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juliaoceania -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/31/2006 10:06:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Did Iraq sign a treaty before it used those weapons on the Kurds? Just because a treaty was not signed does it make it moral to use a substance like this on civilians? Under that logic it is ok for Saddam to use whatever he wanted on civilians as long as he had not specifically agreed not to... what utter horse shit. No, Julia, it was a snarky comment. I'd expect you to be as expert in those as you are in the Straw Man (or are those tactics perfectly acceptable when you use them?) Napalm is a nasty weapon. Even nastier when it needs to be used against enemies who hide among civilians. They were not the primary target. War really is Hell. I did not declare your position, I did not say that you felt this way, so no I did not create a straw man. I did not even infer you did, I just pointed out the logic of stating using weapons like the ones that were used in Fallujah and those used against Kurds in their villages that were in open rebellion is the same thing in my eyes. I am sure Saddam would have justified offing those Kurds the same way since he was at war with Iran and the Kurds were complicit in helping Iran in that war.

dcnovice -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/31/2006 10:15:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Benazir I have many conflicting thoughts about this execution. while generally against capital punishment, Saddam was a poster child for it. That's pretty much how I feel. I can also see the argument that executing him removes any chance of a movement's coalescing around him, though I'm not sure how likely that was anyway. quote: This could have all been avoided had the US convened an International Islamic Court, with the head Mullahs from every Islamic country sitting as judges and having Saddam tried according to Islamic law, then Islam itself would have convicted Saddam not any regieme or political entity. Really interesting idea. I wish someone had thought of that.

marieToo -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/31/2006 10:28:18 PM)
GR: I take no joy in anyone's death. His hanging is not something Id want to have seen. I dont think there's a need to make entertainment out of it. Having said that, I dont feel any sorrow for the fact that they snapped that motherfucker's neck. Perhaps there will be less bloodied children being scooped up off the streets in pieces. Comparing his hanging to what we consider the death penalty in America for criminals is like apples to oranges for me. This was a political leader mass torturing and murdering. Where is the shame in ending the life of this subhuman animal? I search myself and come up empty.

sissifytoserve -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/31/2006 10:34:54 PM)
IN CASE SOMEONE MISSED IT. This sums up the WHOLE Saddam Saga.....long before these FALSE PATRIOTS who scream "rah rah" Saddam is dead" Hoooray!!" ever would even begin to THINK for themselves. God forbid!! FOX NEWS can do the THINKING FOR US!! Saddam Hussein: The real story http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html

Lordandmaster -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/1/2007 2:20:28 AM)
That was fun, but it petered out at the end. I liked the picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam.

MmakeMme -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/1/2007 6:54:51 AM)
I'm on the fence about it. If anyone deserved to be held accountable for his atrocious actions, it was Saddam ... but damn ... I can't muster up ~any~ enthusiasm for his execution. I believe he was evil, corrupted by greed and power, and I do believe there was no good alternative ... but still ... a part of me is quite sad (and a little sickened) at this turn of events.

popeye1250 -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/1/2007 4:55:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania FR I know some people will dance for joy at the idea of this individual dying, but from what I hear this only means more bloodshed in Iraq, and for that I am deeply saddened. It was unnecessary to execute him, and will most likely only martyr him. It just does not make me joyful, but then I am not the type to get joy from such things. I've just been watching a clip of him just before being hanged and just after. Personally, I find it weird that this is being broadcast and distasteful that there is a market for this sort of thing. The advance of civilisation eh, whereas those in the 17th century had to find their way to the gallows to enjoy watching people hanged we have it beamed into our homes. Weird. Gent, I saw that too. I'm just dissapointed that they didn't show him dropping. They said on CNN last night that he ordered the killings of 2 million people! That's right up there with Hitler and the like. As for me I don't care one way or the other. I just want my country to get out of the" invaision-world policeman" business. Funny, the same people who don't want us to be in this civil war in Iraq do want us to be in Darfur's civil war. You can't have your cake and eat it too. What the hell does Darfur have to do with the U.S. anyway? We need to stop getting involved in foreign countries' wars and let (them) fight it out. I do not know what the point of this is other than to revolt people that do not share your sense of fun and entertainment. I really do not understand it. You know we are revolted by it, yet you get a thrill out of pushing your virilent bloodlust in our face... I just will never get some people Julia, yup, I planned the whole thing in advance; "Hmmm, after they string up Saddam I can go onto Collar Me where I know "certain people" will be revolted by it and say something about it and make them more revolted!" Yup, you caught me! I was planning that for a month.

