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RE: Limits - 1/20/2007 8:04:45 AM

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I have plenty of things that I don't wish to happen to me........ many of them actually DO happen. They aren't limits.

Someone that I barely know will find themselves faced with a person that says * No thanks* about the most mundane things. Even a kiss.

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RE: Limits - 1/20/2007 9:03:57 AM

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Wow, this has become a fascinating discussion!

Especially thank you to hisannabelle and ownedgirlie- you both said it so beautifully.

One of the reasons I belong to Master is my complete trust in Him. To harm me physically or emotionally- by amputation or pushing in unheathy directions- lessens my value as property. Now, He has pushed my limits often- taking me places that have scared the hell out of me, but, much like ownedgirlie, He prepared me and was prepared for the fallout. I describe it as taking me apart and then putting all the pieces back together- and it may and has taken days.

I have never considered myself no-limits, but I do find myself with fewer and fewer of my preconceived limits as W/we go on....

And I also agree that His limits are mine now. While I have participated in watersports in the past- Master does not enjoy this play. Ergo- although not technically MY limit- it is something I will not be experiencing again.

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RE: Limits - 1/20/2007 10:33:17 AM

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Especially thank you to hisannabelle and ownedgirlie- you both said it so beautifully.

You are welcome, and thank you for your kind words. Beautiful collar, by the way. Congratulations to you both, and may you continue to live, love and grow in your submission to him.

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RE: Limits - 9/18/2008 6:24:16 PM

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Yes, believe it or not i have met a "no limit slave". What is a slave? The definition of slave is in Webster's dictionary. If you are a slave you are "owned". Your limits THEN become Your Master's limits. If you have hard limits that are NOT shared by your Master, then how can you be a slave. Okay, i know i am going to be slammed by a million emails of varous opinions to this. But the bottom line is that being a slave verse being a submissive is NOT better only different. i am a slave but prior to my Master collaring me and my traversing that last obstacle i was a submissive with some Hard Limits. Now He owns my limits and The ONLY limits i have are the ones that are set by my Master. PRIOR to my submitting to Him i knew Him well enough to know that He was not going to have me robbing banks, eating scat, or being a party to a golden shower. However i did know that i needed to ask for permission to watch tv, use the computer, go to the store and even go to bed. However, those were His requirements set by Him. Another Master may have completely different limits. i do not think i could submit to a Master who desired scat play, edge play with guns, or other areas that are commonly see as hard limits. BUT NOT becuz i think they are wrong (except the bank robbing) but becuz they are not things that i want personally as a part of my life. That was the last choice i made. Now all of my choices are my Masters. i knew that in order to submit to a Master i wanted love and a loving relationship that would create mutual trust. UNTIL that happened i was a submissive with some hard limits. Now, my limits are my Master's and I am HIS slave and i have NO limits. There are some really great articles on submission and the psychological process that transpired as a submissive travels the journey of becoming a slave. These articles are based upon modern psychology along with personal observations of the Master/slave process. But once again i must say... being a slave is NOT better than being a submissve.. It is just different.

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It makes me laugh when slaves say they have no limits, when they obviously must have, scat, K9 etc etc.. has anyone ever met a really extreme no limits slave?

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RE: Limits - 9/18/2008 6:32:20 PM

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oooh, yes, definitely extreme. i was Her former mentoree. She is mistressautumnla or mistressautumn1 on this site.

i love Her very much though!

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RE: Limits - 9/18/2008 9:11:04 PM

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Greetings

when i become the property of another, i no longer have any limits save for the ones that my owner decides to place upon me. It no longer becomes a question of 'what will i do' but rather a question of 'what will he have me do'

So, if he ordered you to go down to the local 7-11 and hold a gun against the sales clerk head and rob the store.....you would?

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RE: Limits - 9/18/2008 10:10:02 PM

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It makes me laugh when slaves say they have no limits, when they obviously must have, scat, K9 etc etc.. has anyone ever met a really extreme no limits slave?

Well there are plenty of people who do not have THOSE things as limits.

But I do not know any ethical healthy person who does not put limits on their behavior when it comes to normal daily life.

Amazing! I have yet to read stealing, telling lies, blackmail and such as being hard limits on profiles. How about backstabbing Gossip? I wonder how many people that is a hard limit or not? lol...

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RE: Limits - 9/19/2008 4:59:28 AM

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It makes me laugh when slaves say they have no limits, when they obviously must have, scat, K9 etc etc.. has anyone ever met a really extreme no limits slave?

Since there are plenty of people who enjoy those activities I can't understand why you think they are obvious limits.

