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sissymaidlola -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (2/27/2005 12:41:14 AM)

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I will say that I'm beginning to understand and like you better, maybe next time, I will take your advice and email you on the other side asking WTF ...
Welcome to collarme, M

[:o]Thank You, Ma'am, for Your heartfelt post. sissy Doesn't doubt what You say WRT having met some misogynist CDs along the way but they are hardly representative of most CDs. There are lots of reasons why males crossdress - to attract guys, to caricature real women, to humiliate themselves, to make themselves more submissive, to laugh at themselves, or to resolve gender dysphoria ... these are just some of the reasons that come to mind off the top of sissy's head. Yet among the hetero CDs one of the primary rationales for croossdressing is an adoration or worship of Women ... after all, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!

Things appeared to have got a little out of control on this thread mostly because the people posting negatively against sissy have particularly poor English comprehension skills. Not everybody has the same sense of humor, so it is understandable that not everybody may have found sissy's initial post funny. But that still begs the question, doesn't it, Ma'am ? Even if irony or satire doesn't make you personally laugh in a particular instance, most intelligent people can recognize its existence. Gulliver's Travels was considered a great political satire of its day when it was first published in 1726. However, most people reading it today probably wouldn't muster a chuckle from cover to cover because they are totally ignorant about British and French politics in the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries. But almost everyone knows that it is a satire. That they may not possess the knowledge to fully appreciate the book's humor is irrelevant ... they still know that it was written with that intent and that there are others out there (such as historians and scholars of eighteenth century British politics) that find it quite hilarious. So not appreciating the humor of something does NOT preclude recognizing and acknowledging the humorous intent of something.

Even if You didn't personally find sissy's post funny, Ma'am, You probably still recognized that it was intended to be. It was clearly marked as humorous, and the first couple of posts against it acknowledged it as such. Any reading of sissy's other posts or his journal would have confirmed that interpretation. So the first level of miscomprehension going on here, Ma'am, is one of "plausible miscomprehension." sissy Uses that term in a similar manner as the term "plausible denial" would be used. For Lady Angelika to claim that sissy's initial post was a hate fest aimed directly at Her, and that he is now retroactively claiming it to be satire, denies any semblance of truth and credibility. There is a great future for Lady Angelika in the Republican party ... move over Condoleeza Rice, we now have someone that can prove conclusively that Saddam had WMD after all !

The second level of miscomprehension that is going on concerns how anything written in sissy's initial post can be considered aimed personally at Lady Angelika. Most of what was "attacked" WRT the Feminist program, besides the fact that this "attack" was executed in a tongue-in-cheek fashion, all occurred before Lady Angelika was even out of diapers. She is only 32 years old. How can She possibly be responsible single-handedly for the Feminist agenda of the last 30 years or so ? To claim that sissy was personally "attacking Her repeatedly" in his post is pure paranoia and also defies any semblance of truth and credibility. She keeps saying that sissy should get real ... but, quite frankly, Lady Angelika is the one living in LA LA land (what appropriate initials She has!). But if Lady Angelika says that sissy personally attacked Her in his initial post often enough and loud enough (and emails this falsity to enough of Her brainless minions), then sissy has no doubt that Her flock of submissive male doormats will repeat the mantra without even questioning it. As can be witnessed, this is already happening here. Yet one are two are now beginning to realize that the Empress has no clothes ...

Thank You for welcoming sissy to CollarMe, Ma'am, but perhaps the honor of issuing solicitations should really be sissy's since he has been an active member maintaining a journal here (please feel free to check it out) for three or more months longer than You have, Ma'am. So on behalf of this sissy welcome to CollarMe, Ma'am <deep curtsey>. sissy Isn't quite sure how he should address You, Ma'am, as he has only seen You sign off Your posts with "M" and so, despite reading both Your profiles, he has no idea what the "M" stands for, Ma'am.

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola

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NoPinkBalloons -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 2:14:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GddssBella
C/d's, t/v's, sissies, adult babies, etc. have no appeal to me.


*blink* Wow, things change, hm? I know I've seen you have a great time beating the snot out of a TV, and I also enjoyed hearing about and seeing pictures of another TV that you spent occasional time with. You had a great set of photos of him, starting in his military uniform and working up to a damned fine looking "girl". (I have to hate men who look better in a dress than I do on some level though!)

