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twicehappy -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 8:25:43 AM)

Why stop at doormats?
 
In writing to subbie males Jewel (or i if i wrote them first) generally tell them up front that she does not need a doormat, an ashtray or a toilet, that we purchase all those things at Lowe's or Home Depot.
 
To us it only means she is not looking for some one to walk on, piss on or put her smokes out on.




julietsierra -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 8:27:00 AM)

I am not a switch. Nor am I a dominant. I really hope we don't eliminate doormats.

I have a doormat. I guess people might say it satisfies the "domme" side of me. I don't know about that. All I know is that it lays outside of my front door no matter what the weather and without complaint or enjoyment for that matter.

It says "Matt" on it.

I like it.

Seriously.

juliet





acctonthelook -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 8:56:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I am proud to be my Master's doormat.  I am proud to be anything he wants me to be at any given time.  I enjoy when he puts his feet on me, whether to wipe them, rest them, or have them cleaned with my mouth.
 
this is why i don't consider myself a doormat, because the above would never happen.  i would feel demoralized and totally disrespected by him.  is that wrong or just different?


Here's a great article on doormats:   . thank you for this link.  i cannot wait to read all the articles!
http://www.humbledfemales.com/doormat.html

So often people have their own definition of a "doormat."  It's always negative.  I am an intelligent, thinking, feeling human being.  I am whatever my Master wants at any given time.  I obey him in all things.  I surrender all my will and power to him.  I guess that makes me a doormat.  If so, I'm the happiest doormat around. 

.Owned, I have been struggling within myself whether i am submissive or slave?  when i have had a Master in my life, I feel much more calm and at peace, but when i have a Dom it seems as if he's not strong enough with me in his direction and interaction.  it's an ongoing struggle within and yet i'm afraid of the limits being crossed e.g. your first paragraph. it's difficult to know who we are and it takes time and sometimes you want only to be 'his' slave and yet with someone else you are only his 'submissive'.

I think the term does something to people's egos, personally.  I know my potential and capabilities, as does my Master.  What anyone else thinks is secondary.  People use the term doormat as though it's an insult, because they think someone who surrenders completely must not have a brain.  Their ignorance shows, when such utilization of the word is displayed.  .Owned, it's not that i don't think you have a brain, i just don't understand why a woman needs to completely surrender all eg. being an object for him to do whatever he pleases. that part completely confuses me? when i read it or even if i feel it at times.

I wonder, when I say I am his toilet, why it is not so offensive.  .for me that would be offensive.  Or his bitch to fuck..because i like and cherish the bad girl in me  Or his toy or object or property. .because to be property is to feel safe, calm, guided, and it brings me pleasure in being his servant, making him happy.  i just feel good when i see his pleasure in my task whether it's following a basis everyday instruction or his sexual instruction.  "Objects" don't have brains (hey a doormat is an object) yet many a slave is proud to be her Master's object.  I think we are inconsitent with our criticizms here.....this is true because i even get confused as to where i fit in.  i enjoy the feeling of my Master caring for me enough to even want to own me as property. 




desertdancer -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 9:17:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

If a sub is from the middle east and wears a turban and likes heroin, does that make them an "afghan"?


Level, he's only an 'afghan' if he's been hand knitted by your grandma while rocking in a rocking chair, while humming big band music..otherwise, he's just a sub in a hat.

~dancer




Level -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 10:02:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: desertdancer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

If a sub is from the middle east and wears a turban and likes heroin, does that make them an "afghan"?


Level, he's only an 'afghan' if he's been hand knitted by your grandma while rocking in a rocking chair, while humming big band music..otherwise, he's just a sub in a hat.

~dancer



*hugs my friend and waves towards Austrailia*

Hope you're doing well, good lady??




desertdancer -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 10:09:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: desertdancer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

If a sub is from the middle east and wears a turban and likes heroin, does that make them an "afghan"?


Level, he's only an 'afghan' if he's been hand knitted by your grandma while rocking in a rocking chair, while humming big band music..otherwise, he's just a sub in a hat.

