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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:16:41 PM   
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just one - we're smart enough to know where the bulbs are, where the ladder is, and to turn the light socket off before changing it, all on our own.

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:17:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

To get back on topic, How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?

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None. A man should do it.

Edited to add: Unless the feminists are men - then they have to get a woman because everything is equal so they shouldn't be expected to do all the work! 

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:23:54 PM   
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Both wrong. 

"That's not funny!"

The way I deal with feminists is to gently remind them where the kitchen is and what time I want dinner.

"Blowjob????  That's yo job!"

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:31:37 PM   
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As a male sub, wouldn't it be your job to fix your domme dinner, then beg for scraps?

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:44:32 PM   
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quote:

To get back on topic, How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?

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OOOH oooh  oooh  I know this one:

Three.  One to change the bulb.  One to provide child care.  And one to suggest that the need for lightbulbs is another sign of the repressive war-mongering Patriarchy and true wymynhood can live just fine in the nurturing, Mother-centered dark, goddess dammit!

*grin*

E.

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:46:19 PM   
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quote:

He goes to various BDSM play parties ...
... he tops frequently in his sex life so I feel like he should understand.


I'm totally new to WIITWD, so I hesitate to chime in. But I couldn't help noticing these sentences from one of your posts. Is it possible, perhaps, that what really agitates him is his own interest in BDSM? Might he be wondering if he can still think of himself as a feminist, or even a decent man, if part of him enjoys dominating women? Rather than face that part of himself, he may find it easier to turn on submissive women.

That's just a thought, and it may be totally off-base. Yet I found myself thinking about how a "friend" in a completely different context recently flamed me about what he saw as poor choices on my part. A few days later, he admitted that he was angry with himself for doing exactly what he was blaming me for.

Again, just something to consider.

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:49:00 PM   
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Benji... I've heard this before, my ex Master tells feminist jokes... but I can't remember His answer... will you please share your answer?

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:49:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

As a male sub, wouldn't it be your job to fix your domme dinner, then beg for scraps?


Nope.  Because I'd never date someone so delusional as to think women have human rights.....

Can you imagine?????

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:50:33 PM   
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I already said my answer....  "That's not funny."

The only other possible one would be "None.  The bitch can cook in the dark."

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 10:54:29 PM   
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Oh ok... I see now. Haha I haven't heard those yet, and I still forget what my ex's answer was... I'll have to share those with Him. Thanks. =^-^=

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/2/2007 11:00:18 PM   
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wow.........and here I thought I was defiant lol

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/3/2007 1:46:54 AM   
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It really is nobody else's business how you want to run your life. I am 46, and it took me decades to learn this, though. Really. When I was your age, I was overly concerned with what other people thought. Part of the reason was - because I thought they might know more than I did. But I've read your posts, and I've concluded you are one smart cookie, AquaticSub.

So was I, at your age, but I did not really think I knew much more than anyone else. I thought almost everyone else knew more, in fact. Maybe not all the time, but most of the time. It turned put to not be true, though - and I am not trying to sound arrogant in stating that. As time went by, I figured out about half the people I seemed to meet - didn't have the vaguest leg to stand on when it came to actually defending their loud, arrogantly protested veiwpoints.

I dislike dealing with loud boors anyway, generally, but - they sometimes were also a bit dim - they couldn't, much of the time, really seem to give me a very good explanation as far as why I would need to defend mine - to them. Which would be an excellent question to ask this person, btw,- since they seem intent on putting you on the defensive.

The only person I would think you'd ever need to explain yourself to would be your Dominant, or someone you really feel you need to convince for some other reason. Otherwise - why even waste the energy? Don't bother. Opt out. Say you'll debate it some other time (like the year 2093, perhaps).

If this person really is a friend - a decent, good friend, then they don't have to "understand" or completely agree - with your views. They will accept your views (whether they agree with them, or not) as part of you. Because they like you, and care about you. They may differ with your views - but they won't make it a huge issue in your friendship.

If this person cannot behave in a more diplomatic manner, I would suggest politely seeing less of them. You deserve the respect of a good friend. I think good friends do give eachother some "breathing room" as far as views. I actually do have a few friends who are Vegans, for instance, (remembering the "Vegan" thread from awhile back). They are very aware I am not a Vegan, and somehow the topic never comes between us - because - they don't let it - and neither do I. We work it out, and work at it.

Friends do that for eachother - in my opinion (within limits, of course). Some people (your "friend" for instance) seem to believe it is imperative friends agree with him on this issue. That seems to be what he is saying. Well - I'd maybe ask him this (if you want to even bother) - Are all of his "friends" the same religion he is, for example? Etc., etc. Maybe it really is a deal-breaker for friendship - to him (I wouldn't make it one, but some people are different, and we all have a right to our own views).
But anyway - I think...

