- Having worked on most of my issues and become a better person, felt ready to start dating again. Discovered I was kinky. I got taken advantage of in the kinky world again because I was too new to realize that submissive does not equal masochist. And got 'mentored' by a selfish bastard calling himself a Dominant who in reality thought that kink = sex on demand.

April 2006 -- Realizing I was unhappy after ten years of being both single and celibate, and that I didn't want to live the rest of my life that way, I sat down and did some serious thinking. I decided what I *needed* in a relationship (the stuff that would make me happy and fulfilled) and what I *wanted* (icing on the cake) and decided what I would like but could live without. After looking at the list, I felt despair because the total combination of what I couldn't live without was so rare I didn't think I'd ever find anybody that I'd be happy with. And I knew that I'd had enough of being miserable, so being happy was very important to me.

My list of absolutes:

Nice guy/gentleman
within 15 years older than I am
Understands me (I have a cognitive disorder, which makes me, well, different)
Non-smoker (I have asthma and cigarettes is one of my triggers)
Geek, preferably a RenFair/SCA type geek
Dominant, non-masochist
Local (within 20 miles)

People I trusted within the kinky community here told me that I was an idiot, that I was being far too 'picky', that /nobody/ would be able to give me what I wanted, and that I ought to re-think everything if I ever wanted to have a relationship.

I stuck to my guns. I believed there was somebody out there for me and I was sure I wouldn't have to give up who I was and what I wanted in order to have a relationship. Been there, done that. If I was going to get into a relationship again, it would be with the understanding that I would be able to be myself, not constantly having to be somebody else.

I was right! The dominant I'm with now is perfect for me in every way and I've never been happier. We've been together for 8 months, met here in March 2006, met in person in June. Been seeing each other ever since. Why did it take that long? Because both of us were doing the whole 'once bit, twice shy' thing and I was moving in the middle of that and the time was, well, what it was.

If I hadn't been 'picky' I would never have found the man that I was meant to be with. If I hadn't taken the time via IM and email to get to know him (and text works for me because I can't see body language, so all that stuff about smiles and eye contact and so forth is lost on me) I wouldn't have been comfortable meeting him face to face.

I am all about taking as much time as you need to get comfortable. I am also all for figuring out what you really cannot live without and waiting it out until somebody comes along who can give you what you want. And not settling for less.

Oh -- and the gent who is now my dominant was a smoker when I met him face to face. Two weeks later, he quit. And I didn't ask him to do it :) Things have a way of working out in the end. He told me he smoked right away, and if I'd kicked him to the curb right then I would have missed out on the best romantic relationship I've ever had. Sometimes faith and trust has a large part to play too.


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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 12:10:16 AM   
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I would like to apologize to all on the forum.  I have a bad temper and add to it my roller coaster mood swings, caused by Bi Polar.  I can "lose my temper and flame very quickly and the next day regret it.  Normally I control it but my meds are messed up and I can't get to the Dr. for another month. 

The one incident you mentioned was a Dom who wanted to met me said he believed in the old school rules of etiquite and I was to come prepared to adhere to them.  Some of the things he said just gave me pause the longer I thought of thm.  I was to pay to fly to Chicago, I was to stay w/ him for a week I would service him as he directed, I was to be nude the entire time, I could be traded at will, all my money went to him, I just did not like the sound of these before a collar was placed so told him I was not what he was looking for.

The first question I had posted seveal months ago probably under heading of How Long Do You wait?  My reasons for asking were more to confirm my belief's then to actually need to be told what to do,  or to be told how silly acting I am, as you did not have the whole story.

But I just wanted to say i was wrong for flaming the majority of you at random as I did.  I had had a terrible day dealing with really stupid self centered wanna be Doms.  My family, and my sons cat.  Please accept my apology.