~dancer



*hugs my friend and waves towards Austrailia*

Hope you're doing well, good lady??


*smiles and wave waves back*

It's going great, I couldn't be happier and I can't stop smilin'.




celticlord2112 -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 10:30:42 AM)

Yes, I have met more than a few doormats.  Curiously, most would deny that they are doormats, but they will time and again endure  rudeness, casual disrespect, and even outright manipulation and cruelty.  The motivation for such behavior is a mystery to me.

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

So, I was browsing profiles this morning (This is gonna be a great story!) and I noticed something.  Very few subs are doormats, and very few Doms want a doormat.

Is the "I'm no doormat," and "I don't want a doormat" thing a cliche?  Or is it a necessary disclaimer to prevent small area rugs from invading your home?

Has anyone met a doormat in BDSM, or wants to meet one?

Yours,


benji




ownedgirlie -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 12:37:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: acctonthelook

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I am proud to be my Master's doormat.  I am proud to be anything he wants me to be at any given time.  I enjoy when he puts his feet on me, whether to wipe them, rest them, or have them cleaned with my mouth.
 
this is why i don't consider myself a doormat, because the above would never happen.  i would feel demoralized and totally disrespected by him.  is that wrong or just different?

Before I became my Master's slave, I felt the same way.  It was not that I had this innate desire to be treated like crap.  In fact he does not treat me like crap at all, but treats me rather wonderfully.  Coming from him (and that's the key), this is not demoralizing or disrespectful at all.  It brings me to a place where I know that even though we both consider me in high regard and of high value, I can let down all emotional barriers to him so that there is nothing in between us.  I am not "too good" to be anything he needs me to be, and knowing how much he does respect me gives even greater meaning to such acts.  If he constantly regarded me with disdain and didn't think much of me, such acts would likely damage me emotionally.  But to do these things, to me, is no different than bending over so he can whip the hell out of my ass.

Here's a great article on doormats:   . thank you for this link.  i cannot wait to read all the articles!
http://www.humbledfemales.com/doormat.html

So often people have their own definition of a "doormat."  It's always negative.  I am an intelligent, thinking, feeling human being.  I am whatever my Master wants at any given time.  I obey him in all things.  I surrender all my will and power to him.  I guess that makes me a doormat.  If so, I'm the happiest doormat around. 

.Owned, I have been struggling within myself whether i am submissive or slave?  when i have had a Master in my life, I feel much more calm and at peace, but when i have a Dom it seems as if he's not strong enough with me in his direction and interaction.  it's an ongoing struggle within and yet i'm afraid of the limits being crossed e.g. your first paragraph. it's difficult to know who we are and it takes time and sometimes you want only to be 'his' slave and yet with someone else you are only his 'submissive'.

I wouldn't spend a lot of energy trying to label yourself.  I didn't know what the hell I was when my Master found me.  I thought I was a slave, and then when I began learning what being a slave involved, I was afraid of being a slave.  When I asked him to train me for his liking, I asked if I could be considered a submissive first, and not a slave.  I did not yet know what I had in me, and what I had to give.  For me, I needed someone who was far stronger than me - physically,. mentally, emotionally.  I needed someone who could take over all of me.  I was afraid though, because it was new to me.  Fear of the unknown is quite common.  The question is, does it limit you?
 
My fear was similar to yours.  But please do not think that on day one he was putting me through all those things that were previously on a limits list.  This was a slowly developing process we went through.  I had not even experienced a basic spanking when we met.  I had internal barriers up that NO one would be able to get through (except him, eventually). It took a very long time and lots of fearful tears to let him in my head as much as he is, and to develop such trust where anything is safe with him.  To be his "doormat" did not happen overnight.  And along the way, I did not lose my sense of self which I feared I would; I found my sense of self.  It just took the right person.

