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sissymaidlola -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (2/28/2005 8:40:18 AM)

[:o]Hi Mistress M,

Thanks for Your response, Ma'am. sissy Apologizes for the delay in responding to it but for some reason the feature of CollarMe that is meant to notify one of a new post against one of your own isn't working for sissy on this thread. In fact, sissy has the inverse problem on another thread where he receives notifications of posts that have absolutely nothing to do with his own. Does anyone else have either of these problems ? sissy Has a similar problem with his PM email notification, too, but that is much less of an inconvenience unless one is away from one's PC for any length of time. Anyway, sissy doesn't want to beat a dead (or possibly only dying) horse here, but there were a couple of points in Your response, Ma'am, that sissy feels he needs to respond to in order to set the record straight.

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Yes you did put a smily face at the beginning of your post, but that could have been a pychotic"you bitches deserve what you get smile", not a isn't this evil/mysogynistic rant funny... I'm not suggesting I believe that about you, I'm just showing you the other side of the coin (or maybe it's me).

Point taken, Ma'am. The emoticons can be used ironically just like words. However, we are getting into the realms of some serious "plausible miscomprehension" again here. There were a lot more clues to the reader to the humor in sissy's post than simply the use of the laughing emoticon up front. sissy Only happened to mention the laughing emoticon in his lead in to that other post because it was a pretty clear and universal indicator of intent. He could also have anally listed all the other clues to humor, too, but one was enough to make his point. Granted, the emoticon could not have registered in the reader's mind, or it could have been dismissed as being "psychotic" (to use Your own terminology) or whatever. So, yes, You have given a couple of valid possible (rather than probable) reasons for how the emoticon could be interpreted otherwise than it should have been, Ma'am.

But even granted such a misinterpretation, that still leaves all the other clues to humor embedded throughout the post. And, yes any single one of those, by itself, could also have been open to misinterpretation, too. But for someone to say they read the whole piece and thought it was serious, that really defies statistical credibility. Anybody, can accidentally run a red light ... that's not necessarily drunk or reckless driving. But running a dozen red lights ? As a defense lawyer, You could argue that the same accidental oversight happened at each individual stop light (which is effectively what You are doing here, Ma'am) and that the jury should only give the defendant points on his license. But You know what, Ma'am, no reasonable jury will buy that argument and they will agree with the prosecution that the driver that ran twelve red lights in succession was as drunk as a skunk. sissy Does not want to deconstruct this issue any further, Ma'am. Interpretations of emoticons notwithstanding, any claim by Lady Angelika that She thought sissy's initial post was serious is totally disingenuous and You well know it, Ma'am. BTW, since that post was so full of "vicious, unfounded attacks" and "baseless accusations" against Her, and generally causing so much grief here, sissy pulled it last night. So that should be the end the matter.


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I accepted it as meant satirically after your post stating it was... The little smily face I forgot about as soon as I began reading the post; plus remember plenty of people smile before they do something insane, right?

No, not true, Ma'am. A few statistically insignificant number of people (psychotics) might smile before doing something insane, NOT plenty. You are stretching credibility again, Ma'am.


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You were responding to her post in a way that screams "we hate women like you", you sissify us, than want a strong man to come out is the message understood IF the POST wasn't understood as satirical (which it was not).

You've stymied sissy with the parenthetical double negatives there, Ma'am <giggles>, so sissy may not be interpreting what You are saying correctly. But the bottom line is that the premise that the Feminist movement emasculated men so much that we've all been turned into mincing sissies is just too absurd or funny to be true. THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THE HUMOR OF THE PIECE. Dropping sissy maid lola's voice for a moment here. "sissy maid lola" is my alter ego, as it were, there is also a very healthy alpha male side to me. So clearly, even this little sissy hasn't been totally emasculated by the Feminists. Let's get real here.


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Now that was needlessly mean and condescending to other people on the board, and though you are smart, being unnecessarily evil is uncalled for, and won't get you respect. You've called people morons/minions why? You're the smartest person at collarme? NO One has monopoly on knowledge, do they?...

"Unnecessarily evil" ???? Really, Ma'am ? Adolf Hitler and (debatably) Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are "evil" ? Do you really think sissy is up there with all of those characters, Ma'am ? Maybe sissy isn't wearing enough petticoats if his evil alpha male side is still coming through that strongly, Ma'am ? Clearly, sissy needs to work on that flaw in his character. Maybe if he halved his genocide rate this month and promises not to use the "N word" more than twice an hour ...

But seriously, that point deserves a longer, less sarcastic response. But sissy said at the outset that he wanted to respond to only a couple of points, and this is a fourth point for this post. So he'll forego that pleasure for now, but sissy reserves the right to revisit it at a later time.

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola


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BitchQueen -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (2/28/2005 10:01:44 AM)

I had read the bright Pink sissymaidlola post that you elected to delete last night. I frankly don't think you should have deleted it, sissy. I wouldn't have! If these people here are not savvy enough to have seen the obvious humour in your post, then that's THEIR problem, not yours! One of the problems I have experienced on message boards is that people "read what they want to read." Your post was very humourous and not intended to insult anyone from what I can see. These people need to lighten up. Too much transphobia here.