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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 12:44:34 AM   
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Generally it seems like men aren't very picky, and women are.  I think as a male it's worth considering that maybe instead of being bothered that women are so picky, maybe it's time to set some higher standards ourselves.  Since men are less picky, for a woman to get a man (of grab bag quality) it's probably as easy as falling off a log.  For us males, it's much harder to find someone.  Maybe it's best to consider that if hooking up is harder for men, we ought to make it count when we do.  Anyhow, if we men have lower standards aren't we in effect being the submissive ones and simply accepting what a woman gives us rather than defining what we want and accepting nothing less?  For the dominant males at least, I see the irony in that.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 1:59:41 AM   
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I'm not sure which males you're hanging out with but the majority of the ones I've met can be put into 2 classifications.

#1 is all out for sex. They just want a hole to stick it in and if it's in a kinky situation all the better. They don't care about the person, just the hole and any one will do.

#2 is all out for D/s. They are VERY picky. They aren't willing to take just anyone. They want a submissive who fits their list of needs, not just a hole.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 2:25:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sublizzie

I'm not sure which males you're hanging out with but the majority of the ones I've met can be put into 2 classifications.

#1 is all out for sex. They just want a hole to stick it in and if it's in a kinky situation all the better. They don't care about the person, just the hole and any one will do.

#2 is all out for D/s. They are VERY picky. They aren't willing to take just anyone. They want a submissive who fits their list of needs, not just a hole.



So true  so true

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 2:30:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sublizzie

I'm not sure which males you're hanging out with but the majority of the ones I've met can be put into 2 classifications.

#1 is all out for sex. They just want a hole to stick it in and if it's in a kinky situation all the better. They don't care about the person, just the hole and any one will do.

#2 is all out for D/s. They are VERY picky. They aren't willing to take just anyone. They want a submissive who fits their list of needs, not just a hole.


I might suggest that you  might you need to change your methods of finding prospectives...not all are like that.

I am sure if one were to say that about women there would be an uproar would there not?

But then again this is your perception based on your personal experiences so you have a valid point.

Ross

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 2:33:47 AM   
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To be honest with you...

I,m sick of looking for people to love.
If you hadn't noticed as you look for people on here.

When the world love comes in its the same way around.
Either you don't fit the bill, or it was never about love.


Rite now i,m just considering looking for those holes.
Because all the ones that talk, talk to much...

I mean love is something you feel.
Something you try to trust..

But in this cage of broken winged doves.

I keep getting, thanks for building me up by being real.
Good bye....

  The truth is no one here may know what they have.

Seeing a bland definition of Dominance over a person.
Never for what makes it work ,
the reality of who they are.

To be honest I have an easier time looking for that woman who
will simply let go and enjoy what I have to offer.

I,ve always found myself going back in my own time.
Looking threw all I,ve had to experience.
Remembering all the people from here.

Some times its just honesty when they leave.
At other times its a childlike fear or bull.

You can play the Mr Dom all you want.

Everything going fine at first.

Then bring up the word relationship,
And Its just like playing with old sticks of dynamite.
 
I haven't lost hope of finding some one real.
A person who is close enough and desires to stay.

Some one who will care in their hearts.
   And, "no I don't think that makes me week! "

How ever ,Being honest with my lust...
If I Wasn't honest about it, Why would I be here?...

This is a site for A lifestyle including sex.

We know what we want,Or at least think we do.

  So take it as it comes.
Its the same with dating.

One big pool to fish from.
And yet only one girl thats real enough for you.

Problem is we all go at it full steam from the start.
And well this is just a dating game.

The real connections come in time and with patience.
With that real connection and honesty.

Thats all I want in the end.
  Just to be honest, and thats why i,m here.

Beyond that I wont promise perfection.
Just enforce my real self in all this.
Firm hand and all.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 7:20:00 AM   
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Actually I'm looking for a #2 kind of person. I want someone who is extremely picky and decides to pick me. That means who I am is what he really wants. I don't see that as a bad thing.

I'm sure there are women who would fit my descriptions as well. I'm just not often approached by them so I can't speak to that.

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

quote:

ORIGINAL: sublizzie

I'm not sure which males you're hanging out with but the majority of the ones I've met can be put into 2 classifications.

#1 is all out for sex. They just want a hole to stick it in and if it's in a kinky situation all the better. They don't care about the person, just the hole and any one will do.

#2 is all out for D/s. They are VERY picky. They aren't willing to take just anyone. They want a submissive who fits their list of needs, not just a hole.


