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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 10:49:26 AM   
TreSwank


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Status: offline 		It's more of a libidinal frustration caused by an inability to get others to share the same vision.  For instance, I've been trying to start up a band around my locale...............myself being an exceptionally adept guitarist.  My musical vision is so out-of-whack and vastly superior to that of my peers, that I can't "put myself out there" in the way that I'd like.  When a person can't really find a adequate medium in which to channel a great deal of creative energy, "said" person will become excessively restless, in the same way that sexual frustration will build up in a prison inmate.

I appreciate EVERYONE'S input into this post........even WildFleurs, whose opinions are very intelligent, but don't necessarily jive with my own. (If I ever see her at a CT munch, I hope she doesn't give me a mean look)  People need to talk about issues like this, and not sweep them under the carpet.  Missturbation gave me some constructive criticism, which I can also appreciate in that "Let's be honest with each other" sort of way.  I woke up, still drunk from last night's birthday rendevous..........but reading and typing in this thread has sobered me up!!!

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 10:51:31 AM   
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This was a totally interesting post. I have nothing real to add other then it was definatly worth the read!
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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 11:06:40 AM   
TreSwank


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Status: offline 		I try to write attention grabbers, and sort of place myself straddling that ambiguous gray area of morality and public opinion.  I might not be as good at it, or have the acumen of Ron, or Noah,  the quick wit of Benji, or countless other CollarMe members, but I can throw down pretty decently for a white boy forced into the slummy exile of New London's crack district.

Man, I wonder why more people don't play Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man" on the jukebox.  What a classic.  I mean, being a rock-star during that decadent, free-love era must have been the best thing EVER.  Okay.........maybe cheesecake is the best thing ever, but rock-stardom must rank a close second.

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 12:09:12 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Tre, it's completely NORMAL to prefer to be around people who you have something in common with.
Look at Collarme.com, we're all here because we all have wiiwd in common with each other!
I don't like Hollywood gossip magazines and shows.
Why would I want to hangout with people who want to talk about that silly shit? That wouldn't make any sense for me as I'd keep changing the subject or tell them to stfu.
People pare off by race, economic standing, ethnic groups, hobbies, age, sex and other interests etc so they have something in common with each other.

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 1:26:56 PM   
TreSwank


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Status: offline 		It might not seem like it folks, but I AM a liberal in spirit.  I would support the legalization of drugs, prostitution, most kinds of pornography, and gay marriage..................but then again, you've always got that "crust" element of fools that'll shove it all downhill.  Just because I don't feel comfortable around minorites, doesn't mean that I would deny anyone their civil liberties, although I think that you need to know the English language BEFORE you come here (unless you're just visiting).

I work with alot of Chinese, and let me tell you - they're adorable little yellow skinned noisy, fast-paced people.  The only flip side, is that a ton of casino patrons get pissed off because these poors souls haven't taken the initiative to learn the rudimentary elements of our language, even after TWELVE or so years of residing in the U.S. of A.  They can't answer simple questions..........and if an emergency were the pop up where only these people were present, everybody would be up shit creek without a paddle.  I love the Chinese, but they frustate the hell out of me when I walk through the employee cafeteria, and have to point to food items because the sandwich lady is Chinese, and doesn't know a lick of my native tongue after ten years of working in America.  That is UNACCEPTABLE.  I shouldn't have to add thousands of Chinese characters to my lexicon because immigrants don't want to assimilate.  Seriously..........the majority of these Chinese don't know ANY english, and what pisses me off even more, is that the casino doesn't offer any basic English classes to the Chinese, who make up about 45% of the our workforce.  Don't they care about the quality of life for these cute little ying-yings?

The flip side, is that the ones who DO speak a MINIMAL amount of English, make anywhere from $18 to $25 as card dealers, and we've got people that speak the language perfectly in our streets who can't get work anywhere..  I know that it took me a LONG time to find a job when my last place of employment closed down.  Slap me sideways and call me a dumbass for not going to college.

I do love to hear the Chinese converse in their own tongue.  It sounds like complete and random babble, with emphasis on the wrong syllables. 
                    "Chong-wong, dingle dingle dong.  Sha Sha fey moo teeya!"

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 1:42:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Racism, classism, sexism, ageism, any -ism you care to mention are human traits, regardless of where anybody fits. What makes a difference as a whole is how folks handle their own isms in society in general. It does not help when some groups actually go out of the way to fit into these stereotypes or scream you are being xxxxxx-ist when things dont go all their own way.

I have to agree on many levels with seeksfemslave, the current trend of some groups to condemn people for being human and having their own ideas, comforts and prejudices (and I use prejudice in its truer sense, in that I have a prejudice for coffee over tea). All these have their roots in out upbringings and are also brought about by the way we see things here and now, as well as the way people and the media project things upon us. Here now in the UK, to have any kind of ism is seen as being a white middle class affliction, despite the fact such feelings exist in every person regardless of who they are or where they come from in society.