farglebargle -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/2/2007 7:38:29 AM)
quote: I liked the picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam. Well, we're now damn sure that Hussain won't be testifying against Rumsfeld in any future trials! And isn't covering your ass all that really matters?

meatcleaver -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/2/2007 7:45:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: I liked the picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam. Well, we're now damn sure that Hussain won't be testifying against Rumsfeld in any future trials! And isn't covering your ass all that really matters? Yep. How convenient.

magicone -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/8/2007 1:54:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet As for France and Germany, they didn't go to war because they lack the money and are scared of islamic terrorist retaliation. Besides, the Paris Tower, wine chataus, nor the German Beer Brewery have been hit by airplanes. It's not a decision based on ethics, but rather on fear and being lazy. "We're not effected, so why should we care." as a German i am more than happy that we didnt go to that war - beside that You may remember that the whole Nato denied to go in... and it was a coalition of the willing the states and great britian tried to find - finally to support the war... it is funny that we as germans always have to face and being argued with our past of hitler and the nazi-regime. we have learned something... from our past. beside if You see the history than You will find that the states did support Saddam in the past like Osama Bin Laden as the Russia was a threat to the states. for me - and thats my personal opinion. the poked fear of terrorism allows the states to act how they want... is this democracy?? one of the main points of democracy is the separation of religion and the state. in countries like iraq religion is the state... if i bring freedom to people in the name of democracy then i should bring the freedom either that they able to choose which system ever fit to them... may that would be a solution?? who knows?? back to saddam an his execution. i am not able to judge an act i am willing to do by myself - be it in the name of justice or not. and thats my personal opinion!

mnottertail -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/8/2007 2:07:30 PM)
I laugh everytime the German subject comes up in this area.....it wouldn't even matter if the Germans agreed with our unfounded aggression in the area.... They are not so stupid a country that they would have pictures in the NY Times and Guardian of a German soldier shooting a muslim and having it pasted on the front page next to a picture from say 1943, under the headline: Didn't Get enough the first time around..... So, forget whether or not the Germans were for us or against us. For those of you for this war, they would absolutely not have helped further your cause in world opinion. For those of you against this war, they were polite in their declining to support agression. They did the right thing. Ron

NorthernGent -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/8/2007 2:17:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: magicone it is funny that we as germans always have to face and being argued with our past of hitler and the nazi-regime. we have learned something... from our past. In England, it is reported that the Germans are still struggling to come to terms with their past. The point is, those without a cross to bear understand that Germany today is not Germany in 1933. Also, if the English were apologising for all the wars we have had a hand in we'd still be apologising in a 1000 years time. Germany is far from the only country to start a war. Besides, Hitler/Goebbels learned many of their propaganda techniques from the British and some of his bizarre notions of racial superiority were also derived from British thinkers (as well as cynically espousing the likes of Nietzsche). for me - and thats my personal opinion. the poked fear of terrorism allows the states to act how they want... is this democracy?? True. Democracy relies on an informed electorate and the climate of fear detracts from that. On the other side of the coin, the US is not the only nation suffering from a disenfranchised population and a slick propaganda machine. We're not doing so well ourselves at the moment. Good to see a continental European face around here :-)

meatcleaver -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/8/2007 2:45:04 PM)
Nietzche was purposely corrupted by the Nazis. His cross will forever be that some people who have not read him or studied him, misuse his words.

