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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:31:44 PM

LotusSong

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Slavers,

I'd be interested in what your perception of male submission entails. What do you think happens to them.. how do they serve?

It is my opinion that they have it better than the Male Doms do.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:32:15 PM

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On one hand, I don't agree with the OP. On the other, I think if the words 'man/men' and 'woman/women' were interchanged, this post would garner far more support.

I think aSlavesLife is correct, in male dominance is a politically incorrect concept right now. Advocating women's rights, race rights, religious rights, etc has elicited an enormous amount of support for minority groups of every kind. I'm not suggesting that they do not deserve support, of course. I am suggesting that there should be nothing wrong with equal support for the majority.

So, in that, I would tend to agree with Lashra and others. Whatever view we wish to apply in our own lives is fine, so long as we are aware of consequences and accept responsibility for our own actions. Broad, sensational claims don't make any opinion more or less wrong. They just present that opinion in poor light.

Personally, I have always been a man who felt more comfortable in a relationship where I was the dominant.

There, doesn't offend anyone, doesn't demean anyone, and doesn't insinuate anyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:33:22 PM

Aine

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*prepares the popcorn for the ensuing flame war*

Nice contradictions, slavesrs.

As it's already been pointed out, you said you mean not to offend, but indeed you have and will continue to when you word your "opinion" thusly.

There are many other ways to express what you believe. In much nicer ways.

I have no problem that you feel that it's a Man's world.

I have no problem with people who think it's now a Woman's world.

I have no problem with people that think all are equal. Much like my own opinion.

What I have a problem with, is the people that lump EVERYONE IN THE WORLD into one tiny little box that they've created in their own head.

We are not all Dominant/submissive. There is a huge portion of the population in this world that should be left out of the equation simply because they have nothing to do with, will never have anything to do with and do not/will not identify with this "lifestyle" we call "ours".

Strike Number 1.

Oh, and Dominate is a verb, not a noun. I believe you're thinking "Dominant".

And as for that you think all women are/should be submissive to men....ehhhh
That's not an opinion. That's a statement of -your- fact. Which does not apply to everyone, darling. You are stating something you you believe to be a fact, or that should be the fact of the world and insinuating that all women who claim and live to be anything other than a submissive woman is a liar and completely deplorable to you, essentially insulting those of us who live differently than you, within the lifestyle and vanilla alike. (And add in submissive men to that equation.)

I only respect opinons of those who offer them diplomatically and with completly -honest- interest in other's opinions.

What you've stated in my own opinion as stated above is -not- an opinion.

Opinion: 1.a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

Can you honestly say that regardless of those around you that are not submissive, that there is nothing in this world that will sway your so-called "opinion" on this subject??

My personal opinion on this matter is that no two people are the same. We are similar in that we are of the species of human, but aside from that and a few other key similarities, we are all -very- different from each other based not only on how we look, but our personalities. We are who we are and who we strive to be every day.

And perhaps I can lead you in a different direction when it comes to your feelings on the whole "superior" thing.

Toss it out the window.

As Lashra has already said....everyone is equal to each other in that we are all humans. We have peers, aquaintances, work bosses and parents, to name a few. But No One, and I mean no one (imho) is your Superior aside from your Parents/Guardians as a child unless you -make- them your Superior. My partner is a switch like me and in NO way is he Superior to me. Neither am I to him. That's ludicrous. He is predominantly my lover, best friend and gentle Dominant in our relationship, and on rare occassion, my pet. But none of that makes him Superior to me in any way. He will always be my equal and if it were to ever shift...I'd question him or myself as to why.

It is my personal belief that there is no true Superior human. Sure, there are the work "superiors" etc. But that's because we work for them and are only "above" us during that work time. Outside of that job, they are as equal as your next door neighbor.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:36:01 PM

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With a quick search I was able to pull up several threads on female supremacy in the ask a mistress section. I noticed that nobody protested it violently there. To be specific, on one thread titled Female Supremacy in Real Life had a post ( # 16 ) that stated " I definately believe in female supremacy. ". Nobody flamed this person. Nobody mocked the poster. Nobody demanded that this opinion be justified. They just ignored it.

So why is there so much hostility and hypocracy when someone presents the other side of the coin? Is not the OP expressing what amounts to male supremacy? Should the OP not be treated in the same mild disregard as the poster of # 16 on the other thread? Just curious.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:38:49 PM

Aine

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Yeah, but do those supporters of Female Supremacy go on to insult all women who aren't Dominant?

For some reason, I'm thinking no.

