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CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Cover-up - 12/30/2006 2:49:39 PM   
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http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/111104cnnpoll.htm

Anyone agree/disagree with this? Why or Why not?




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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 3:01:08 PM   
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I think its just that no one can really trust anything the Bush administration says anymore and now people are looking back at the comments made by the administration concerning the beginning of this mess.

People want answers. They realize the current administration can't be trusted even when it divulges the truth. So they'lll jump to any convenient notion, regardless of how preposterous, to satisfy their needs.


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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 3:05:53 PM   
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Having been travelled these roads with you before, I can say only this, your viewpoints hold commerce with me, but you are so raptly attached to every point that very few alternative explanations are considered

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 3:06:19 PM   
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I prefer to deal with facts over hype.  Polls have shown more women believe Elvis is still alive than Jesus was Jewish.

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 3:21:33 PM   
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Having been travelled these roads with you before, I can say only this, your viewpoints hold commerce with me, but you are so raptly attached to every point that very few alternative explanations are considered

Ron   


Now there's a response, hit the response button befoer typing anything LOL

Ok so are you saying that i argue frivolous points that are without merit to the bitter end or that as a matter of discovery i come to a conclusion that disagrees with others?  That last one you all got involved in with me as a group where i knew very little about it when i first started and frankly made shocking discoveries along the way....  i basically go at this stuff with my knowledge base and experience in life and make decisions based on that...  or did i just have points that were very hard to argue against?... 


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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 3:22:12 PM   
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Do you really not know what a web poll is? are you that clueless?  I tend to think not, and that you are aware what you are doing.  Why would you post a link to a real poll first( that does not back up your claim).  Are you hoping people will glance a the headline and say "oh its from Scripps, it must be true?"  I really like some of the findings from the Scripps poll, "  The level of suspicion of U.S. official involvement in a 9/11 conspiracy was only slightly behind the 40 percent who suspect "officials in the federal government were directly responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy" and the 38 percent who believe "the federal government is withholding proof of the existence of intelligent life from other planets."
The poll found that a majority of young adults give at least some credence to a 9/11 conspiracy compared to less than a fourth of people 65 or older. Members of racial and ethnic minorities, people with only a high school education and Democrats were especially likely to suspect federal involvement in 9/11. "

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 3:34:01 PM   
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Why would you post a link to a real poll first( that does not back up your claim). 


Because it illustrates how controversial the subject is.  


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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 4:10:51 PM   
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      I'm not at all surprised by the results of such a telephone poll.  It has been conclusively demonstrated that tin-foil hats improve cell phone reception.

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 4:35:56 PM   
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/111104cnnpoll.htm

Anyone agree/disagree with this? Why or Why not?

What a meaningless poll.  90% of the people who called in and voted 'yes' on that poll are probably members of Alex Jones' Tinfoil Taliban. 

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 5:18:05 PM   
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No doubt the same number of dummies that think there are UFOs and Elvis is still alive.

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 5:23:54 PM   
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/111104cnnpoll.htm

Anyone agree/disagree with this? Why or Why not?

What a meaningless poll.  90% of the people who called in and voted 'yes' on that poll are probably members of Alex Jones' Tinfoil Taliban. 

~stef

i wasnt aware he was that popular. 

So is this just a hit and run cheap shot or do you have something to actually talk about here?   Data?  a link?  anything at all worth while to contribute to this and support your position beyond "probably" and Bush style labeling and name calling?


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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 5:37:42 PM   
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Why would you post a link to a real poll first( that does not back up your claim). 



Because it illustrates how controversial the subject is.  

But it doesn't.  It illustrates that you are using lies(knowingly) to make your point.  It shows that you are overstating the level of controversy.  And it shows that the same folks believe in Aliens.  Alex Jones does also.   In reference to the meaningless web poll, your link shows that Alex Jones wants his readers to go there and vote in it.

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 5:38:16 PM   
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Ok firstly i hold no personal opinion on whether there was a conspiracy theory or not.
 
