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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/3/2007 7:37:46 AM   
CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: GoddessGreed

ah but if the bottom is in control, why are they labeled the bottom!


Because they are the ones receiving the sensation  (the most commonly used description of a bottom)  and not a submissive or slave?

I've rarely seen it written that the term 'bottom' can be used interchangeably with the terms 'submissive' or 'slave' because they are indistinguishable.  I have seen it written that a bottom, in many cases NOT being a submissive or slave, often does define what they would like to have happen to them.  If they are paying hard-earned cash, then oddly enough they tend to want more control over what they are paying for.

Terrible isn't it when people think that just because they pay for something, they should actually be able to dictate what it is they get?

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/3/2007 2:50:07 PM   
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Money changes everything here!  Your average hooker isn't out whoring because of a love for sex or intimacy, and neither is "Mistress" here....  Ick!

That doesn't necessarily mean the whore isn't doing it because they have no other choice or are ONLY doing it for the money.

But the point is about *control* and in this scenario, "Mistress" certainly IS doing it for the submissive's money and at his insistance.  If she really had control, she'd be saying something like "another time, I'm too tired!"
 
Focus.

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/3/2007 2:56:07 PM   
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But the point is about *control* and in this scenario, "Mistress" certainly IS doing it for the submissive's money and at his insistance.  If she really had control, she'd be saying something like "another time, I'm too tired!"

Focus.

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/3/2007 3:49:14 PM   
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 Money changes everything,even if the constituants are unaware of this fact! who is in control? obviously not the whore , she is enslaved because she has agreed to trade a specific service for money! !, To collect the cash , and support her "business",she needs to deal with the john when he  is ready willing and able to pay/play.I also find it difficult to believe a guy that needs to pay someone, to demonstrate, that he needs to be told by someone  ,when and  how far to stick a cucumber up his ass is  in control ! neither is in control! they both have agreed to acept the others terms and rely on each other in this scenario! Its a business deal!

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/3/2007 5:07:17 PM   
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No control. Just like a tick on a dog or a lamprey on a salmon...you go with your meal ticket,,,A true parasite!

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/3/2007 5:39:52 PM   
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Per the question in the OP, it is obvious that the control is in the hands of the submissive/bottom. He has paid for a service and the service is being performed by the Domme or Dominatrix in this case, howbeit online or on phone or on cam. The Domme is doing nothing more than whoring her services out in this case, she in truth is the one that is being paid for her services and therefore is the one that is in subjection to her client or john.

A prostitute that is hired to play Mommy to someone that has an infantalism fetish is still the one being paid, she is still the one who has to fit the desires of her client, even if her client is the one acting like a baby and wearing a diaper. There really is no difference in this.

However, the question of ONLINE DOMS, ARE THEY REALLY IN CONTROL? That is another question to ponder entirely. Let's take the money out of the question. Say he never pays. Say that he has submitted to the Mistress as her regular slave, but they have never met. Is she in control?

How does she really know? She only seems to be in control as long as the cam is on. Even if they are texting, or on the phone, unless there is a cam monitoring the actions she does not know if he is truly doing what he says he is doing. She does not know if he is obeying.

Trust is a huge part of such a relationship, but how much can you trust someone you have never met, or only met once or twice? To be fully honest, about as far as you can go outside and lift your car and throw it. Everything is taken on faith. The trust you give to them is blind trust no matter what you say. Until they actually are in your life on a regular basis there is no way you can know for certain that they are worthy of the trust you have given to them.

Over and over again I have seen relationships that have lasted for years online, and I said YEARS, and then suddenly one will find out that the other had been lying to them the entire time. That there never was any intention of making the relationship permanent, that there were other slaves, or a spouse, or children, or something else involved that made the entire situation impossible.

Even though I will not lie to someone and will tell them everything and they will say, "Oh that is something I can deal with." Over and over again it turns out to be something they cannot deal with, and the relationship ends, sometimes they end friendly and we stay friends for years, sometimes they end sourly. Sometimes they end because the other person lied or did not reveal everything about themselves and became even more of a player.

So, can an online Dominant be in Control... they can... but it is rare... it takes a very special connection and two very special people and those are very difficult to find. For the most part online relationships are a lie on one persons part or the others and eventually the innocent person will be hurt. It is a shame it has to be that way, but it is an unfortunate truth that in general the human race deceives each other on such a regular basis that you can almost count on the fact that you were lied to more times today than you care to know about.

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/3/2007 7:06:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessGreed

Oh yes there is! There are plenty of 'financial slaves' out there, that just want to give gifts or money to a beautiful woman, just because he wants to spoil her and nothing more...he gets nothing out of it, apart from the satisfaction that hes keeping her happy.


HIGHLY  doubtful....you like to think there are guys like that out there....but i simply can't imagine anyone being that dumb.

just my opinion.

as humans, we are all ultimately self serving.  i can't for a minute believe that there are guys out there who give their money to some disembodied freeze dried femme domme internet typist with NO expectations of something in return.  ithink that is YOUR fantasy.

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/3/2007 11:39:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hercuckslave

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as humans, we are all ultimately self serving.  i can't for a minute believe that there are guys out there who give their money to some disembodied freeze dried femme domme internet typist with NO expectations of something in return.  ithink that is YOUR fantasy.

M's m


believe me, its not ;)

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/4/2007 7:30:26 AM   
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With each post you sound more pathetic.

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/4/2007 12:07:22 PM   
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You get out of a relationship what you put into it.  If the "bottom" is happy paying and doing whatever comes to mind of the top, good for him. 

The top get what she wants.  Money.

As to control, it depends on where you sit.  She can always say no.  As can he.  Both parties must be willing and "buy in."    