So I think we are perfectly justified in getting offended by someone who outrightly insulted all male subs and all Women who weren't submissive.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:41:41 PM

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I am thinking if you are looking at the mistress section you are already drawing from a certain demographic who enjoys female supremacy.
But this is the general bdsm catagory. She probably wouldnt see many flames had she posted in the Gor, or Master section.
Just my opinion.
And for the record, I find most people are equal, until they are not. And that goes on both sides of the coin
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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:44:31 PM

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dear quiet
its a compliment but yes you look like a h s girl i knew named ginger who will probably cry or kill me if she knew i ever said any such thing
this too is a compliment

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:46:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I am thinking if you are looking at the mistress section you are already drawing from a certain demographic who enjoys female supremacy.
But this is the general bdsm catagory. She probably wouldnt see many flames had she posted in the Gor, or Master section.
Just my opinion.
And for the record, I find most people are equal, until they are not. And that goes on both sides of the coin
Kyst

I think that you may be on to something there. To be honest, you probably hit the nail on the head. Still, it is a bit amusing to watch some people gnash their teeth at this when they ignore the opposite. Just my opinion, but I have always thought that it was easier to judge what people were really thinking more by what they don't say than what they do.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:46:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

With a quick search I was able to pull up several threads on female supremacy in the ask a mistress section. I noticed that nobody protested it violently there. To be specific, on one thread titled Female Supremacy in Real Life had a post ( # 16 ) that stated " I definately believe in female supremacy. ". Nobody flamed this person. Nobody mocked the poster. Nobody demanded that this opinion be justified. They just ignored it.

So why is there so much hostility and hypocracy when someone presents the other side of the coin? Is not the OP expressing what amounts to male supremacy? Should the OP not be treated in the same mild disregard as the poster of # 16 on the other thread? Just curious.

Thats funny, I just read through a thread entitled "Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy?" and I found a LOT of the exact same sort of responses that I found on this thread.

Any hostility here seems to be a reaction to the OP's hostility and closed- mindedness. Had it been worded in a different way, the reactions to it would also have been different.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:48:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

Any hostility here seems to be a reaction to the OP's hostility and closed- mindedness. Had it been worded in a different way, the reactions to it would also have been different.

My point exactly.....sometimes I'mjust too wordy for my own good lol

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 8:52:33 PM

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1. Youth is wasted on the young. (she is 20 years old) with an idealic outlook on life and a seemingly closed mind to go along with it).

quote:

ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

So why is there so much hostility and hypocracy when someone presents the other side of the coin? Is not the OP expressing what amounts to male supremacy? Should the OP not be treated in the same mild disregard as the poster of # 16 on the other thread? Just curious.

2. It's not what you do, it's the way how you do it.

As stated earlier, there are ways to express yourself that truely don't offend anyone. However, if you choose to shoot from the hip and not choose your words wisely, you do run the risk of offending most everyone thus I hope the heat you have generated doesn't burn you.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:02:46 PM

juliaoceania

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavesrs

I have something that I would like to say and also I am interested in hearing what others have to say about this. "Keep in mind everyone is intitled to their own opinions and beliefs and there is NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANWSER."

In my beliefs and opinions it is a Man's world! I do not and will not look at a "supposed" female Dominate as my superior. In my eyes all woman are my equal and we belong on our knees humbly kneeling beofre Men. When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.

This is all I wish to say. Please try to keep an open mind about it and it was not ment to offend anyone as I am curious to know what others think.

With Regards;

Slave SRS

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:03:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

quote:

ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

With a quick search I was able to pull up several threads on female supremacy in the ask a mistress section. I noticed that nobody protested it violently there. To be specific, on one thread titled Female Supremacy in Real Life had a post ( # 16 ) that stated " I definately believe in female supremacy. ". Nobody flamed this person. Nobody mocked the poster. Nobody demanded that this opinion be justified. They just ignored it.

So why is there so much hostility and hypocracy when someone presents the other side of the coin? Is not the OP expressing what amounts to male supremacy? Should the OP not be treated in the same mild disregard as the poster of # 16 on the other thread? Just curious.

Thats funny, I just read through a thread entitled "Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy?" and I found a LOT of the exact same sort of responses that I found on this thread.

Any hostility here seems to be a reaction to the OP's hostility and closed- mindedness. Had it been worded in a different way, the reactions to it would also have been different.

I appreciate your pointing that thread out to me, as it actually further demonstrates my point. The OP of that thread was wondering why male supremacy wasn't as accepted as female supremacy. The only flaming and insults came from people mocking and insulting the OP, with only rational discourse offered to everyone else. Yet another fine example of hypocricy in action. Thanks.

Oh, and just for the record, the people that were on the offensive there were not called to task for the way they were expressing their ideas. Yet another dazzling bias, as the OP of this thread is being criticised for how she presented her opinions, but judging from the other threads it is acceptable for anyone that disagrees to present themselves in the most unbecoming of manners unchallenged.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:07:43 PM

Aine

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Hostility is generally met with hostility.

We're human. *shrugs*

People see things the way they are going to see them, all of which are going to differ from the way the next joe see's it, so therein lies the opening to many different kinds of responses, which doesn't surprise me one bit. What surprises me though, is those who are surprised at how people are reacting in this thread.

If that makes sense.

< Message edited by Aine -- 1/12/2007 9:08:37 PM >

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:08:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

With a quick search I was able to pull up several threads on female supremacy in the ask a mistress section. I noticed that nobody protested it violently there. To be specific, on one thread titled Female Supremacy in Real Life had a post ( # 16 ) that stated " I definately believe in female supremacy. ". Nobody flamed this person. Nobody mocked the poster. Nobody demanded that this opinion be justified. They just ignored it.