mgdartist -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/8/2007 3:42:20 PM)
Don't, and never did give a damn about Saddam or iraq, and allow me to not give a damn bout the rightness or wrongness of our previous involvement with him, his country, its oil and subsequent death. My goverment, my leaders, have always done as they did for the sake of oil. and the greed they had to get it, for us. So if thats their deal, why has it changed? Why wasnt the iraqi oil appropriated and nationalized for our use the moment we declared our victory, and even moreso, now that saddam is dead? No, we couldn't just be honest and say its what we were after, annex iraq, set up a paramilitary govt there, begin oil production and shipping to US, bomb anybody who bitched, and having a firm militarily strategic foothold, stabilize that whole fucking region by the only thing they understand; FEAR, and that goes for israel too. WHY such a typically aggressive american ideology from me? To the victor go the spoils. period. Our boys paid and died for it, at which point the "right" thing to do, becomes whatever we say. I am so sick and tired of all the whiney bullcrap about that pissant saddam, his hanging and the new democracy of Iraq (which those fanatics will NEVER allow to stand) and our wishy washy chickenshit foriegn policy of hippocrysy. "But doing that would cause the worlds opinion to turn against us!"...Excuse me?..that ship has sailed, years ago, and in my view, wont be turned back to supporting us in the next 50 years, if it ever has. So after all this death war, idiocy and paying for it by americans, through the fucking nose i might add, we're seeking to appear concerned about the well being and structuring of a new govt for poor ravaged iraq. Good God, what a pack of lies and stupid nonsense is fed to americans, who must now pay more for gasoline and utility power than they ever have in history, and if our incredbly compromised media (bad news delivery machine) is right, much more very soon. I doubt a soul here agrees with me, which only increases my amazement and wonder at what happened to the american backbone. The only problem with my plan would likely be, were we to actually produce Iraqi oil for stricly american use, it's price would likely triple or more. So I guess we give it back to em, hoping to get it cheaper...Jesus. MGD

BlackKnight -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/8/2007 4:15:05 PM)
Not rreading this thread til now, cause mgd caught my attention, I'll jump in head first, and read the previous post l8r. I'm gunna start by saying sadom needed to be eliminated, That could be a serious debate for a l8r post, a debate that won't bring him back, and fix the problems now. On that note, we need to secure iraq, increase the troops there and eliminate the opposition. Not saying that will be easy nor over night, but we need to do as was done before in previous wars. commit ourselves and hold our position, we still have bases in germany and japan. It took years for those countries to rebuild themselves. we have to closely monitor Iraq in it's growth. americans have gotten way to used to convenience. culture growth is not an overnight process. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, I don't agree with that, it just takes more time and understanding and alot more stuberness! At the same time you have to lead them to learning and understanding on their own. The question of oil is paramount on peoples minds. Ca-ching is what everyone hears in one way or another. I may be nieve, but I don't believe bush did this for oil. really think he felt he had to finnish "daddy's" war. Well back to my point. we need to sell the oilto the world to pay for the debt of this war on us, to rebuild the iraq country. After that it should be the Iraqi's to decide what to do with their oil. We need to maintain a presence in the middle east to watch Iran. That is the biggest reason to maintain a base in Iraq! We need a place to launch from. Iran is run by the Sh1thead that took US as prisoners in the l8 '70s. We have to hold fast and not be shook down! gotta run, more l8r

Sinergy -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/8/2007 8:06:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Evidently there are people who think Mass Murderers shouldn't be punished. Life in prison is too good for some people. Mark Twain wrote that he saw his "first public hanging" at the age of 12. I think executions should be public. If my Taxdollars are paying for it I should have the right to watch it if I so choose. If you don't want to watch things like that then don't. If you believe in Censorship then remember that it can extend into other areas of your life as well. I don't believe in Censorship by my govt. Your desire to watch people get killed by the State for killing people reminds me of watching parents of my kid's playmates spanking their children in order to teach these children that hitting people is bad. I dont get it. Sinergy

magicone -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/9/2007 8:33:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlackKnight Not rreading this thread til now, cause mgd caught my attention, I'll jump in head first, and read the previous post l8r. I'm gunna start by saying sadom needed to be eliminated, That could be a serious debate for a l8r post, a debate that won't bring him back, and fix the problems now. On that note, we need to secure iraq, increase the troops there and eliminate the opposition. Not saying that will be easy nor over night, but we need to do as was done before in previous wars. commit ourselves and hold our position, we still have bases in germany and japan. It took years for those countries to rebuild themselves. we have to closely monitor Iraq in it's growth. americans have gotten way to used to convenience. culture growth is not an overnight process. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, I don't agree with that, it just takes more time and understanding and alot more stuberness! At the same time you have to lead them to learning and understanding on their own. The question of oil is paramount on peoples minds. Ca-ching is what everyone hears in one way or another. I may be nieve, but I don't believe bush did this for oil. really think he felt he had to finnish "daddy's" war. Well back to my point. we need to sell the oilto the world to pay for the debt of this war on us, to rebuild the iraq country. After that it should be the Iraqi's to decide what to do with their oil. We need to maintain a presence in the middle east to watch Iran. That is the biggest reason to maintain a base in Iraq! We need a place to launch from. Iran is run by the Sh1thead that took US as prisoners in the l8 '70s. We have to hold fast and not be shook down! gotta run, more l8r all whats in my mind when i read a post like this... how much fear have some people of a relegion, a culture the do not know and may do not understand?? human nature... sadly.. to me

