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why make such a freaking big deal about it?

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these 'little lies & omissions' say volumes about their integrity,

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An interesting chat about age

So many times in my life, a relationship or friendship I wanted to be in was made unavailable because someone decided my or their age, or both wasnt right, acceptable or beneficial(usually to everyone but me). Most of the time, I felt it a contrivance, and a ploy, and in reality a numbers game, where I would always be loser. Recently, i realized I'd grown tired of playing, and stopped for all intents and purposes. While I doubt this will remedy anything, and I'll still lose in default, by virtue of not playing, at least I wont have to feel like the fool who had to ante up the very info which caused him to lose to begin with.
i think this chat I had recently illustrates my point quite clearly. (WHILE PARAPHRASED SOME, THIS CHAT REALLY HAPPENED, BUT WASNT WRITTEN TO CALL OUT THE GIRL IT TOOK PLACE WITH, BUT IN FACT ALL WHO SHARE HER VIEWS PRESENTED BELOW. OBVIOUSLY HER REAL NICK ISNT USED)

/begin chat
SubWithAgeLimits : How old are you really?
sir_mgd : i will never say my actual age to a woman again as long as i live.
SubWithAgeLimits : That's not fair.
SubWithAgeLimits : Tell me
sir_mgd : its a matter of public record, its on my dl...women wanna play the age stereo-type snafu game, ill not help them...its just a number
sir_mgd : sorry, really
SubWithAgeLimits : If you're not going to be honest with me, we can't be friends... that's not even fair.
sir_mgd :Not being dishonest, just saying NO...big difference. but since you brought up honesty, do you have any idea how many women lie about their age on cm and elsewhere? And Fair? you kidding me? fuck fair. "ALL'S fair in love and war."
SubWithAgeLimits : I don't care about women, I'm just trying to get to know you.
SubWithAgeLimits : What is your problem?
SubWithAgeLimits : Ok
SubWithAgeLimits : You graduated in 1990
SubWithAgeLimits : Means you're 11 years older than me.
SubWithAgeLimits : Wait no, 12
SubWithAgeLimits : because I graduated a year early
SubWithAgeLimits : So you're 35
SubWithAgeLimits : Am I right?
sir_mgd : if my years on this planet matter so much to you, that you'd conclude with being my friend, im not sure im too concerned with being yours. thats the very attitude I dislike. no age, no category, so no relationship...ok w.a., darn.
SubWithAgeLimits : Wow... you are bitter
sir_mgd : not at all, just choose not to say. mysterious maybe...or tired of certain things..im an iconoclast
SubWithAgeLimits : I'm worth much more than that... If you're THAT insistant on punishing ME for the betrayal others have done to you, then you're right, we shouldn't be friends.
sir_mgd : Worth? so your wishes outweigh my preference in a choice I have every right to make? Sorry, you arent worth more than that whatsoever, and how is it punishing you?..its a quirk..like most artists, i have many. While its considered impolite to even ask a woman her age socially, a woman thinks she has the inalienable, god given human right to know a mans age as tho it were part of the constitution?..i think not, and that smacks of hippocrysy.
sir_mgd : dowanna be my friend girl?, just say so...poof.
SubWithAgeLimits : You know, I'm an actual person
sir_mgd : Used to getting your way arent you? Have you ever not gotten your way little hot rich girl? im just refusing to give an answer, whereas most people lie.
SubWithAgeLimits : I just wanted to get to know you.
sir_mgd : yes, im tempted to reveal it to you more than i am those irl...but if any desire from you for ANY sort of relationship with me is predicated on my age, i think thats insulting, and i doubt you really want to insult me, so please, can we move past this?
SubWithAgeLimits : No
sir_mgd :...it's also, immature, counterproductive and naive.
sir_mgd : you do know me, and now know im a man who wont say some stupid number for you to decide which slot he goes in.
SubWithAgeLimits : slot?
sir_mgd : you also know im a man who does as he wishes, and wont give you your way because your a beautiful woman..aint that a daisy?
SubWithAgeLimits : Are you insecure?
sir_mgd : the opposite...resolute.
SubWithAgeLimits : That's not even true.
sir_mgd :unbelievable..i get called a liar no matter what i say.
SubWithAgeLimits : You're trying to play a game.
sir_mgd : hey you brought it up
sir_mgd : seems you keep your profile on mxspace private...how is that different girl?
SubWithAgeLimits : I invited you.(she didnt, i got no invite)
SubWithAgeLimits : I just dont like random people viewing my blogs and personal information.
sir_mgd ): its your choice..doesnt matter to you that others have to jump thru more hoops to view it..its your choice to make something private, if people dont respect the choices of others...then it bites, doesnt it?
SubWithAgeLimits : Why don't you want me to know you?
sir_mgd :I thought we were talking...no?
