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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:14:17 PM

tharae

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...Ahem... As a Dominant Male I take exception to this. Frankly I find this kind of fantasy a pain in the ****$$. What's the point in having a submissive/slave that cannot do things without orders, and have to hang over their shoulder to get anything done. Might have been interesting when I was a teenager, but I grew out of that a LONG time ago.

as a kajira i take exception to this statement, i am no doormat, i am not required to be a doormat, in fact my Master would jank His steel very quickly if i even so much thought about becoming a doormat, i think, i have opinions and i am allowed to voice them, respectfully of course, but then i believe any M/s D/s etc/s would be expected to be respectful in any opinion voiced

as a rule i believe in live and let live, the thing that strikes me so funny is the number of people who will voice their opinions and thoughts strongly, yet will never have gone past a quick google search of gor, yes its unrealistic to live it in the real world, its illegal to force collar every uncollared female on this planet we call earth, but whats not unrealistic is the mindset, and whilst not different from D/s mindset, it is so much more complex

i wish You all be well and may You always find what it is You seek

tharae

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:22:47 PM

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Interesting that my last post is not the last post before yours, yet your post is still shown as a reply to me - plus you actually quoted someone else ...

I do want to point out, once again, that I have read about 9 (can't remember if I finished the last one or not) of the books. My knowledge of the books is NOT from google searches, but because I did read a good number of them.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:24:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: tharae
and whilst not different from D/s mindset, it is so much more complex

Can I call bullshit on this?

Thanks.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

While I understand that the formal guidelines behind Gor may be more complicated than those behind D/s, the individual relationship experienced by either side will depend on the individuals in the relationship.

Comments like this make me assume all you perverts rape purses and kill plants.

Yours,

benji

Edited to add that the last line was a joke. You know, before any purse rapers get their panties in a bunch.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:38:09 PM

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RobertCloud,

Can you please share links where one might find this information? I have not lived under a rock, but honestly haven't heard of most of what you described.

Thank you,
Lisa

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OMG... Where have you been? You have not been reading the news in the last ten years have you?
The incident in Syracuse, NY where a man was found to have an underground bunker and was training women to be sex slaves. He had captured them off the streets. He was a self-proclaimed Gorean Master, and when he was found he was training the kajira in their positions. Not one of the seven women that were found with him would testify against him though the youngest was 14. He was only sentenced to six years and released after three for good behaviour. He himself admitted to having trained over 75 women and gave their names and addresses of the Masters he had sold them to. Not a single girl would testify against the man or their Masters.

There is the self-proclaimed Gorean Master in Arizona that killed three of his slaves because they did not satisfy him anymore and it was his right. They were after all only chattel.

There was the incident in England recently where a group was found having converted an underground air-raid shelter into a training ground. They had kidnapped over 25 women and were training them to be kajira. They called themselves the Gorean League of Britain.

I personally have been contacted by a woman on this site that forces people into financial desitution and then gives them the only way out by forcing them to submit themselves as slaves into their Gorean Group. To prove their devotion to their group they have to perform some sort of initiation. In the case that I was contacted in they were trying to think of a torture to perform on this woman that would force her to then torture her own 14 year old daughter to prove her loyalty.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:41:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Invictus754

[fast reply]

OMG...comparing BDSM to Gor is like comparing oatmeal to grits.

You are always going to find someone who likes one but not the other. If you like grits you probably hate oatmeal and cannot understand how people put that mealy stuff into their pie-hole. If you like oatmeal you will never understand how people eat something that sounds like dirt and enjoy eating it.

All of you who hate Gor suck, because you have a very, very closed mind - and all of you who think BDSM is not right obviously suffer from the same malady.

"My kink is great but the other people are stupid / scare me!" Geez. Most of you claim to be opened minded, but the huge empty cavern between your ears is not what is meant by "open mind". Quit whining and eat some oatmeal. Or grits.

First of all Invictus, I never said I hate Gor... in fact I love Gor... I hate what has become of the original concept that Gor started out to be. I hate the deceit, the lies, the treachery, the dishonor that prevails in the lifestyle that proclaims to live with honor as its primary focus. I hate the fact that they claim to have the support of the author and they in fact do not have his support, they cannot get him to come to their gathering, nor can they get him to make quotes or comments on the websites that supposedly are officially sanctioned by him.

I hate the fact that Goreans try to force their way of life on others by walking into rooms and speaking their language in rooms where others have no clue what they are saying. That kajira will call any slave a sister when those slaves have not even met the kajira before and as far as they are concerned the only sister they have are blood or other slaves owned by their own masters. That kajira will walk into a BDSM forum and do a karta when there is no other person there that is Gorean, or even if there is it is still a BDSM forum not a Gorean forum and that is forcing a Gorean concept onto others around that are not there to partake of such.

You spoke earlier in another post about you hope that I am not Christian. Indeed, I am not, I am Native American and that is where my spirituality lies, but I find great offense that you would even decide to bring religion into this discussion anyways for it does not matter. The comment had been made by someone that Goreans did not force collar someone, and I agreed with her that in general they do not, but there are some that do. There are extremists in all lifestyles, but as of late the Gorean extremism has been on the rise and it is growing. There are warnings out in the Western US about watching out for Gorean Groups that are indeed kidnapping people.

I do not hate Gor, or the books of Gor, I hate what the Gorean lifestyle has become. I was Gorean, I was Red Savage, and I watched the downfall of it over the last seven years into this that it is today. It is vile now, I will not have anything to do with it. Yes, there are some that in all are still decent people, at least at the core, but the longer they stay in the lifestyle the more of the dignity and the integrity they have will be sucked from them. I have seen that happen over and over again as well. I have seen hundreds of people I know leaving Gor by the masses because of what it is becoming.

