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sleazy -> RE: US. Security or paranoia? (1/8/2007 1:23:41 AM)
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
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ORIGINAL: sleazy
I would think that if I felt so strongly about such an issue I would just decide to never enter the US. Problem solved. Having said that the EU runs its own similar version of CAPPS so just about any form of long distance travel on public carrier is an invasion of privacy.
Actually the EU collects virtually nothing on you, your national government might and none comes anywhere near what the US collects unless you fall under the suspicion of the security services. The way the US are doing things is collecting information about you and then using it for whatever purpose they want and aren't even looking after it with any consideration. People's bank account numbers collected by the US have been found on the web, along with personal and business addresses etc etc.
PNR record locator code, Date of reservation, Date(s) of intended travel, Name, Other names on PNR, Number of travelers on PNR, Seat information, Address, All forms of payment information, Billing address, Contact telephone numbers, All travel itinerary for specific PNR, Frequent flyer information (limited to miles flown and address(es)), Travel agency, Travel agent, Code share PNR information, Travel status of passenger, Split/Divided PNR information, Identifiers for free tickets, One-way tickets, Email address, Ticketing field information, ATFQ fields, General remarks, Ticket number, Seat number, Date of ticket issuance, Any collected APIS information, No show history, Number of bags, Bag tag numbers, Go show information, Number of bags on each segment, OSI information, SSI information, SSR information, Voluntary/involuntary upgrades, Received from information, All historical changes to the PNR, Traveler’s full name, Date of birth, Complete home address, Home phone number.
ALL of these and many more interesting little bits of data are collected routinely and when certain conditions are met throw up red flags. Just because you are not asked for them when you purchase a ticket or checkin does not mean they are not recorded.
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What the EU has done is put business before care of its citizens, it could have easily said to the Americans, trans-Atlantic flights can stop but you aren't getting info on our citizens without good reason. The pressure would have been as much on the Americans as us. Britain as usual was in the vanguard of betraying its citizen's privacy after the EU court found betraying the rights to privacy of its citizens illegal.
Or alternatively, citizens of the EU that object to the practice can just choose not to attempt to enter the US. If I go to a play party I exepect to leave cameras behind, if I visit my friends house I expect to take my shoes off at the door, if I visit the US I expect to be asked to abide by their rules. When a visitor from Cameroon wants to enter the EU do we not expect him to abide by our rules and entry agreements? What more good reason is there?
The EU agreed in 2004 to allow european data to be used to test CAPPS II, so on the one hand we have the EU declaring something illegal if done by a member state, but legal if done by the EU.
As stated earlier a CAPPS protects all occupants of a transport method, be they EU, US, or Tibetan. And let us not also forget it has been around an awful long time too, the first variant came into force after the Atlanta Olympic and the loss of TWA800.
Privacy has been a myth for many years now in practically all of what is reffered to as the first world. As soon as they have the data capacity and infrastructure the rest will follow.
Edited because my speeling want all funnie
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