(Edited to reflect a small "s" in "sissy.")




LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/28/2005 5:04:59 PM)

I want to thank all of the posters that contributed to the spirit of the thread. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like it will be ending on a positive note. Ah but such is the case at times.

Let's look at the posts that have actually moved the thread forward. It was an issue rarely discussed on these boards and I'm looking forward to it coming up in the future (as that is the way things work here in collarmeland!)

I also want to thank those who kept an open mind throughout this thread. I've learned a lot from many of you.

- LA




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (2/28/2005 9:22:42 PM)

On second thought... I have nothing more to say on this. M




mantis65 -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (2/28/2005 10:08:37 PM)

thank you LadyAngelika ! it was a good topic
mantis




SweetDommes -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (2/28/2005 10:15:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mantis65

thank you LadyAngelika ! it was a good topic
mantis


I agree [:)]




WulfMan -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (2/28/2005 11:43:01 PM)

yes it was a good topic, thank you kindly Miss




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Welcome to CollarMe (3/2/2005 12:10:15 PM)

Ditto...
It was a good topic.
Congratulations LadyAngelika on your soon to be PHD. M




onceburned -> RE: A response to flagrant bigotry (3/2/2005 12:16:23 PM)

Great topic ! Lets do it again sometime. [:)]




GentleLady -> RE: forced masculinity (3/2/2005 2:54:11 PM)

Add My thanks to the others LadyAngelika for a lovely topic. It made Me think about what I do and what I look for and I always appreciate that.

Gentle Lady




LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (3/2/2005 3:27:06 PM)


Ah thanks all. I'm glad we had this little discussion.

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Congratulations LadyAngelika on your soon to be PHD. M


For the record, it's not a PhD but an M.Ed - Masters in Education. :)

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (3/2/2005 3:28:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: onceburned
Great topic ! Lets do it again sometime. [:)]


You can count on it!

- LA




searchingsub -> RE: forced masculinity (4/2/2005 9:36:18 PM)


As a soft spoken submissive man, I think that many Dommes what a very masculine man to dominate. Bi-sexual
Dommes tend to shoe more interest in me than completely straight Dommes. This is true even though I'm not a cross dresser.




sissymaidlola -> RE: Bisexual Dommes show more interest (4/3/2005 12:28:32 AM)

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Bi-sexual Dommes tend to shoe more interest in me than completely straight Dommes. This is true even though I'm not a cross dresser.

That is the fundamental irony of the situation, searchingsub. The males with the really submissive mindset that these Dommes seek are frequently the heterosexual transvestites (by far the majority of TVs) and the not-so masculine non-TV males - and you appear to be including yourself as being one of this latter group. But as you point out, most straight Dommes seek to dominate very masculine males (who don't want to be dominated) and, as this thread has kind of shown, cannot get past their own transphobia to hook up with the males that might truly satisfy Their need. Personally, sissy would claim that qualities such as honesty, integrity, courage, trustworthiness, loyalty, competitiveness, etc. are much more important masculine traits than chest hair, over-developed biceps, or what the male is wearing at any given time (e.g., sissy is still the same honest person whether he is wearing military fatigues, a business suit, or a frilly maid's outfit) but most of the Dommes posting on this thread would clearly disagree with that.

As you also point out, bisexual Dommes tend not to be homophobic and transphobic and so don't trip over such a basic stumbling block. In fact, because of their situation, most GBLs (whether male or female) tend to be much more open-minded and liberal in ALL their beliefs and opinions, not just their choices related to gender or sexual orientation. Like yourself, sissy finds himself being pursued much more by lesbian oriented Women than by straight Dommes. Which is another problem for many so-called straight Dommes ... They have no idea how to pursue a potential mate. They expect the submissive males to pursue Them instead! Hello, what's wrong with this picture ?! Apparently the model for Dominance for these types of Dommes is the Black Widow spider!

sissy maid lola


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LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (4/3/2005 1:15:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: searchingsub

As a soft spoken submissive man, I think that many Dommes what a very masculine man to dominate. Bi-sexual
Dommes tend to shoe more interest in me than completely straight Dommes. This is true even though I'm not a cross dresser.


That might be your experience, but I wouldn't say it's a rule.

I fit into the category of "bisexual Domme" (though I'm not a big fan of the word bisexual, it gets the message across). I've had long term relationships with women and men. I am not however attracted to sissies and/or effiminate men. Does this mean I'm transphobic? Not at all. I actually do small amounts of cross-dressing play but very seldom. People often equate "I don't desire you" with "I don't like you" but that is a very incorrect assumption. What turns me on is what turns me on and I don't have to make any exuses about it.

I have a great respect for how people want to express themselves. I can see how a bisexual person might potentially be more attracted to sissies, but as I said, it's really not a rule. Bisexuality simply means that one has a openess to exploring more then one gender. It doesn't mean we are attracted to the whole gamut. That would be more pansexuality if I'm not mistaken. And even there, personal tastes and desires come into play.