Mind if I ask what caused the change? Was it a particularly bad experience, or just one of those things that happens as well all grow/change/morph?




onceburned -> RE: masculine subs (2/27/2005 5:24:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorThree
This thread has gotten a bit out of control. If you cannot contribute to the original thread then please pass this one by...


Mod3, thank you for this gentle warning. The participants would be wise if they took it to heart.

There is no need for personal attacks.



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (2/27/2005 7:00:08 AM)


ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola
Thank You, Ma'am, for Your heartfelt post. sissy Doesn't doubt what You say WRT having met some misogynist CDs along the way but they are hardly representative of most CDs. There are lots of reasons why males crossdress - to attract guys, to caricature real women, to humiliate themselves, to make themselves more submissive, to laugh at themselves, or to resolve gender dysphoria
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Okay, I'll accept that, and say the only reason I pointed being sissy not equaling admiration of women was because of my experience, not meant as a generalization.

Not everybody has the same sense of humor, so it is understandable that not everybody may have found sissy's initial post funny. But that still begs the question, doesn't it, Ma'am ? Even if irony or satire doesn't make you personally laugh in a particular instance, most intelligent people can recognize its existence.
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Yes things can be meant to be funny, and not found to be because of different exposure and experience; but who in the world thought that the backlash against feminism was funny? Yes you did put a smily face at the beginning of your post, but that could have been a pychotic"you bitches deserve what you get smile", not a isn't this evil/mysogynistic rant funny... I'm not suggesting I believe that about you, I'm just showing you the other side of the coin (or maybe it's me).

Even if You didn't personally find sissy's post funny, Ma'am, You probably still recognized that it was intended to be.
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I accepted it as meant satirically after your post stating it was... The little smily face I forgot about as soon as I began reading the post; plus remember plenty of people smile before they do something insane, right?

The second level of miscomprehension that is going on concerns how anything written in sissy's initial post can be considered aimed personally at Lady Angelika. Most of what was "attacked" WRT the Feminist program, besides the fact that this "attack" was executed in a tongue-in-cheek fashion, all occurred before Lady Angelika was even out of diapers. She is only 32 years old. How can She possibly be responsible single-handedly for the Feminist agenda of the last 30 years or so ?
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You were responding to her post in a way that screams "we hate women like you", you sissify us, than want a strong man to come out is the message understood IF the POST wasn't understood as satirical (which it was not).


But if Lady Angelika says that sissy personally attacked Her in his initial post often enough and loud enough (and emails this falsity to enough of Her brainless minions), then sissy has no doubt that Her flock of submissive male doormats will repeat the mantra without even questioning it.
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Now that was needlessly mean and condescending to other people on the board, and though you are smart, being unnecessarily evil is uncalled for, and won't get you respect. You've called people morons/minions why? You're the smartest person at collarme? NO One has monopoly on knowledge, do they?...


Thank You for welcoming sissy to CollarMe, Ma'am, but perhaps the honor of issuing solicitations should really be sissy's since he has been an active member maintaining a journal here for three or more months longer than You have, Ma'am. So on behalf of this sissy welcome to CollarMe, Ma'am <deep curtsey>. sissy Isn't quite sure how he should address You, Ma'am, as he has only seen You sign off Your posts with "M" and so, despite reading both Your profiles, he has no idea what the "M" stands for, Ma'am.
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Well Thanks for the welcome, but How Have I missed you all this time? You're hardly incospicuous... M is the initial to my name, and I'll accept any respectul address, and will do the same in return.
It's obvious you can defend yourself in a debate, but this is a no-win situation filled with misunderstandings, and yes you can hurl insults with the best of them, but I think it would be more gracious/admirable of you if you said "I apologize for the misunderstanding generated by my 1st response to this thread." JMO though, M... Yes, I am technologically impaired, so! [:D]



quietkitten -> RE: thanks for the giggles (2/27/2005 7:21:42 AM)

*Whaps sissymaidlola

Geez !! I rarely make a spelling mistake on here... you need to jump on me for one lil mistake?????? (I am saying this tongue in cheek by the way)
I have actually gotten rid of my public profile on the other side of this forum because I was attracting too much attention from people who believed I was somehow already their property.
When you are done washing the floor I have some serious laundry that needs to be done.... interested?