I think the term does something to people's egos, personally.  I know my potential and capabilities, as does my Master.  What anyone else thinks is secondary.  People use the term doormat as though it's an insult, because they think someone who surrenders completely must not have a brain.  Their ignorance shows, when such utilization of the word is displayed.  .Owned, it's not that i don't think you have a brain, i just don't understand why a woman needs to completely surrender all eg. being an object for him to do whatever he pleases. that part completely confuses me? when i read it or even if i feel it at times.

It was in me to surrender like this.  It was my need.  Why is anyone compelled to be who they are in life?  This is where I am home.  This is where I am safe.  This is where I know NO harm will befall me in his care, because I can splay myself open like this emotionally, and I am assured time and time again how valued I am, and how appreciated I am, and what my submission does for him.  This has to do with my particular connection to him. The energy that travels between us is like nothing I have experienced before.  The more I give up, the more filled I become.  The more barriers he broke through, the more freedom I found - to express who I am, and to simply come alive.  Again, this developed over time.  We grew together to reach this place.  Had I offered ALL to him on day one, without a care or concern, I doubt it would have as much value as when my surrender was gradually increased over time as I came to trust and love him more and more.

I wonder, when I say I am his toilet, why it is not so offensive.  .for me that would be offensive. 

I used it as an example, but it is interesting how anyone can put a caffeteria style list out there and the things that people will consider offensive will differ greatly, based on who they are, what their histories are, and what their desires are at a given time.  A year ago I may have found this to be offensive, too.

Or his bitch to fuck..because i like and cherish the bad girl in me 

Your answer could apply to the above item.  Maybe to some, being pissed on or in is cherishing the bad girl.

Or his toy or object or property. .because to be property is to feel safe, calm, guided, and it brings me pleasure in being his servant, making him happy.  i just feel good when i see his pleasure in my task whether it's following a basis everyday instruction or his sexual instruction. 

In your answer here, you have basically answered your question to me of why do I surrender as I do.

"Objects" don't have brains (hey a doormat is an object) yet many a slave is proud to be her Master's object.  I think we are inconsitent with our criticizms here.....this is true because i even get confused as to where i fit in.  i enjoy the feeling of my Master caring for me enough to even want to own me as property. 
 
I think we all get confused sometimes, as we figure out who we are and what makes us tick.  For me, my heart told me one thing while society dictated another.  I am my Master's property, yes.  But who's to say he doesn't care about his property?  Have you ever seen an old man tending to his garden, pulling away the damaging weeds so that the bulbs beneath the soil can emerge into a bright and beautiful flower that soaks in the sun and delights in life?  Sometimes personal weeding is a painful process - you are killing a life form, after all.  But you are killing a destructive life form that can overwhelm the soil and prevent the beauty from developing.  Different people are affected and tended to differently.  Some of those debasing things I wrote above were exactly the way I needed to be weeded in certain areas.  When struck with intensely difficult life struggles, I was able to reflect back and realize, "If I went through that, I can certainly handle this."  These acts are not simply a surface level act - every thing I struggle through for him has greater effect and meaning somewhere.  Unless of course he just wants to enjoy a foot rest because he is tired.  Because of all he has taught me and given me, I am more than happy to provide whatever he wants.
 
For what it's worth, thank you for taking this topic seriously.  While it's fun to kid around, I think it's a discussion some people might find value in.






TxAllieGrl -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 4:54:24 PM)

Oddly enough, I find several of these posts a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Offense at those of us who put out there that we aren't doormats, and then judging us for doing so. At the same time taking offense at others who are critical of your relationship style/actions/choices, and asking not to be judged.

Why a double standard? It's said over and over that definitions and labels are useless, and really who cares what you call it except for the people involved. Doesn't that apply to "doormat" as well?

And anyway - how do you know my (or anyone else's) use of "doormat" is meant as an insult? Did you ask me? Have you ever had a conversation with me to know that I do or don't mean insults?

I'm not taking those comments personally - really I'm not. I'm using myself as an example to contrast some of the comments that are here. I really try hard not judge others for their choices, regardless of whether or not I agree with them or think they'd work for me. And of course I'll happily give my opinion...