- LA




SweetDommes -> RE: forced masculinity (4/3/2005 1:25:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: searchingsub

As a soft spoken submissive man, I think that many Dommes what a very masculine man to dominate. Bi-sexual
Dommes tend to shoe more interest in me than completely straight Dommes. This is true even though I'm not a cross dresser.


I'm bisexual, and I have to say that this is not me at all. For me, it's all about the attitude/personality. For "drool-ability" I prefer men to be well muscled (not overly so though) and women to be curvy, and plump. But once they open their mouths, it can all change. I know that no one believes this, but for us, it is truly not about looks. There are certain appearance things that don't do anythign for us though, and crossdressing is one of them. The boy that we already have collared is an occational crossdresser - he wishes that we liked it, but is happy that we aren't repulsed by it. It doesn't bother us, but it doesn't 'ring our bells' either.

I agree with LA as well, in that a lot of people equate "I don't desire that" with "I hate that" - I have more than a few friends (besides our boy) who are crossdressers - I don't hate them for it (obviously, or we wouldn't be friends), I'm not disgusted or repulsed by them because of it - but I'm not gonna get all hot when one of them dresses. I shouldn't have to explain or justify that - it just is.




mantis65 -> RE: forced masculinity (4/3/2005 2:39:17 PM)

I am not Tran phobic I just don’t get any thing out of it.
It’s not that humiliating or sexy for me. If it does something for the Dommes that’s great.
She could dress me in a giant bunny suit if she wanted too. Cross-dressing is not something that has ever come into my personal fantasies. It maybe because I never thought about being a woman as a humiliating.

The more likely reason I don’t have cross dressing fantasies is because the original triggers for my Female Domination fantasies
(1960, s Amazon sci-f movies like Eden 2 and Emma peel on the avengers) didn’t have that element so that idea never gelled.
Just because we don’t share a Fetish or part of someone’s life style doesn’t mean we are phobic or hate them.
It just means we don’t “get it”.




onceburned -> RE: forced masculinity (4/3/2005 4:27:35 PM)

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ust because we don’t share a Fetish or part of someone’s life style doesn’t mean we are phobic or hate them.


I don't care for mustard - its not my thing. I do not keep in my house. But I do not think less of someone else for liking mustard. Mustard is okay, it is just not for me.




LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (4/3/2005 4:32:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: onceburned
I don't care for mustard - its not my thing. I do not keep in my house. But I do not think less of someone else for liking mustard. Mustard is okay, it is just not for me.


Hmm... is mustard a hard limit? <weg>

- LA




sissymaidlola -> RE: once they open their mouths (4/3/2005 9:30:21 PM)

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I'm bisexual, and I have to say that this is not me at all. For me, it's all about the attitude/personality. For "drool-ability" I prefer men to be well muscled (not overly so though) and women to be curvy, and plump. But once they open their mouths, it can all change.

That is so true. sissy Has a personal theory that personality is inversely proportional to good looks. That doesn't mean one can't find really good looking people that also have great personalities or ugly mutts that are as boring as hell. But both are rare. Necessity is the mother of invention and someone that is born a radiant feminine beauty, or a male Greek God, quite probably never has to develop their personality much in order to attract others to them - as it is, they may spend most of their lives fending admirers off. OTOH, those of us that are not gifted with great natural beauty usually have to develop our personalities somewhat in order to direct some of the traffic in our own direction.

But personality NOT "drool-ability" looks is what is key to a successful relationship. Beefsteak and cheesecake have their place in magazine centerfolds and on the silver screen, but like all things superficial and ephemeral, one can quickly tire of beefcake or cheesecake. Once a Goddess or Greek God opens their mouth and we realize that although there might be a light on upstairs there's nobody home, perceptions and desires can indeed all change. That also goes for anyone else, such as Doms and Dommes, that elevate Themselves, or are elevated by others, onto a pedestal. They may well find that as soon as They open Their mouth the pedestal starts to wobble or even crumble!

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It doesn't bother us, but it doesn't 'ring our bells' either. <snip> ... I'm not disgusted or repulsed by them because of it [male crossdressing] - but I'm not gonna get all hot when one of them dresses. I shouldn't have to explain or justify that - it just is.

sissy Is just being curious here, but why do You feel that it's necessary to even state that ? Who has said that You must fancy CDs ? There are probably some religions, ethnicities or age ranges or even personal habits that don't turn You on but You don't appear to feel any compulsion to also post that, say, "oriental Women don't turn me on" or "people over the age of 45 don't float my boat." So why single out CDs as the only group that You don't have to explain and justify not getting all hot and bothered for ? Personally, sissy finds people that smoke a big turn-off but he doesn't keep posting that fact on the boards (in fact, that is the first time he has ever posted such a statement and it was done purely for the sake of vindicating the logic of his argument). Perhaps You protest a little too much ?

sissy maid lola


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