SubWithAgeLimits : And why are you getting so upset?
sir_mgd :far from it, lol, i think this is quite funny, albeit sadly predictable.
SubWithAgeLimits : What, do you think I'll judge you or something?
sir_mgd :there is no doubt in my mind, given your inability to understand it's actually none of your business, and youre refusal to see the hippocrysy of your arguement.
sir_mgd : Like it said in my profile: I am a young man, in his prime, that is all you need to know.
SubWithAgeLimits : Rude.
sir_mgd :Sorry, but that would be you, not i.
sir_mgd : you have no idea how age is constantly used by women as a defense mechanism, when i was young, i was "too young", when i was in my 20's she was "lookin for someone in his thirties"...when I hit thirty, all a sudden the preoccupation with older men had vanished. im just removing the variable..let them figure it out. Its women who play this game, cleverly diguised as "I have a right to know". I just dont wish to play...so I don't say. And fyi you have no right to even ask, much less know.
sir_mgd : and ooooh they dont like it do they?
SubWithAgeLimits : But we are just friends, because of distance, thats the first thing you told me. So what would age even matter???
sir_mgd : it doesnt matter, thats my whole point.
SubWithAgeLimits : You are so rude.
SubWithAgeLimits : Seriously.
sir_mgd : no, If I were rude, when you asked my age, I'd have just said "fuck you" <---now thats rude.
SubWithAgeLimits : I dont need this.
sir_mgd : i dont either
sir_mgd : i have not been rude girl, saying no isnt rude, but last time I checked, what youre doing here was.
sir_mgd : god, i just dont want to be defined by time, or years or anything i dont choose to be, can you allow me that small freedom?
sir_mgd : perhaps not...your actions belie your words.
SubWithAgeLimits : I'm mentally unstable
sir_mgd : so you know how time's trickery makes life more painful.
SubWithAgeLimits : I don't do well with games
SubWithAgeLimits : Or whatever this is
sir_mgd : youre calling it a game as though you have the semantic expertise to do so. Hello, this is just you not getting your way, and hearing a man say no to you for perhaps the first time. If its a game, your the only one out to win something. Im not trying for anything but retaining a small piece of privacy. Of all the unmitigated gall to expect a man to supply the very information you'll use to stereotype or reject him with.
SubWithAgeLimits : I dont even know what semantic expertise means.
sir_mgd : semantics...the study of meaning. expertise:..hmmm, since youre a virgin, you should look that one up yourself.
SubWithAgeLimits : But it seems like you think people will like you more if they dont know your real age, but really no one will ever really love, or accept all of you if they dont know all of you.
sir_mgd : wow, you are so distraught over my simple choice on this, you have thrown love into the guilt trip...im not trying to get anyone to love or like me, nor am i trying to win anything or anyones approval, im just me..take me as i am, or curbify me, since i dont seem to have your precious number tag for categorization purposes.
SubWithAgeLimits : Guilt trip?
sir_mgd : isnt that what this actually is?
SubWithAgeLimits : No, it's my observation.
sir_mgd :You expect me to buy that?
sir_mgd : you wouldnt fall for me either way
SubWithAgeLimits : And why is that?
sir_mgd: because, youre looking for a reason not to, or we'd not be doing this.
SubWithAgeLimits: That's the last thing on my mind
sir_mgd : bullshit, but youre missing the obvious point, which separates me from everyone, and makes me more worthy of your friendship.
SubWithAgeLimits : WHat's that?
sir_mgd : i didnt take the easy way out. I didnt lie, and will always try very hard not to.
sir_mgd: most people wont go thru what your putting me thru, and will just pick a number from the air, to get you off their back.
sir_mgd: I do like ya girl...youre tough...hehe. But now youre messin' with a son-of-a-bitch. next day...
sir_mgd : lost my new friend?
SubWithAgeLimits : What?
sir_mgd : we not gonna be friends anymore?
SubWithAgeLimits : No.
sir_mgd : no we arent?
SubWithAgeLimits : No.
sir_mgd : okay later...
sir_mgd : make any difference if i got on my webcam?
SubWithAgeLimits : No.
sir_mgd : BYE...lol.
/end chatafter reading this, a few subs have had these reactions which I addressed:/begin chat:
subfriend *: my first reaction.. you were playing with her
sir_mgd: 1 i liked her, she was a fledgeling artist and a sub who had more to gain from friendship than I.
subfriend *: second was to wonder if you had a hang up about aging?
sir_mgd: 2. NO. Its just as i said, why should i screw myself by providing the info they use to do it. How hard is that to grasp?..thats it. And I guarantee you many a woman wouldnt either.
subfriend *: third ... was why do you pick on the young ones?
sir_mgd: 3 she picked on me, and had me on her hotlist.
subfriend *: most women really dont want a man that much older or younger then them. it is rare that a healthy individual would. it has a lot to do with stage of life more then anything else.