When I was new I thought I had limits regarding specific activities but that was until I tried them. Golden showers comes to mind. So I realized that my actual limits had to do with consequences rather than the activities themselves. I have said this before...bj in the secluded area of the parking garage? No problem! Bj in the play area at McDonald's on a saturday afternoon? Hard limit!

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RE: Limits - 9/19/2008 7:22:01 AM

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To me, it seems like this question pretty much has nothign to do with limits.... it has to do with how literal the person is. For me, the absolutism of the phrase "no limits" just cannot be reasonably applied to any human endeavor. It isn't a submission thing. I wouldn't make any similar phrase about grocery shopping either. For those of the more poetic persuasion, the phrase identifies a goal and is "real enough" and accurate in the general portrayal it gives. I'm not insensitive to that viewpoint and in that headspace, my wife is a TPE, no limits slave. In the end, however, what does any of this matter? She obeys me and the commands I give her without hesitation. That's good enough.

When I hear someone use any of the "TPE, no limits" nomenclature, I don't assume they are nuts or anything else. I just assume they're more figurative in their thinking than I am. But yes, the one time I actually did ask a girl flat out would she maim herself at her Master's command and she calmly asserted that she would, then I thought she was nuts.

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RE: Limits - 9/19/2008 7:53:51 AM

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What am i going to do with this toe now?
*wanders off to find her sewing kit*

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RE: Limits - 9/19/2008 1:36:55 PM

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I must say that is somewhat of a dramatic question. Why would anyone submit and accept a collar from someone who was going to rob a 7/11, kill someone, or commit other illegal activies UNLESS they themselves were criminals? If, I was a criminal the answer would be yes.. However, i did not accept the collar of a criminal and He would not think of asking something so unrealistic. i guess if i had submitted to a complete stranger i could see the validity of the question.. But i would thnk that most people (submissive, slave or otherwise) would take enought time to get to know there Dom well enough to establish the "TRUST" required to accept a collar.... so i don't really feel your question has a sensible answer.

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ORIGINAL: ardelle

Greetings

when i become the property of another, i no longer have any limits save for the ones that my owner decides to place upon me. It no longer becomes a question of 'what will i do' but rather a question of 'what will he have me do'

So, if he ordered you to go down to the local 7-11 and hold a gun against the sales clerk head and rob the store.....you would?

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RE: Limits - 9/19/2008 1:47:48 PM

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i certainly understand where you are coming from. However, this lifestyle SHOULD come with something very important and that is called "trust" Why would ANYONE fully submit as another's slave until trust is established. Along with that trust is that He (or She) will not expect you to do something that would violate that trust.. i trust my Master completely. He would never order me to do something illegal and other certain activities. If i had discovered that He was a criminal and was into edge play that would put my life at risk or get me arrested, i would have never accepted His collar. Fortunately He is not a criminal or willing to do anything that would put my life at risk OR get me arrested such as giving a BJ in the play area of McDonald's on a Sunday afternoon. i am sure there are those out there that would order something as crazy as those things but once again how many blindly submit and accept the collar of a stranger? That in itself is dangerous and at that point whether or not you have limits just isn't important anymore.

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ORIGINAL: Donkeyboy18uk
It makes me laugh when slaves say they have no limits, when they obviously must have, scat, K9 etc etc.. has anyone ever met a really extreme no limits slave?

Since there are plenty of people who enjoy those activities I can't understand why you think they are obvious limits.

When I was new I thought I had limits regarding specific activities but that was until I tried them. Golden showers comes to mind. So I realized that my actual limits had to do with consequences rather than the activities themselves. I have said this before...bj in the secluded area of the parking garage? No problem! Bj in the play area at McDonald's on a saturday afternoon? Hard limit!

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RE: Limits - 9/19/2008 1:49:06 PM

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i could not have said it better myself.

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To me, it seems like this question pretty much has nothign to do with limits.... it has to do with how literal the person is. For me, the absolutism of the phrase "no limits" just cannot be reasonably applied to any human endeavor. It isn't a submission thing. I wouldn't make any similar phrase about grocery shopping either. For those of the more poetic persuasion, the phrase identifies a goal and is "real enough" and accurate in the general portrayal it gives. I'm not insensitive to that viewpoint and in that headspace, my wife is a TPE, no limits slave. In the end, however, what does any of this matter? She obeys me and the commands I give her without hesitation. That's good enough.

When I hear someone use any of the "TPE, no limits" nomenclature, I don't assume they are nuts or anything else. I just assume they're more figurative in their thinking than I am. But yes, the one time I actually did ask a girl flat out would she maim herself at her Master's command and she calmly asserted that she would, then I thought she was nuts.