And your attitude and behaviour just goes to show me that they are right. To attack upon the grounds of religion, and to attack and tell people to get something between their ears. That shows me the level of intelligence of the people of the New Gor. It has deteriorated as fast as the honor has. To nothing.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:54:02 PM

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Do they have the Cliff Notes on the Gor books?

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:58:00 PM

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Yes, but they happen to be written on a cliff on the planet Gor. Sorry.

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:58:28 PM

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Lisa...
I will look up the links and post them as soon as I find them. Some are old news stories and not certain I will be able to. Recently, in a class of mine I was looking up an article that I had seen on the discovery channel only 2 years ago for a project, and the link was no longer there. I even did a search on the associated news channel that it referenced and the same thing. News articles tend to have a shorter life span on the net unless someone picks them up and sets up a web page for them, but I will do my best.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 7:59:59 PM

LeMis

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quote:

Do they have the Cliff Notes on the Gor books?

Please let me know when the video/DVD comes out, lol.

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OMG...comparing BDSM to Gor is like comparing oatmeal to grits.

You are always going to find someone who likes one but not the other. If you like grits you probably hate oatmeal

I like grits AND oatmeal....

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 8:02:05 PM

LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Yes, but they happen to be written on a cliff on the planet Gor. Sorry.

Yours,

benji

Oh drat.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 8:06:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Yes, but they happen to be written on a cliff on the planet Gor. Sorry.

Yours,

benji

Oh drat.

Will you two PLEASE allow me to finish this ice tea without it comming out my nose; its all very undignified....

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 8:10:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyLupineNYC

Will you two PLEASE allow me to finish this ice tea without it comming out my nose; its all very undignified....

A real Mistress would just beat me into submission, not ask me to do something.

Sheesh!

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 8:19:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyLupineNYC

Will you two PLEASE allow me to finish this ice tea without it comming out my nose; its all very undignified....

A real Mistress would just beat me into submission, not ask me to do something.

Sheesh!

Yours,

benji

ooohhhh...in THAT case....lick up this tea, pig-dog...or is it sheen....

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 8:21:03 PM

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YAY!!!!!!!

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 9:27:16 PM

Nosathro

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Hello AquaticSub

I can respect your dislike for the cruelity of anyone male or female being taken from their happen home and forced into a life of slavery. But I must point out that these things did actually happen in our History.

I wish you well

Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: nikaa

AquaticSub,

Goreans do NOT go around forcing people into slavery. Kajira conscent, often times beg the collars they wear just as they can beg release from their owners if they wish it or simply walk away. No one forces them to stay if they desire to leave.

I realize that. But the books Gor is based on allow for a woman to be ripped from a happy life and placed into a slavery without her care or consent. I will never be able to rest easy about that.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 9:33:35 PM

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but whats not unrealistic is the mindset, and whilst not different from D/s mindset, it is so much more complex

Interesting. In what ways do you find, specifically, that the mindset is much more complex?

I would think the opposite would be true since so much of Gor is pre-determined (slaves address the free in a certain way, natural order etc.) as opposed to D/s which I believe, by it's very nature, is much more free-form and allows for an incredible diversity that just does not exist within the Gorean culture. The Gorean culture is laid out in black and white print, with the ideals and 'ways' being set in granite (and created by a single individual), so much so that those who embrace the ideals of a Gorean mindset can go say far as to determine whether or not someone else is even Gorean at all. While the words 'real and true' are bandied about by just about every subset within BDSM, none so much so as Gorean.

I look forward to reading what you have to say on the topic of the complex Gorean mindset as opposed to the, I suppose 'less' complex D/s mindset.

Celeste

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 9:36:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Hello AquaticSub

I can respect your dislike for the cruelity of anyone male or female being taken from their happen home and forced into a life of slavery. But I must point out that these things did actually happen in our History.

I wish you well

Nosathro

I do realize this, in fact it happens still. And that is something that also bothers me a great deal. I do not think that precedent makes something right.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 1/3/2007 9:39:56 PM >

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 9:39:59 PM

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Ah benji

Do you think that anyone in the BDSM Lifestyle become interested in it after reading any of the writings of De Sada or The Story of O?

I wish you well

Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

The issue people take is that in Gor, it is assumed that (almost) all women should assume theirn natural position of slaves, and as such, be put into such situations. Gor, as a lifestyle, is based on the books.

BDSM, as a lifestyle, is not based on movies, nor on any fixed fiction which dictates how a relationship should be had.

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 9:46:09 PM

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De Sade?

Anyway, I am certain these works of fiction (along with innumerable others, no doubt) have inspired people to join the ranks of fucked up perverts. However, BDSM is not based on these works.

Gor was created by these books. Most of the protocoll is based on a part of those books. Most of the special vocabulary comes from those books. You get what I mean.

BDSM, however, is what those works are based on. While individuals may model their relationship on a work of fiction within BDSM, it is not a set protocoll for everyone within the lifestyle to follow.

See the difference? In one case, art mimicks life. In the other, life mimicks art.

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 10:04:50 PM

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benji

There are fictional BDSM books some very popular, they would not draw anyone into the Lifestyle? Oh explain "Old Guard if you will. And one last thing...in that depository of wisdom you have on which moutain range on Gor is that cliff where the Cliff Notes can be found?

I wish you well

Nosthro

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