Lol, have a good day

Jenny



GddssBella -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 8:09:05 AM)

G'morning Sadie [:)]

I have no problems topping people of different orientations. Heck, I've topped you, lol. This does not mean I wish to have a romantic relationship though. My preference for romance has always been a masculine male. I have experimented over time with several TG's to see if I'm missing anything. Having disastrous results due to the difficulties these individuals have in gender dysphoria, I dissolved the relationships. You know I'm open minded enough to attempt something before I say I don't like it. Thank you for the strong minded comment as well. Next time you're in NYC, maybe we can do a museum or something. Why should we only hang out after dark? *chuckling*


[:D]

Bella



NoPinkBalloons -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 9:37:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GddssBella

G'morning Sadie [:)]

I have no problems topping people of different orientations. Heck, I've topped you, lol. This does not mean I wish to have a romantic relationship though. My preference for romance has always been a masculine male.


Ok, now I get it. I didn't understand the "romantic relationship" qualification. Makes much more sense now. :)

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Next time you're in NYC, maybe we can do a museum or something. Why should we only hang out after dark? *chuckling*


Ooooo...I haven't been to the Met in ages!


[:D]

Bella



LadyAngelika -> RE: masculine subs (2/27/2005 10:05:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sissyslave71
What happened to the Educated, cultured, intelligent well traveled, elite Lady Angelika?


What happened is that I showed to you all that I am human and fallible, just like everyone else on this planet. I should not have lost my temper. I am usually above this, you are right.

Permit me to share a little something with you and others reading this thread. I came on the collarme boards last July. I participated, made phenomenal friends, laughed, shared, etc. Last October, I needed to take a distance from the boards for personal reasons. It wasn’t so much about the boards but other things I needed to do. But spending less time in front of a computer was part of the solution.

January rolled around and I decided to come back to the boards, thinking there were a lot of amazing people I was no longer in touch with. Those who missed my contributions greeted me warmly and it was great to feel the love. I promised myself one thing however: I would not let myself get dragged into a flame war with anyone (I’d fallen in that trap a few times before). I’ve been calling it “channelling my buddha self” (I say this unpretentiously, but rather with a giggle). Yesterday, I broke that promise to myself and just as I do every time I have not been true to my own convictions, I took a long, deep look at myself and tried to identify the real issues. Here is my perception of what happened. I realise everyone has their own perceptions but I will make my public in the hopes that it might reduce the flames.

I was discussing my kink among friends and acquaintances in a place where I felt it was safe to do so. I presented my initial arguments describing my desires without denigrating the desires of others. The thread was going peacefully until someone decided to change the tone considerably. The post did not anger me. It annoyed me. I did see it as an attack to be honest, as did many others initially. In sissymaidlola’s original post, accusations that I was sissy-phobic were present as were a whole bunch of assumptions. I went through the post and addressed some of the accusations hoping to make sissymaidlola see my point of view. Yes my tone came across as annoyed. Newsflash folks: I was annoyed.

Now I don’t know sissymaidlola from a hole in the wall nor does he know me. I personally would never have dreamed of taking such liberties with someone who I was not acquainted with. But then again, those are my principles. He has to live with his own. I have to live with mine. To be honest, I read the post again, and I still have a really hard time seeing “someone I don’t know insulting me” as humorous. Perhaps if I were at in the front seat at a comedy club, I would feel differently but I’m wasn’t. I was in a forum talking about issues that are important to me. I do have a fantastically dark sense of humour and I can even laugh at myself. I am also very tolerant and accepting of difference. Those who have gotten to know me well know this.

I read sissymaidlola’s latest posts as well as the one I responded to in anger from beginning to end. We are no longer talking about satire. We are talking about vicious, unfounded attacks now. Even after a moderator has asked us all to stop and stay on topic. I’m not going to address this post, nor am I going to address the baseless accusations made in it. I know I don’t need to defend myself in a group where I know I am respected by most. I know that the people who’s opinions matter to me know that the accusations couldn’t be any further from the truth. I can ignore these flames and focus on the encouraging words of those who know the real me and are close to me. I will go back to “channelling my buddha self” (insert wink) and exerting the self-control and Lady like poise I have been praised for having.