sir_mgd: nonetheless..all that stage of life crap is bullshit..we were getting on great till that.
subfriend *: tell me you arent eyeing your retirement fund to make sure it has enough in it, or are you thinking about babies and who would make a good mother and wife?
sir_mgd: not paid to think..just want a sub whos all into me..no limits, no hurdles..young fine, old fine...ive had em all and all have pros and cons...babies retirement funds..i cant be productive till im centered, and can't center with no fun at home.
subfriend *: this is true. you need that home life to work in order for the rest of you to be complete.
subfriend *: you are like me .. you are a free spirit who isnt easily pigeon holed
sir_mgd: damn skippy
subfriend *: but i just cant see you taking on a 20 year old wife and getting her barefoot and pregnant ....
sir_mgd: anytime i have unprotected coitus, i go ahead and start thinking of myself as "daddy" just in case.
subfriend *: lol
/end chat/begin chat:
sir_mgd: so you enjoy my writing or here to critique me?
subimet: i found them interesting. and would like to express my thoughts on them, if you dont mind. I really dont like the word critique. its not my intent to critique, just to share my view
sir_mgd: oh, well being an artist, its a major word, as we really dont benefit from any but perhaps negative feedback most times..but please speak your mind
subimet: the girl who asked your age, which I can tell you highly detested by your choice of words mostly
sir_mgd: actually i liked her and was a bit hurt by her decision to no longer be friends
subimet: I see that as just something she doesnt like, such as. you may not like BBW's or Scat or whatever.... its just something shes not into, is not looking for. for me that is married men or people who dont live nearby. I dont care to waste my time on someone who is not going to be in my life for real.
sir_mgd: please, the last five girls ive met irl asked that question as 1st or second, and were not thrilled with my blank stare...you dont think women stereotype by age?
subimet: i didnt say they didnt. That is their "limit" so to speak. Im sure you have some. I am just guessing but I think not having bullshit in your life is a hard limit. age is just theirs
subimet: perhaps looking at it that way and saying ok thanks... next.. until you find the person for you would be easier?
sir_mgd: not my style. im obviously a fighter, and once i get enough of something...im your huckleberry
subimet: too bad.
sir_mgd: yeah...go thinkin im combative if you like, but im not
subimet: No.. i have a friend like you. he challanges everything.. mostly the good and revels in the negative.
sir_mgd: not it at all, and i feel you missed some very pertinent points i tried to make
subimet: perhaps I did.. what were they? so that im clear on what im thinking
sir_mgd: mostly that, i dont want to have to divulge any info to be used to categorize or reject me in any way shape or form. I don't mind them having "limits" per se, or wishing to keep their lives free of bullshit, as long as I'm free to do the same, as I feel their focus on age before anything else, no matter how fine a person I might be, is bullshit I don't wish to deal with in my life, and sorry, but my limit here must take priority over theirs. I don't care if they know my age, but damned if I'm gonna tell 'em.
sir_mgd: that i think its hypocritical
sir_mgd: and its my right to keep my privacy
sir_mgd: just as its impolite to ask a woman her age
subimet: lol i guess im that exception to that rule.. I dont care who askes my age or weight.. never really have either
sir_mgd: nonetheless its standard etiquette, and in that sense, hypocritical for a woman to act as if its her god given right to know, which she did.
subimet: oh I agree
subimet: but as for me... im happy with myself so that doesnt bother me. actually. I think you turned it into a battle, which is probably something you do and may not realize it
sir_mgd: a battle lol. i think people blow everything out of proportion online. everyones always so worried about keeping everything so nice, polite and "PC", you can't even have a heated, intelligent debate or disagree about anything without somebody jumping in and flashing a "peace" badge and saying all the standard non-combatant epithets: "troll", "flamer", "youre bitter", "no argueing cuz it upsets everyone else". "oooh, don't say anything negative you might hurt some little feelings"...bla bleh bluh, on and on.
know what? this is as perfect a place as any to hash out differences, because its only words, nobody gets phyical, and have only to use their minds instead of their fists for the win.
sir_mgd: ah, by that do you insinuate im not happy with myself?
subimet: I dont know you so therefore I can not speak for you, I can only speak for myself
subimet: and as for me.. Im pretty happy with me