mgdartist -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/9/2007 9:02:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: magicone quote: ORIGINAL: BlackKnight Not rreading this thread til now, cause mgd caught my attention, I'll jump in head first, and read the previous post l8r. I'm gunna start by saying sadom needed to be eliminated, That could be a serious debate for a l8r post, a debate that won't bring him back, and fix the problems now. On that note, we need to secure iraq, increase the troops there and eliminate the opposition. Not saying that will be easy nor over night, but we need to do as was done before in previous wars. commit ourselves and hold our position, we still have bases in germany and japan. It took years for those countries to rebuild themselves. we have to closely monitor Iraq in it's growth. americans have gotten way to used to convenience. culture growth is not an overnight process. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, I don't agree with that, it just takes more time and understanding and alot more stuberness! At the same time you have to lead them to learning and understanding on their own. The question of oil is paramount on peoples minds. Ca-ching is what everyone hears in one way or another. I may be nieve, but I don't believe bush did this for oil. really think he felt he had to finnish "daddy's" war. Well back to my point. we need to sell the oilto the world to pay for the debt of this war on us, to rebuild the iraq country. After that it should be the Iraqi's to decide what to do with their oil. We need to maintain a presence in the middle east to watch Iran. That is the biggest reason to maintain a base in Iraq! We need a place to launch from. Iran is run by the Sh1thead that took US as prisoners in the l8 '70s. We have to hold fast and not be shook down! gotta run, more l8r all whats in my mind when i read a post like this... how much fear have some people of a relegion, a culture the do not know and may do not understand?? human nature... sadly.. to me You speak of the iraqi culture and religion? Fear them? I'm sure our culture and religions are perhaps more in need of being feared as often as not. But understanding is an altogether different matter, at least for me. Suicide bombers, and many many of them women. Recruited and used as they are more deceptive. WOMEN. Explain this to me, as I dont understand. I don't understand their own cruelty and hatred of each other. And I don't understand a religion whcih seems so much a proponent of peace, spawning so much hatred worldwide. I understand I suppose their blind utter hatred of us. In the face of everything we've tried to do. It's nothing to them tiill we remove israel, which is the source of all the hatred there. Israel will remain, and so will their hatred. Their hatred is without end and devoid of reason. You are obviously a more enlightened person than I, since when confronted with such mindless hatred as I see from their religion and culture. I hate 'em back. MGD

meatcleaver -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/9/2007 9:36:26 AM)
If you look at western meddling in their countries for the last 90 years, I'm no surprised they hate us. As for religion, religion has nothing to do with morals, it is about truth and if you believe in the truth how can someone else's truth be true? Their truth must obviously be wrong and evil. We've been here before in the west. Europe has had its religious wars, we eventually decided it is best to believe what you want and those that couldn't tolerate living amongst people who believed different went over to the Americas and became fundies. I don't see a big difference between us and them. We just went through all the killing at an earlier stage in our history. Ironically, the time from the (apparent) birth of Jesus to the reformation and the religious wars, is roughly the time from the birth of Islam until now. Everyone says Islam needs its version of the reformation. Maybe its having it now. Religion and morals? Incompatible.

NorthernGent -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (1/9/2007 9:37:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Nietzche was purposely corrupted by the Nazis. His cross will forever be that some people who have not read him or studied him, misuse his words. Hitler did read Nietzsche. He cynically manipulated and espoused his work. Hilter was a half-wit who was well out of his depth when reading his work. Hence, Hitler ended up with the wrong end of the stick and a picture that fitted his own distorted view of the human race and relationships between ethnic groups.

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