I might suggest that you  might you need to change your methods of finding prospectives...not all are like that.

I am sure if one were to say that about women there would be an uproar would there not?

But then again this is your perception based on your personal experiences so you have a valid point.

Ross

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 7:21:33 AM   
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MasDom,

I figure I have to kiss thousands of frogs before I'll find one who turns into a prince. But in the process I'm learning a lot about frogs that is proving helpful.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 8:50:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: patina

I would like to apologize to all on the forum.  I have a bad temper and add to it my roller coaster mood swings, caused by Bi Polar.  I can "lose my temper and flame very quickly and the next day regret it.  Normally I control it but my meds are messed up and I can't get to the Dr. for another month. 

The one incident you mentioned was a Dom who wanted to met me said he believed in the old school rules of etiquite and I was to come prepared to adhere to them.  Some of the things he said just gave me pause the longer I thought of thm.  I was to pay to fly to Chicago, I was to stay w/ him for a week I would service him as he directed, I was to be nude the entire time, I could be traded at will, all my money went to him, I just did not like the sound of these before a collar was placed so told him I was not what he was looking for.

The first question I had posted seveal months ago probably under heading of How Long Do You wait?  My reasons for asking were more to confirm my belief's then to actually need to be told what to do,  or to be told how silly acting I am, as you did not have the whole story.

But I just wanted to say i was wrong for flaming the majority of you at random as I did.  I had had a terrible day dealing with really stupid self centered wanna be Doms.  My family, and my sons cat.  Please accept my apology.
Patina


Hi again Patina.  We all have bad days.  As for the expereince you relate, it's not a matter of how long you should wait.  There's another thread running on "red flags", and one of those is in my opinion, anyone claiming to be "old guard".  First, old guard is a myth.  It's bad history and internet bullshit piled high and deep.  When someone tells you they are old guard, or believes in old guard ways, what they are telling you that they have no confidence in who they are, and so claim kinship to the one true way.  In general, it also means that what they do is so fucked up, that the only way they can justify such assinine and/or dangerous behavior is by claiming it's ok because it's the true bdsm way.  So what you really need to ask yourself when you meet someone, is not when, but if and how.  If what they want from you seems unreasonable, walk away.  If what you are seeking is a relationship, and they piut all their emphysis on immediate physical gratification, walk away.  If they seem to think the process of building trust and respect is unimportant, that's because to them trust and respect are unimportant.  Walk away.

When you do meet someone who doesn't trip your red flag alarms, that doesn't mean they are safe or compatible.  Some of the idiots have learned how to talk the talk.  My expereince tells me that very little that you learn on line means anything, and that the first real life meeting means everything.  I use the internet and phone to make sure that none of my red flags are tripped, and that my basic "must haves" are apparently there.  I say apparently because the vast majority of people on the net lie about such things.  I usually give this process afew days with frequent e-mails, IMs and a couple of calls.  By then I know whether I want to meet someone or not, and prefer to do so right away.  If at that point, I start to get hemming and hawing about getting to know you better and safety, I figure I've probably got a player and I walk away.

And that brings things to safety.  The two safest ways to meet in my opinion are at a munch or a mall food court.  A food court has advantages because it's very public, parking lots are huge and the malls have multiple exits, so the chance of being followed back to your car without you being aware of it is small.  A munch has advantages because if someone is meeting you with bad intentions, they aren't going to want their face seen by others in the bdsm community and will probably object to meeting like that.  if someone refuses to cooporate with what you feel is a safe meeting place, walk away.  I can't speak for everyone, but 95% of the time, I can tell in 30 mins or less over dinner or a drink whether the person I'm talking to was honest about what they told me, and is someone I want to see again.  The other 5% are the ones who not only lie well on line, but in person as well, and I've been badly burned more than once for misplacing my trust,  I have no solutions for that one.  Life has risks, and you can't live unless you accept them.  I hope this is helpful to you and wish you luck in your search.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/31/2006 8:51:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sublizzie

Actually I'm looking for a #2 kind of person. I want someone who is extremely picky and decides to pick me. That means who I am is what he really wants. I don't see that as a bad thing.



Same here lizzie.
 
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