I appreciate those who have come to my defence until now but I would ask you not too anymore. It isn’t necessary. :) The best way to extinguish a flame is to let it die.

- LA



LadyAngelika -> RE: change of heart (2/27/2005 10:11:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress
As has been mentioned, this is one woman's fetish. She never said there was anything wrong with anyone else's fetish...


The funny thing is Beach, I have had the whole gamut of transgendered lovers from post-op male to female transexuals to female to male cross dressers and the like. I found all of it hot. I even do make my boys wear pink panties and lipstick now and then. There is something hot in all of this.

I just have come to the realisation lately that my biggest kick these days is sort of another kind of genderbending all together. Getting men back to their "masculine" selves. That is all I wanted to discuss in this thread. Hopefully we can get back to the subject at hand.

- LA



sissymaidlola -> RE: serious laundry requirement (2/27/2005 10:13:44 AM)

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When you are done washing the floor I have some serious laundry that needs to be done.... interested?

[:o]Only if sissy gets to sniff your dirty bra and panties first ... and then gets to wear them afterwards! What size do you take ? <giggles>

sissy maid lola

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GddssBella -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 10:35:27 AM)

Heya Sadie!

The Met it is doll! They've just recently fixed up the egyptian exhibits:

http://www.metmuseum.org/special/se_event.asp?OccurrenceId={2AC3BAF7-14C1-4AB4-95F6-62AC830E5024}

I wouldn't mind a stroll thru the galleries & maybe some kick-ass indian food to follow. Got to ask mischie, ninny or journey again. I forgot the address, lol. It was very close to the museum though, that I remember. Once I get the info, I'll check as to their vegan dishes. Unless you know a hot spot? Always up for something new.

Oh, hey, sorry all. Got off topic, hehe.


[:D]

Bella



LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 10:44:10 AM)

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Oh, hey, sorry all. Got off topic, hehe.


Ahem! Let's get back to the topic at hand...
[image]local://upfiles/36532/9656F9A023DD40989034AA7246342159.jpg[/image]
Permit me to shamelessly parade one of my boy's abs ;)

- LA




GddssBella -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 11:39:05 AM)


*chuckles @ Angelika*

Very nice indeed. Guys without body hair though do NOT do it for me. Not that I like wookies, mind you. I like the total appearance of masculinity. Height sufficeintly taller than myself (I'm 5'7", I like men over 6'.), a breadth of shoulder wide enough to make hugs difficult but not impossible. Well developed but not obscene musculature, a balanced physique.

More importantly, I believe masculinity cannot be forced on one. It must be an inborn trait. Such as courtesy, dignity, self confidence. It exudes from a man. Perhaps my definition is closer akin to perception. I feel that masculinity wraps up & encompasses all that is best is a gentleman. Strength of character, ethics, charm, wit, yet willing to bend knee to a special lady. There are many more sterling attributes I could list, but you all get the gist.

Although...... a boy shaved like that is ideal for fire play. [;)]


[:D]

Bella



LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 12:03:58 PM)

He is naturally not very hirsute. What little sprouts he has he shaves off, as you said, for play.

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ORIGINAL: GddssBella
More importantly, I believe masculinity cannot be forced on one. It must be an inborn trait.


Masculinity is most definitely inborn but sometimes it's dormant. What I do with my boys is tease it out. (Pun intended!!)

- LA



MaitresseEden -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 1:25:09 PM)

Sticking my toe in the H2o... HOT!..

Ohmm... ohmmm... <deep cleansing breath>

ok.. I shall wiegh in on this topic.

There are so many points to this tread I must confess that it is with great tripidation I'm going to attempt to respond to the myriad of arguments raised. In the apprieciation of breivity I am going to number my points, and keep them as short and to the point as I possibly can.