More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East,
Could they not have found a different reason to go to war, one that did not involve the killing of innocent victims?
Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
I think this could be fairly accurate - the more you dislike someone, the more you are likely to believe they would do terrible things.
Conspiracy-believing participants in the poll agree their suspicions are recent.
Could this not just be we dont like what the government has done so lets add a conspiracy theory to the list?
 
With respect you seem to like your conspiracies over there, john f kennedy, aliens, elvis, marilyn monroe etc etc.
Maybe its a little paranoia?

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 6:07:32 PM   
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quote:

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Having been travelled these roads with you before, I can say only this, your viewpoints hold commerce with me, but you are so raptly attached to every point that very few alternative explanations are considered

Ron   


Now there's a response, hit the response button befoer typing anything LOL

Ok so are you saying that i argue frivolous points that are without merit to the bitter end or that as a matter of discovery i come to a conclusion that disagrees with others?  That last one you all got involved in with me as a group where i knew very little about it when i first started and frankly made shocking discoveries along the way....  i basically go at this stuff with my knowledge base and experience in life and make decisions based on that...  or did i just have points that were very hard to argue against?... 



I said all that?  I AM fuckin' impressed with myself.

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 6:37:04 PM   
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Why would you post a link to a real poll first( that does not back up your claim). 



Because it illustrates how controversial the subject is.  

But it doesn't.  It illustrates that you are using lies(knowingly) to make your point.  It shows that you are overstating the level of controversy.  And it shows that the same folks believe in Aliens.  Alex Jones does also.   In reference to the meaningless web poll, your link shows that Alex Jones wants his readers to go there and vote in it.


Ok i am really confused here on this.

If you would quote me on exactly what i said that overstates the level of controversy i would appreciate it,

Some folks do believe in aliens thats true, Thats probably a topic for another thread, but in word i neither believe nor disbelieve but neither am i so arrogant as to think earth is the only place in the universe with sentient life.  (especially after watching that nova doc) lol

Would you also explain where the site asks people to vote? i cant find that either.  i thought he was using cnn to prove his point? Did i miss something there?  To the best of my knowledge that poll was closed down in 2004 i dont think cnn runs 2 year polls do they?

The controversy i am talking about is the one on government conspiracy.  They make some well thought out points imo on both sides of the fence.

i frankly disagree with the cnn poll as most of the people i put the question too in the r1 poll cant even hear it much less consider that the government could possibly engage in such activities. 



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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 6:54:12 PM   
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Well,  on the Prision Planet page you cite it says" 
CNN Poll: 89% Believe US Government Covering Up 9/11
CNN | November 11 2004
FLASHBACK: Zogby Poll: Half of New Yorkers Believe Government Complicity in 9/11
Vote online now, go to http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360 "

<I made it bigger so you couldn't miss it.>So when he gives the link and tells people to vote now, it is obvious that he is trying to stack the deck( I am sure the poll closed long ago, send alex an e-mail and tell him to edit his site< Ironically that is what he alleges others do>, you might get a free T-shirt.)  Also, we know that Alex makes his living from selling books and videos about this stuff.  Also we know there is an entire cottage industry of 911 conspiricy stuff.  I am sure this poll was mentioned on Coast to Coast(surely you know of it and Art Bell, if not check it out, you will love it.  We Also all know that a poll with out a scientifically representative sample means less than nothing.  You did cite Data from a meangless poll as the headline of this thread, I took that as you giving it credence,and you "overstating the level of Contraversy".   If you agree with me that Alex Jones was purposely stacking and posting ridiculous "Data" on his site to try to trick the foolish, I agree with you.

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 6:56:19 PM   
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i wasnt aware he was that popular. 

You weren't?  You regularly post links to his "data" and his movies.

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So is this just a hit and run cheap shot or do you have something to actually talk about here?

I am talking about something here.  I'm stating that poll is meaningless.  Was that not clear?