sir_mgd: nice sidestep. look, that(this post) needs to be taken more at face value. as the title says.."an interesting chat". I wrote it to make women more aware of how some of their normal questions in conversation affect men in negative ways, and id assume, being more sensitive than men, they'd understand. maybe they need to see that men have feelings too, and dislike being stereotyped and categorized as much as women do..by looks, breast size and all that stuff men fail so miserably at.
sir_mgd: i put a few perhaps inflammatory gestures yes, but i dont think women will give it a second thought unless they're..um piqued shall we say?
subimet: I dont think I sidestepped that question at all. I think I answered it honestly.
sir_mgd: ok, but coulda fooled me. but benefit of the doubt dear
subimet: I think your view on all this is from detesting women to begin with.
sir_mgd: i adore women
subimet: still you sound like you, at this time in your life, detest women to some degree. which.. for me... does pique my interest some.
sir_mgd: I adore them, i truly do. you've misunderestimated me...just because i adore them doesnt mean i can't say NO to them, disagree with them, take them to task, or even pick on them as a gender.
sir_mgd: know why i adore women?
subimet: see the interesting part is... sometimes we think we are loving and adoring... and really outwardly we are not.
subimet: for instance.... i was at work and my boss called me in the office... said i was rude to someone.. i was taken aback.. its not my nature at all... she said i was "bossy"... I thought... who me??!! I was quite offended.. but I thought.. maybe I am? who knows.. I asked someone I knew would tell me the truth.. she said.. i was bluntly harsh.. I liked that term for some reason. mostly I thought because it fit best. here I was thinking I was being friendly, honest, helpful, and effcient.. when I wasnt... go figure.. now I know how to better approach my work... and why do you adore women?
subimet: hello?
sir_mgd: because of things like youre doing right now...its thoughtful, and sensitive. women are generally far smarter than men, a thousand times more sensitive, and way better looking..lol. what im saying is, if a woman posted something similar to what i wrote, most men wouldnt give a shit and blow it off...women are just better to interact with intellectually, so i appreciate your doing this and being one.
subimet: but im not trying to "outsmart" you. more making you aware of how you come across
sir_mgd: youve hit my true character flaw dear, i have no tact or diplomacy...so granted
subimet: you just dont get it.. im not trying to FIND your character flaw. you just sound very bitter
sir_mgd: im not, ive been incredibly lucky..with women especially, trust me. i can prove it if you like
subimet: you dont need to prove anything to me.. im nobody
sir_mgd: i didnt think you were trying to find my flaws, just saying the truth. i dont see this as an attack, or you outsmarting me..its an honest critique, and you're right about how i word things
sir_mgd: i lack subtlety...lol i suck like that.
subimet: or your just too smart for your own dang good! lol
sir_mgd: not so much smart, as often misunderstood. ok..hey thanks for your thoughts..feel free to chat anytime
/end chatPost comment: ok, god I hear the "bitter" one more and more, and does it mean when you dislike something women say or do, you should keep it to yourself, or be called bitter? Well if so..
fine, If If im bitter, then youre fulla beans for saying I am. Jeez, being a broken record and making me repeat my main point over and over is no way to impress me. It basically means you disbelieve why Im doing this, and seek to invoke interpretive reasoning condescendingly. Women 2nd guessing me?..ahh ffs, dont get me started...lol.
If you think I sound bitter, i dont think youre even paying attention, or more likely, it's yet another subtle female attempt at a smokscreen via "table turning".
Enough with "bitter." you disagree, say why, and tell my why im wrong, dont tell me how I "seem".Most of the subs on here maintain such a large pile of reasons to use for rejection purposes, they need a special room to keep them in, and I feel could surely indulge me just this one, having so many others to use for rapidfire curbification. But my instinct tells me that most of you so-called "submissives" aren't about to indulge jack shit, and won't. darn.
Interesting how she tried so valiantly to turn the tables and make it seem like I was playing games. It is so very rare to see a woman do that......lol NOT.But I guess since I'm to be accused of playing games, and have been already,
I'll make it a REAL GAME,
that anyone who wishes can play
Firstly,
Wanna know my age? ask around ...or you could visit me and prove youre a real sub/slave, and i might start respecting you enough to tell you. If that didnt work, you could wait till after I was done with you and sleeping, and rifle thru my wallet for my DL like the sneaky little busy-bodies you are. and if you really liked how I treated you the night before, you could let me catch you, and learn how much better it is when im
pissed-off.lol, so who wants to play?
Yeah, I didnt think so...
MGD