For me - doormat is more of a "warn off" to posers and folks who are looking for someone who will submit to anyone. That's how I mean the use of it. Someone said in an earlier post that they'd be a doormat for the right feet. I agree wholeheartedly with that one. But someone would have to take the time to get to know me to learn that.

Just my $0.02 worth. You get what you pay for. [:D]





LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 4:56:56 PM)

I have found that the ones who have to SAY "I'm not a doormat" are almost always the ones most afraid that they really are, and almost always the ones who let themselves be taken advantage of in a way that does not fulfill them.

A doormat can be healthy, I know I was a happy fulfilled willing doormat in my previous relationship. 

It's the ones who are afraid of the choices that shout so loudly against them.  The ones who understand there is nothing to fear because THEY value their consent and take responsibility for their choices...being a doormat, or a master, or anything at all, is just one beautiful choice from another.




LycanHorde -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 7:22:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji


Has anyone met a doormat in BDSM, or wants to meet one?

Yours,


benji


I know 2 'doormats' right off hand and 1 that seems to be headed that way and you know what? They're quite happy being doormats and their owners seem to treasure them.




MzMia -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 8:04:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LycanHorde

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji
Has anyone met a doormat in BDSM, or wants to meet one?

Yours,
benji


I know 2 'doormats' right off hand and 1 that seems to be headed that way and you know what? They're quite happy being doormats and their owners seem to treasure them.



^5 Lycan, I hope to find my own special doormat, and when I do I plan to love and cherish him. [:D]




MzMia -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 8:07:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I am proud to be my Master's doormat.  I am proud to be anything he wants me to be at any given time.  I enjoy when he puts his feet on me, whether to wipe them, rest them, or have them cleaned with my mouth.

Master says I'm only a doormat when I'm laying at the doorway, though.  Otherwise, I'm a foot rest or any other component he wishes for. 

Here's a great article on doormats:
http://www.humbledfemales.com/doormat.html

So often people have their own definition of a "doormat."  It's always negative.  I am an intelligent, thinking, feeling human being.  I am whatever my Master wants at any given time.  I obey him in all things.  I surrender all my will and power to him.  I guess that makes me a doormat.  If so, I'm the happiest doormat around. 

I think the term does something to people's egos, personally.  I know my potential and capabilities, as does my Master.  What anyone else thinks is secondary.  People use the term doormat as though it's an insult, because they think someone who surrenders completely must not have a brain.  Their ignorance shows, when such utilization of the word is displayed. 

I wonder, when I say I am his toilet, why it is not so offensive.  Or his bitch to fuck.  Or his toy or object or property.  "Objects" don't have brains (hey a doormat is an object) yet many a slave is proud to be her Master's object.  I think we are inconsitent with our criticizms here....


beautiful response.
can't recall how many times i've been called "doormat" by outsiders trying to offend or insult me. but if that's the label they want to throw at me, i wear it proudly, because i know what it means to them: one who obeys without question or hesitation; one who does not say no; one who is utterly controlled and dependent; one who simply...submits. and i am very proud to be all of those things. besides, i know my Master just loves his lil doormat. :)


^5 daddysprop, he does indeed have a wonderful lil doormat.  Tell him I said a cute one. heh heh heh [:D]




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 8:16:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I have found that the ones who have to SAY "I'm not a doormat" are almost always the ones most afraid that they really are, and almost always the ones who let themselves be taken advantage of in a way that does not fulfill them.
I don't know anyone in real time who admits to being a "doormat" (as if that's a bad thing [:D]).   The first "?submissive man" (using both terms loosely) I dated who proclaimed he was "no doormat" was sort of my first and only experiment in subjugating one to things I otherwise would not, just to prove that I could despite his protesting differently.  He and I broke up because I got sick of his ambivalence about everything from submission, to bi desires, to interracial relationships, but not because he wouldn't do what I say, since he knew it is the only way he could be with me.    M




SusanofO -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/7/2007 9:40:47 PM)

I sometimes, when I've read comments from someone stating they don't want to be perceived as a Doormat or act like one, or that they don't want a Doormat, etc. had a thought flit across my mind. And that thought was: But don't people all have their own personalities? Maybe some people are just quieter and more compliant, naturally. If so, what is wrong with that, really? Nothing, I think.