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Data?  a link?

Do you?  Something meaningful, I mean.  You haven't so far.

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 7:33:07 PM   
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Could they not have found a different reason to go to war, one that did not involve the killing of innocent victims?
Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
I think this could be fairly accurate - the more you dislike someone, the more you are likely to believe they would do terrible things.
Conspiracy-believing participants in the poll agree their suspicions are recent.
Could this not just be we dont like what the government has done so lets add a conspiracy theory to the list?
 
With respect you seem to like your conspiracies over there, john f kennedy, aliens, elvis, marilyn monroe etc etc.
Maybe its a little paranoia?


i dont think thats what fuels a conspiracy theory.

The quickest way to create and fuel a conspiracy is with obvious inconsistancies.  

Here is an example...For instance if your dad died while pumping up a car tire because it exploded and you looked at the air pump and the gauge of the pressure in the air tank was 30 pounds that would cause you to immediately question how its possible with only 30 pounds of air to explode a car tire.  Then if you discovered charred residue on the fender you would have yet further concern knowing that only an accelerant would leave such residue not air.  Then if the police were to quickly take the car and put it in the junk yard to be crushed for scrap and shipped out, that would be even further concern, at least in this country because it is illegal to remove evidence and dispose of it from a crime scene. that would be even more room for concern.  Then when you discover that your dad had a 20 million dollar insurance policy that would go to his business partner upon his death, then the picture starts to unfold that maybe something is awry.  

When the government or anyone for that matter in things like this, create questions with their inactions, inappropriate analysis, failure to investigate, etc etc etc that is what fuels conspiracy theorists.

It is pretty well known at this late date that the kennedy assasination was a conspiracy on some level.  Simply to many things happened that are far to coincidental that calculating the odds you wind up with a rediculous number of zeros at the end of the number.

So that ishow conspiracies are born.


i think people become alienated when they are lied to, by your best buddy or the government.  The bush admin is on a lot of peoples shit list for lying about wmd's in iraq so we would go along with his war.  That alienates people and if he purports lies as truth and the puzzle does not fit then there is often a good chance the truth can be found elsewhere for those who are willing to dig for it and put in a little elbow grease and hard work and then of course there are the masses if you will who odten times do not even know who the president of the country is that are clueless from the start, those in denial that if it comes from another source but the government many think its from quacks or conspiracy nuts at first glance rather than look at the facts.  So conspiracies do happen, and they are real but only to those who work at gathering the evidence.  Over 2000 people died and this country owes we the people an honest answer.

It takes a while to gather info...  there is so much involved in something like this a person trying to work their way through it almost needs a phd in virtually everything in life to figure it out.

In the case of 911 we are talking:
Building construction
The mechanical and failure properties of steel
The temperature it melts at
demolition techniques
how buildings fall when demolished vs just topples over
how fires burn
chemical reactions
and on and on and on and on literally

That in addition with mounds of data regarding the circumstances surrounding the incident itself.  i can easily come up with 5 pages of inconsistancies regarding the collapse of 911. then there is people movements, meetings, who is talking with who, and you find literally mounds of inconsistancies that never show up in an honest joe type incident.

So its not that we americans like our conspiracies its that we are not to quick to take things being sold to us at face value unless at least the greater  majority of the peices to the puzzle fit first. 

No one questioned the plane that hit the empire state building.  there were no major inconsistancies there.

People usually do not make war with other countries.  governments do.


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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 7:42:27 PM   
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In the case of 911 we are talking:
Building construction
The mechanical and failure properties of steel
The temperature it melts at
demolition techniques
how buildings fall when demolished vs just topples over
how fires burn
chemical reactions
and on and on and on and on literally


Can you cite anyone with a PHD in a relevant field that agrees with you and Alex on any of these things?

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RE: CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Co... - 12/30/2006 7:47:41 PM   
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Can you cite anyone that doesn't?
 
thankyou realone for some interesting info.

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