Point 1: Feminization has its place, my dear friend sissy blueballs fellatrix who runs sissyland.com long ago proved to that most sissy slaves can take more than the average non sissy sub. So I reject the notion that they parade oaroud in their frillies, doing little service. That said, for ever every service oriented maid I know I know one that is more concerned with the cross dressing than the service, so in my opinion that is a 50/50 split.

point 2: I reject the argument that feminisim has emasculated men, I do not feel that society as a whole is emasuclated. Within the scene and within society the prvelient number of males still embrace machismo, and if the feminist movement can be credited with anything it is allowing men to embrace their senisitive more feminine side. Men are born into a position of power it takes them rejectiong that power by either submitting to femal power, or embracing thier femininty to transcend socialization. Thus enhanceing thier value to me. Thos who maintain behaviors congruent with societies expectations are not attractive to me. ( NOTE I SAID ME.. YOMV)

Point 3: While I have great respect for sissies, and admit to having played with and having some good friend who are. I like Angelika originally posted have a preference for Masculinity. I like my men to be predominantly masculine in appearance, that isn't to say there isn't a time and place for dressing up, but since I intermesh my everyday life and my kink life I want someone who can fit totally into both, and unfortunately I can not take a sissy maid to pta meetings and business dinners. I like my men masculine to the point I like them furry, chest hair is a good thing. If I want anything shaved I'll be the one shaving it. If I do dress you in a dress it is more for the humiliation aspect of it.. being a guy in a dress, than it is for passing as a guy, and so long as you have a penis you will never be a girl that I have sex with. Should you be post -op TS then that is a different story, however since I like males for partners I can't forsee a relationship developing along those lines.

The original intent of this thread was to talk about how you feel about masculine males. I love them. I won't however limit the chivalrous behaviors discussed to one specific group. I expect it from all humans, When I don't get it, I make sure that my unhappiness is duely noted. From the waiters at the resturant to the man in line in front of me at the post office. It is amazing ladies what power you have if you simple give a dirty look, or say, excuse me, did you mean to just shove me through the door? 99% of the time, those who made the infractions know it, and apoligise and rectivfy the situation immediately. We should just conplain amoungst ourselves, if you don't like something , Do something about it, and for the love of the Goddess, Don't settle for less than you deserve.

Ms. Eden (who is too lazy to spell check this, so suffer the grammer mistakes in silence)



LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/27/2005 1:29:54 PM)

Eden,

I disagree with you on the feminist statement but we've disagreed on this before and have agreed to disagree and get beyond it. I do value your opinion though and you know that. :)

Thanks for your contribution to this thread. Always nice to hear from you :)

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ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden
Ms. Eden (who is too lazy to spell check this, so suffer the grammer mistakes in silence)


Heh.

- LA



GentleLady -> RE: forced masculinity (2/28/2005 12:19:10 AM)

Stops dead at the picture.....tries to make My fumbling fingers find the keys. *clear My throat*...very nice indeed LadyAngelika

Gentle Lady



Switcheroo -> WHY all the hysteria here?? (2/28/2005 2:08:44 AM)

I've been lurking for a couple weeks and decided to register today. I read sissymaidlola's posts and I read LadyAngelika's, as well as the others. WHERE, I say oh WHERE did sissymaidlola ever attack anyone? I don't get it. I cannot even fathom how anyone in their right mind would interpret a single thing he said as an attack.

I have read no fewer than 400 posts here over the past couple weeks. sissymaidlola is a breath of fresh air here. He doesn't belong to any cliques. That in itself is refreshing. Who wants to come here and see people blindly defending their friends eventhough their friends are wrong?

sissymaidlola is one funny dude. He sure seems to have command of satirical writing. Might it be that those who felt attacked by him simply didn't understand him? Then why presume the worst? I sense some real transphobia here. Because otherwise it is beyond me how anyone could presume sissy was attacking anyone!



LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/28/2005 5:06:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GentleLady

Stops dead at the picture.....tries to make My fumbling fingers find the keys. *clear My throat*...very nice indeed LadyAngelika

Gentle Lady


Why thank you. Would you believe the boy in question is 15 years my senior <grins>

- LA



LadyAngelika -> RE: WHY all the hysteria here?? (2/28/2005 5:07:46 AM)

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I've been lurking for a couple weeks and decided to register today.


Welcome to the boards switcheroo. I hope you enjoy your time here.

- LA



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