This person who is "debating" with you - I think, either has poor manners, or is an egomaniac convinced they own "the truth". I just gotta love people who think they've got the market cornered on "the truth" - don't you? I would debate them myself, but frankly, I think they are too easy a target, and there is just not enough of a challenge for me, so I skip it altogether. Either way, if I had to deal with them on a daily basis, I'd probably be stocking up on aspirin for headaches.

Trust yourself. You do have  perfect right to your own opinion.

Sincerely,

Susan  

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/3/2007 10:30:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

wow.........and here I thought I was defiant lol


No comment.

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/3/2007 12:04:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

The only other possible one would be "None.  The bitch can cook in the dark."



~staring dumbly at the screen~

~sudden hysteria~

~pee pee~

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/11/2007 11:28:07 PM   
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point out that subs can be men who submit to women.

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 1/12/2007 8:00:58 AM   
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greetings
 
i don't 'handle' them at all. i have my own beliefs, my friends and family have theirs. i respect their beliefs and as long as they respect mine, everyone is happy. We debate the issues quite often, but we are mature enough to understand that the other may never share what we believe.

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 2/12/2007 5:55:54 PM   
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hello...

this post is old but I found it really fascinating and wanted to put my 2 cents in. I have always and still consider myself a feminist, and have only recently considered my submissive. I did have some ideological issues, but once I decided that this was something I felt, I felt free.

The feminist sexual ideal in the vanilla world seems to be Sex and the City--lots of sex with any man, trying anything to prove how sexually liberated they are. No wonder they're always frustrated and exhausted. I think of myself as a feminist submissive for many reasons--the most important is my own personal definitions of those words, which not everyone may share. I've always thought that being feminist simply meant the equal rights under the law and society for women. But many feminists want everything that men have in equal measures--whether the party involved wants it that way or not. And if you don't want their brand of equality, then you're deviant or traitor or under some man's thumb.

I'm sure that's true in many cases....but don't you think that being a willing female submissive in this culture is far more serious and revolutionary than being a girl who plays by unspoken rules so the guy will "respect her?" We have almost equal rights. We could decide to be dominant any many ways. We could demand equal voice in the bedroom. We don't need to obey or live like we're in the 50's. We don't have to experience pain or surrender. But we're giving that up. Why?

Everyone has their reasons. I know that this is a gift I want to give and no one has been the right man to understand and accept it. Giving up those rights and trusting someone to push back the boundaries that society and mislabeled feminists have imposed on our private lives is a big deal. To redefine words like slave and obedience and service in this culture takes a lot more than engaging in kinky leather sex for a couple hours, or berating your date because he didn't hold the door open for you. It asks that our man be special--really special--truthful, respectful, caring and serious. If only for a few hours. How many "feminists" in bars around the city are demanding that as they check out the singles scene? From personal experience let me tell you--not much.

If we're redefining words, let's redefine feminist. What I want, as a woman, is valid no matter what anyone else says, so long as it doesn't intentionally hurt someone else.

Unless they specifically asked. :)

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 2/12/2007 7:05:30 PM   
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Just my two cents--I got far more anti-feminist guilt from the S&M folks (mostly at TES) than I ever did in the feminist community (and I've been professionally associated with some leading feminists.)

I know NOW did that thing, but they renedged on that a while back and none of the S&Mers seemed to know that--I felt like the S&M people I knew were forcing me to make the choice, not the feminists.

Of course, feminism is so VERY broad it is impossible to say who defines it.  But when a leading feminist theorist can write a book on S&M as a performance (Lynda Hart's Between the Body and the Flesh) it is important to note that there is not an anti-S&M consensus. 

(An odd aside--I would say there is a strong anti-S&M consensus in the New Age community, or holistic learning center, or whatever you want to cal it.  Every New Age bookstore I've been to, and I've been to a lot, has either ignore S&M completely or stocked Riane Eisler's disaster of a book.  The day that the Omega center has an S&M class or Eselan (not on how-to but on the spiritual journey, whatever), I think that would be far more freeing to the people like me, a generation younger, than another statement by feminists.

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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 2/12/2007 7:32:44 PM   
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The freedom to choose the life you want is the height of feminism. Don't let doctrinaires get you down, and remember, they come from both the left and right.


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RE: Handling Feminist Friends - 2/12/2007 7:34:47 PM   
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Absolutely. Nicely stated.

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