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 1:47:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I try to spout my j-ism on pretty women, so I can hang with the ideas presented here.

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 2:27:01 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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Status: offline 		I used to think at one time that I might be racist, probably around 23 in fact because up to that point I'd only had one black friend ever. But since then I've come to realize (as a previous poster said), I don't dislike any person for color, race, wieght, etc... But I dislike certain behaviour patterns. And it's a fact that certain groups of people display these behaviours more than other groups.
I've had a total of two black friends in my life up to this point and a few friendly business associates. Besides that every black person I've had any type of personal contact with has displayed the gangsta thug crap mentality or whitey evil thing going on. Now there are white people that display those mental qualities as well, so I don't like them either. It has nothing to do with race but how someone acts.
I'm not going to like someone or want to be around anyone that displays certain qualities. Those being arrogance,  lack of motivation, lack of basic education or the want for, rude comments for no reason, blame others for their problems, history of thievery, over emphasis on appearances(whether physical, or keepin up with the jones's type),dishonesty when it matters, drama queens,  etc.... If those or some others are present in a person, I don't want to be around them.

But I'd say I personally don't have any use for about 9 out of 10 people based on their displayed values and behaviour in general. So, it's very little suprise in Southern Illinois the few I would click with would be white, as it's probably 80 to 90 percent white anyway. I'd say in my whole existance on this planet I've probably found 50- 60ish people that were worth the effort once I got to know them. And that is out of 1000's so, I'm racist against everyone. I guess.



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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 2:30:28 PM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		Swanky: have a go at learning Chinese before condemning Chinese for not speaking errr English or should it be American.

Dont get carried away just because some have recognised a truth in your first post. After all you are only 23.  he he he he

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 3:27:33 PM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		Tre - in my opinion, you're doing here what everyone does at some point in their lives; starting to get your shit together. Credit to you for being willing to talk about it, and double credit for starting it at your age - I was considerably older before I did. I'm not sure anyone ever finishes that process mind you, but sooner or later as Missturbation said, you get to a point where youre comfortable in your skin and with your life.

I dont mean this in a derogatory way Tre - but often you come across as a lost little boy, with all the immaturities and insecurities of your teenage years on display. But thats natural. I probably come across similarly to those with twenty years on me after all! At the same time though, just occasionally, like here, we see Tre the man emerging. Its really amazing to watch.

In the end though I'm sorry, despite all the good advice from posters here, and all the advice I could give you, you have to figure it all out for yourself; no one can tell you how to be the man you are becoming.

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 5:22:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tre, I wouldn't worry about not going to college, there's plenty of college grads out here who aren't doing very well financially.
Been in a Starbucks lately?
A few months ago I was in a local restaurant and the waitress told me she just got out of college. She's still working there.
I never used anything I learned in college in the real business world.
They "train you their way."
Anytime a job becomes a good paying job it seems that they just ship them overseas. ("Outsourcing")
And as for Chinese women I've always liked them! Very nice looking and slender.
We should start a thread on Oriental women.

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 6:26:37 PM   
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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 6:37:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		  Lauging at Rosa's reaction.     M

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 6:41:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank
  "Chong-wong, dingle dingle dong.  Sha Sha fey moo teeya!"


Translation:  Rook at that skinny rittle white boy with the freaky hair.
Doesn't he know that he's never gonna get raid.  Hahahahaha

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 6:51:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think, as others have mentioned, that this is simply a matter of personal preference, and certain populations tend to fall outside of that preference. doesn't make you racist; just makes you observant. i am about the least racist or classist person you will ever meet; a good deal of my close family, including immediate family, are biracial, which means that most of my extended family is black...i've been comfortable in the projects for the majority of my life, and i grew up living below poverty level. that said, i rarely enjoy being around people who don't know how to use proper english, or at least how to express themselves and their ideas fairly clearly, and/or who don't have something worthwhile to say. i enjoy being around people of other races and cultures, but there are certain populations i run into at work or school that i find tend to fall outside of my comfort zone, and some of those can be classified by race, age, etc. this is also not to say that there aren't exceptions - there are. i've met people with whom i could barely communicate due to different languages and cultural backgrounds but still felt amazingly comfortable around. and i've met people with whom i could communicate spectacularly, and could not stand to be around for whatever reason. i think when it extends to snobbery, then it could be classified as, well, snobbery and being a bit of an asshole, and perhaps as racism/classism/whatever, but for the most part, i think most people deal with this. i've met -very- few people who are perfectly comfortable with absolutely everyone they meet.