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/5/2007 12:38:04 AM   
GoddessGreed


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With each post you sound more pathetic.

out.

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p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.


excuse me?? Im just saying how it is! I am not offending anyone, being rude, or anything else, I am entitled to my opinion the same as you are yours, kindly keep the insults to yourself . It appears that everyone else has made interesting points and opinions, which is what I was looking for...but then, i suppose, as with everything, you always get one dont you!

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/5/2007 3:03:24 PM   
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An online Domme is only in control of the sub(at least in the begining)when they are chatting(webcam) in my opinion.

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/5/2007 3:36:34 PM   
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Personally I believe online and telephone domination are uninteresting.  That being said, I think the control can be as real or fake as any other kind.  Many domme here are in control of men who could very easily physically over come them........ seems this is as real as the other.

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/5/2007 4:23:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessGreed

male sub messages his 'Mistress' She knows he wants to be humiliated, but she is tired, really cant be bothered to watch him shove a cucumber up his ass! She really isnt in the mood to think about new ideas for her sub..but she does it anyway, coz hes goin to pay her. She takes his money, thinks up a new idea to humiliate him (work work work *yawn*) She smiles to herself thinking she is in control *coughs* This 'sub' has just got exactly what he wants! he has paid money to his 'mistress' to get her to do as he needs! Who is in control?!
Now I am very willing to take anything I can..I am also very willing to humiliate etc...but ONLY when I want to be amused, ONLY when I feel like it.....in My opinion there are far too many online doms out there, with totally the wrong end of the stick ( or cucumber!)


Huh?

(And if my math is correct...this makes two)

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/5/2007 4:33:18 PM   
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I am about to become your new religion........


I am your goddess, stunning, beautiful,and teasing, . I am perfection, you need me, but I am unavailable. You yearn to touch Me, addicted...your dream. You so badly crave to be a part of my world, and have my attention, but you know you are not worthy.


I am searching for a few good online slaves...dont make the mistake of thinking im here for you, you are here for ME ME ME!
Dare you continue? You know you have to, I own you.........


This is what your profile states...."You are not worthy"...Unless you have a few bucks.

"Don't make the mistake of thinking im here for you"...Unless you have a few bucks.

Again this is probably a good gig for you. Find some idiot willing to give you money for an "online" thrill.

Pathetic was a strong choice of words...You undoubtedly provide a service(whether you are a dom or not) for which your sole motivation seems to rely on being compensated....Control in this case is laughable...your services are bought and paid for...P.T. Barnum would be proud of you...It may not be pathetic...christ, maybe it's brilliant,,,just can't think of a better adjective at this time....Help anyone?...

Just seems that a woman of with your attributes: Stunning.beautiful and teasing...could don one of those "uniforms" that you profess to be an "expert" in and find a real job.

out.

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/6/2007 2:47:00 AM   
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I am about to become your new religion........


I am your goddess, stunning, beautiful,and teasing, . I am perfection, you need me, but I am unavailable. You yearn to touch Me, addicted...your dream. You so badly crave to be a part of my world, and have my attention, but you know you are not worthy.


I am searching for a few good online slaves...dont make the mistake of thinking im here for you, you are here for ME ME ME!
Dare you continue? You know you have to, I own you.........


This is what your profile states...."You are not worthy"...Unless you have a few bucks.

"Don't make the mistake of thinking im here for you"...Unless you have a few bucks.

Again this is probably a good gig for you. Find some idiot willing to give you money for an "online" thrill.

Pathetic was a strong choice of words...You undoubtedly provide a service(whether you are a dom or not) for which your sole motivation seems to rely on being compensated....Control in this case is laughable...your services are bought and paid for...P.T. Barnum would be proud of you...It may not be pathetic...christ, maybe it's brilliant,,,just can't think of a better adjective at this time....Help anyone?...

Just seems that a woman of with your attributes: Stunning.beautiful and teasing...could don one of those "uniforms" that you profess to be an "expert" in and find a real job.

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.


There you go again, assuming!
you know nothing about me, or what I do, you have merely read my profile and jumped to several incorrect conclusions....1) that Im pathetic! 2) that i dont have a 'real ' job ( by the way, how would you define a 'real job'?!) and 3) that somewhere along the line I have proffessed to being an expert in anything!
now if you dont mind, it would be great to get back to the subject in hand, instead of inflicting personal attacks on someone you know nothing about :-)

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/6/2007 7:08:23 AM   
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well all disrespect intened msGREED , you give the impresion of being all about the acqusition of money ,you imply you know first hand there are men stupid enough to give you money while recieving nothing in return . all we know about you is what you project to us! why would you make this presentation if it were not true?so it seems you are either a liar or a whore . if i was going to make an asumption , i would say  both!

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/6/2007 10:15:54 AM   
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so it seems you are either a liar or a whore . if i was going to make an asumption , i would say  both!


Can someone advise to how to use the smileys...i need that little man rolling around laughing!!!

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/6/2007 10:19:53 AM   
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 there!

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RE: Online Doms, are they really in control? - 1/6/2007 10:37:46 AM   
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You get out of a relationship what you put into it.  If the "bottom" is happy paying and doing whatever comes to mind of the top, good for him. 

The top get what she wants.  Money.

As to control, it depends on where you sit.  She can always say no.  As can he.  Both parties must be willing and "buy in."    



I agree with you, xonemasterx.

Both depend upon one another to exist. 
Both need the other to exist.

Neither are in control. 

One could not exist without the other.  They are like two flip sides of the same coin. 

No money no service. 
No service no money. 

Mutually inclusive and go hand in hand, equally.

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