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Hi Bearlee,
 
.I get a kick out of those guys that post their age and have a pic that looks 15 years older.  Boy, there are some rough looking 50+'s out there then.  I keep my pic's current and honest.

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ORIGINAL: mgdartist

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why make such a freaking big deal about it?

Indeed why do you? Beyond being just a number, Is it really any of your business?...and if so, where in the Constitution does it say women are owed full disclosure of this and other numerical information? like income? Are you here to meet a nice person, or a nice person in a peticular age group? Why should a man ever divulge his age? Give me one good reason outside the fact that you won't continue the relation out of....ignorance?

You HAVE NO RIGHT  to know his age till he's ready to tell you.
deal.

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee
Don't people realize these 'little lies & omissions' say volumes about their integrity,

Whada way to start the year…
B

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ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Hi Bearlee,
 
.I get a kick out of those guys that post their age and have a pic that looks 15 years older.  Boy, there are some rough looking 50+'s out there then.  I keep my pic's current and honest.

I used to use my own picture...wasn't getting me anywhere.

Now I use LotusSongs pic.

(Works like a charm...cept the problem is...it's always men for some reason)

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ORIGINAL: liks2plzlf
... I wish more Dominants would state there age limitations. 

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

LMAO… well…that post is likely to get pulled!  I gave up reading it when he started the sarcastic name calling (…little hot rich girl).

Yup, I’m with you regarding internet personas; they’re just not for me because I don’t play online.  Still, generally speaking, age is not all that important to me, either.  I’ve dated and enjoyed the company of men 20 years younger and 15 years older…and I know a couple of HOT guys in their 70’s (but, alas, they’re vanilla, too.)
Yup...it's the lying part that bugs me.B

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I don't care what age he is.. if he's going to be that upset at her request.. I'd figure his baggage alone wouldn't be worth the aggravation to deal with.  Remember the old skit about  "Niagara Falls"?

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ORIGINAL: mgdartist

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why make such a freaking big deal about it?

Indeed why do you? Beyond being just a number, Is it really any of your business?...and if so, where in the Constitution does it say women are owed full disclosure of this and other numerical information? like income? Are you here to meet a nice person, or a nice person in a peticular age group? Why should a man ever divulge his age? Give me one good reason outside the fact that you won't continue the relation out of....ignorance?

You HAVE NO RIGHT  to know his age till he's ready to tell you.
deal.