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 8:09:09 PM   
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I can understand where you are coming from Tre... I think its okay to be uncomfortable around people of other cultures. God knows that when I am trapped in a roomful of my relatives from Northern Maine, I feel the need to run outside screaming and pulling out my hair that I share the same genes with these people.

I think the most important part that make it NOT racism or classism is that you recognize that you are different, but not superior. I really think its when someone takes the attitude of "Oh, I'm better than this class of people, thats why I don't like them." that it becomes something that is not healthy.


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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 9:17:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TreSwank
For instance, I've been trying to start up a band around my locale...............myself being an exceptionally adept guitarist.  My musical vision is so out-of-whack and vastly superior to that of my peers, that I can't "put myself out there" in the way that I'd like. 


Hello from America!
 
Honest discussion. Too bad more cannot discuss the topic.
Discourse is not racist. Uncomfortable to many, but a real topic.
 
Honestly narciscisstic boy, as well.
 
Cool.
 
 

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 9:59:01 PM   
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I tend to dislike noisy folks myself, and I'd dearly love to tell myself that that's just a matter of personal preference, with no -ism involved.

If I'm honest with myself, though, I'll recognize that I respond differently to noisemakers of different races. Noisy whites I tend to regard as irksome individuals, not as icons of an entire race. I've never found myself asking "Why are whites so noisy?" On the other hand, I tend far too often to assume that noisy blacks are manifesting a racial/cultural characteristic. Then I pin my annoyance on a whole group rather than just the perpetrators, and that I do consider racist.

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 10:24:50 PM   
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I too am Black.  (I hate the African American moniker) I was raised to annunciate my speech and not just talk.  I was raised in the ghetto but you wouldn't know it by the way I converse.  I think the problem with your description of what you can and cannot tolerate is because you mention ethnicity.  It's not the ethnicity of people, it's the type of people that happen to belong to that particular ethnicity.  Don't judge a book by its cover.  You also have to look at whether they are just "hangin" or if they are being who they are.  People from all walks of life let their hair down and be who they are but most of the time when we see them in public they are trying to fit in with the crowd they have surrounded themselves with. 

I live on the side of town where there are very few black families.  Middle class.  I will tell you, the ones hanging out on the street corners, the ones tagging garages, the ones keying cars, the ones driving up and down the street with their "ghetto blaster stereos" causing general havoc are not the black kids, they are the middle class white kids.  Not "poor white trash"  Middle class white trash.  If I saw you walking up the street in your hoodie and ripped jeans, I would cross and watch you closely...not because of your skin color but because of what you would represent in my neighborhood.  A middle class white thug.

Ms Loren

for the record.  I am very into spanking YOUNG BOY FLESH (as per your profile)

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RE: Racism, Classism, or Justified Preference? (It's a... - 1/10/2007 10:38:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feel like I have run into someone very similar to me.

1) I grew up in Flint, Michigan (yeah, I know... you saw the movie, but I did go to the same High School as the guy who made the movie... oddly enough, they didn't advertise that  )

2) Ebonics irritates the living daylights out of me.

3) I can not, for the life of me, understand the desire to spend more money on your car than your home, to spend more money on your clothes every month than on your home and then complain because there is some conspiracy to keep them down.

Don't get me wrong, I have had many black friends.  They tend to be educated (Bachelor's or higher) and also sit there going "You spent *how much* on that car!?!" when they talk to their friends who live in a home where the front porch stairs are broken and the house next door to them is condemned.

I used to work in downtown Detroit, with the Detroit Public Schools and with a couple of companies where the people at the top were black.  Usually the people I worked directly with were great to work with.  They were educated and genuinely were trying to make their lives better.  I think this is the biggest thing for me.  It's not where you're at or where you're going, it's the decision to make your lot better in life that seems to do it for me.  If you're busy focusing on here and now and don't care about 6 months from now, I have huge issues with the person, but if they're genuinely trying to find out how to get ahead, or at least trying to live a comfortable life and avoiding unnecessary drama, then I want to deal with that person.  The person that's spending $110 on a pair of jeans that they're going to wear for 6 months, $80 on a top that they'll wear for 9 months and $700 per month on their vehicle or spent more on their rims and tires than 2 months worth of rent (or mortgage), I don't want much to do with them.  As a matter of fact, if I can never run into them for the rest of my life, that may be too soon.

The people I tend to 'fall in' with tend to be doing home improvements, getting more education so they can get a better job, working with their kids on their schoolwork and trying to make sure that they're more comfortable in not only 2 weeks, but 2 years.  Not all of them succeed, but they are all inevitably trying.

Oh yeah, it's not always about education.  You just need to get the right skills.  I work for a very large company as one of the highest level computer geeks and I probably have less formal education than 90% of the people here (note: I didn't say I *graduated* from the same High School as Michael Moore).

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I wonder if there's a word for people that get slightly paranoid when they hear southern accents.


Twangaphobia?

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