Maybe some people are perceived by others as Doormats - but don't consider themselves to be Doormats, I guess I am saying. Maybe in that case, ignorance really is bliss. If they knew what other people possibly thought - or would even care if they did, that is.

- Susan 




gandalf0297 -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/28/2007 10:11:03 PM)

I HATE that friggin phrase......For some odd reason it just drives me up a wall. Perhaps becuse I have heard it 2 million times?




LDRandAstarte -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/28/2007 11:30:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

<sings>
I'm a little door mat
flat and stout
Lay me on the porch
and keep me out..........
<bows>


you do know that all subbies should know the "i'm a little teapot" song and dance! I just love to make a subbie do the song and dance in JC Pennys when they make a protocol or behaviour mstake in public.




desires2 -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/29/2007 3:08:46 AM)

I smiled while reading this forum and all the answers..[:)].  In my humble opinion, doormats are good for keeping your shoes clean before coming in the house~~and that is about it.  Well, maybe, the decorative effect they have too.  But to label a sub/slave a doormat~~well...no..I do not think that is appropriate.  Quite simply..others treat us as we project to them what is acceptable...Say what you mean and mean what you say!  It will abolish all sorts of "labels". ~smiles~




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/29/2007 5:44:46 AM)

As usual she comes in with a well reasoned  post that is to the point and spot on.

I will had this though...

Lots of people have hard limits, I have hard limts lots and lots of them. For many they are broad and for some very few. There are some who will play with anybody and some who will practially play with nobody. For whatever reason, some people get put off by one's lack of or participation in some area of life.

Then Envy rears its ulgy head.

What comes next are lables, often benigely set as badges of honor to themselves and publically flaunted to show their superiority but also just as many times used to belittle, like in a so called left handed compliment.

For example when one overly touts, not a simple hard limit check or statement but overly touts that he/she will not do "______", there tends to be an aire of arrogance and a put down in there that reads; since I am the authority and I know better, anyone who partakes is wrong and inferior.

And to add to Lucky's fear factor, there are always those who fear that because they will not do something, if someone else does it, they will get picked and not them. Those fearful folks tend to get into name calling as well.

Finally, (And there is nothing wrong with this, after all for some this scene is about escape and fantasy and nothing more and that is a very valid reason to be here,)  there are those who just see the romantic side of submission. They really don't want to be submissive, they really don't want pain or humiliation or bondage or what not, they just want the illusion of it. They want to play the role. That is fine, like I said, role play is a valid thing in this scene. But I think they feel they must at times interject a statement more for themselves but also to make sure everyone else knows, what they feel they are and what they feel there are not.  But yes, the statement is starting to feel cliche. 



quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I have found that the ones who have to SAY "I'm not a doormat" are almost always the ones most afraid that they really are, and almost always the ones who let themselves be taken advantage of in a way that does not fulfill them.

A doormat can be healthy, I know I was a happy fulfilled willing doormat in my previous relationship. 

It's the ones who are afraid of the choices that shout so loudly against them.  The ones who understand there is nothing to fear because THEY value their consent and take responsibility for their choices...being a doormat, or a master, or anything at all, is just one beautiful choice from another.




RavenMuse -> RE: Doormats - Can we eliminate them? (1/29/2007 6:08:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji
Has anyone met a doormat in BDSM, or wants to meet one?


Yes, several and nope they where NOT what I wanted (Which seemed to really confuse the poor girls). In each case I did try to give them a few pointers as to why I didn't find 'doormat' either healthy nor actualy desirable in a slave. If they ever listened and acted on that to stop being a doormat I am not sure as most I never saw again.... so far (Sods law, I'll run into a number at the next event I go to now I have said that LOL)




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