So why is there so much hostility and hypocracy when someone presents the other side of the coin? Is not the OP expressing what amounts to male supremacy? Should the OP not be treated in the same mild disregard as the poster of # 16 on the other thread? Just curious.

I agree, and I'm one cynical bitch, but I just did not pick up on anything offensive. To me, I see more of a quest (or a plea of sorts) for wisdom and knowledge coming out of this young lady.

And I think her words spoke to the fact that she was looking for other perspectives, (which she clearly stated); I would consider that open-mindedness. Coupled with the fact that she is 20 years old and still obviously trying to figure things out, I think understanding and speaking to her in a way that might help her see other viewpoints instead of laughing at her and insulting her would've been much more productive.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:11:59 PM

Aine

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When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.

How is this not offensive?? I'm neither male nor a male sub/slave for that matter, but it to a point offends me.

She really could have said it differently. Her saying that would be like me saying I am disgusted by any woman in a position of power. (Which I'm not, btw) Or disgusted by interracial marriages. (Which also I am not)

Who is she to -say as though it were fact- that a woman's place is on her knees to a Man and that essentially all men who do kneel are less than god knows what?

Granted in some way, perhaps she is looking for knowledge and opinons, but the way she worded her statement of "opinion" left little room for anyone else's ideas and looked more like a statement of fact.

< Message edited by Aine -- 1/12/2007 9:15:55 PM >

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:13:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

I appreciate your pointing that thread out to me, as it actually further demonstrates my point. The OP of that thread was wondering why male supremacy wasn't as accepted as female supremacy. The only flaming and insults came from people mocking and insulting the OP, with only rational discourse offered to everyone else. Yet another fine example of hypocricy in action. Thanks.

Oh, and just for the record, the people that were on the offensive there were not called to task for the way they were expressing their ideas. Yet another dazzling bias, as the OP of this thread is being criticised for how she presented her opinions, but judging from the other threads it is acceptable for anyone that disagrees to present themselves in the most unbecoming of manners unchallenged.

*Laughing* I'm not sure what thread YOU were reading, but on the first page ALONE I counted six "serious" responses to the OP. No flaming, no insults.

I'm not going to argue about it, as you are obviously seeing things the way you want to and we are not going to agree on it. Have fun with that.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:19:47 PM

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This indeed is very interesting.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:32:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aine

When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.

what is it about the prounoun *I* that makes you think she is talking about you or me, or whomever? SHE feels disgusted, then she goes on to state WHY it makes her feel disgusted. For some reason she associates a man's place as superior.

Her statement is not about YOU or ME or the man in the moon. It's about HER.

Imagine for a moment that this girl wanted to open her mind or seek other opinions because she doesnt really WANT to feel this type of "disgust" for men who submit. Should she not be honest about EXACTLY how it makes her feel, so that people can answer with a clear understanding of the depth of her feelings? Or should she pussyfoot around worrying about putting it more mildly so as not to be offensive, even if it's not an accurate description of her actual feelings?

How could anyone help her feel UNdisgusted if she doesnt put that fact out on the table?

quote:

Who is she to -say as though it were fact- that a woman's place is on her knees to a Man and that essentially all men who do kneel are less than god knows what?

Who is she? She's the same person you are when you state as fact that people should speak in a way that is non-offensive. She is the same person I am when I state something that I think or feel or believe and it sounds like Im stating a fact. As thinking adults we know the difference between facts, opinion, and beliefs.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:39:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

quote:

ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

I appreciate your pointing that thread out to me, as it actually further demonstrates my point. The OP of that thread was wondering why male supremacy wasn't as accepted as female supremacy. The only flaming and insults came from people mocking and insulting the OP, with only rational discourse offered to everyone else. Yet another fine example of hypocricy in action. Thanks.

Oh, and just for the record, the people that were on the offensive there were not called to task for the way they were expressing their ideas. Yet another dazzling bias, as the OP of this thread is being criticised for how she presented her opinions, but judging from the other threads it is acceptable for anyone that disagrees to present themselves in the most unbecoming of manners unchallenged.

*Laughing* I'm not sure what thread YOU were reading, but on the first page ALONE I counted six "serious" responses to the OP. No flaming, no insults.

I'm not going to argue about it, as you are obviously seeing things the way you want to and we are not going to agree on it. Have fun with that.

I guess you missed some of the more venemous ones such as this question being whining ( # 28 ), implying that men beat their wives and kids ( # 49 ), and men think they are superior while women are superior ( # 57 ), . But there is nothing hostile about that, is there? After all, it was directed at the other side.

I am not saying that the OP here should or should not have expressed herself in a less antagonistic manner. I am saying that the same antagonistic manner is systematically ignored when it is aimed at the other side, and wondering why this hypocricy is so common.

Most of the people on the other threads expressed their opinions without anger. And in their defense, most of the dommes there supported a position of no gender supremacy. But when someone saw fit to heap insult and mockery on the people wondering why male supremacy was frowned upon, not a single person there attacked that hostility with anything even approaching the level of negativity expressed toward the OP here. It was simply ignored.

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