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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:41:38 PM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: Aine

When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.


How is this not offensive?? I'm neither male nor a male sub/slave for that matter, but it to a point offends me.

She really could have said it differently.  Her saying that would be like me saying I am disgusted by any woman in a position of power. (Which I'm not, btw)  Or disgusted by interracial marriages. (Which also I am not)


Me too.  It came across as simply bigoted and small minded ... analogous to homophobic.

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Who is she to -say as though it were fact- that a woman's place is on her knees to a Man and that essentially all men who do kneel are less than god knows what?


It would be nice if people posting about themselves worded it as "me" and not "we" and not "women."   That purports to speak for me, which it does not.  Why would a poster have any opinion of what I should be, what my daughter should be ... or hadn't the poster thought about that?  In truth, I believe she's clueless and indulging fantasy.  But the post also assumes to know what is best for everyone and that makes it the epitome of arrogance (to say nothing of ignorance).  Those are not generally terms I would associate with "submissive."

MaryT

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:41:46 PM   
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Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
and rightdoing there is a field.
I'll meet you there.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:45:02 PM   
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Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
and rightdoing there is a field.
I'll meet you there.

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Cool.  You bring the whip.  I'll bring my ass. 

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 9:51:11 PM   
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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 10:23:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slavesrs

I have something that I would like to say and also I am interested in hearing what others have to say about this. "Keep in mind everyone is intitled to their own opinions and beliefs and there is NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANWSER."
 
In my beliefs and opinions it is a Man's world! I do not and will not look at a "supposed" female Dominate as my superior. In my eyes all woman are my equal and we belong on our knees humbly kneeling beofre Men. When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.
 
This is all I wish to say. Please try to keep an open mind about it and it was not ment to offend anyone as I am curious to know what others think.
 
With Regards;
 
Slave SRS



Why should A/anyone else keep an open mind when you obviously haven't?
Sincerely,
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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 10:27:58 PM   
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On one hand, I don't agree with the OP.  On the other, I think if the words 'man/men' and 'woman/women' were interchanged, this post would garner far more support.



 
Nope, narrowmindedness and bigotry are the same no matter what side Y/you are on. 
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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 10:48:04 PM   
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I have had a hard time grasping the concept of female domination..and sometimes when I have expressed my ideas around it, its been, poetically harsh....however the only thing that matters is inside me I dont have a harsh bone in my body, when I express things that way, like you have done..its like a communication from somewhere inside me that totally rejects and cannot understand it..and so it almost has to come out harshly for my true feelings to be exposed within words...its a non attack..more a...true voicing of an energy inside me free from  intellectually fiddling with it to satiate an audience.... it stands alone as it is...and posssibly cannot even be conversed with....yet..at the same time...by it being expressed, the words invite communication...and sometimes...just sometimes...someone can touch me and open me up to a new reality of understanding....that happened for me surrounding this issue....(thats why i like to free flow the words i write on here, whether they seem negative or positive...because at any rate..they are an honest expression of whatever I am feeling at the time and so gives me something concrete to work with.)

I think I can honestly say I understand female domination and where it all fits in the scehme of things now...and so can respect it. I used to vow I could never feel any type of submission towards a woman but with that knoweldge of where it all fit also came the knowledge of how I could fit.  The whole realisation was a proces though..

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/12/2007 10:56:33 PM   
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slavejali,
 
Thank you very much for the words you have spoken. Seems you are the only one that is truly understanding where I am coming from as you have been there yourself. See, I will explain myself a tad more without giving to much away. I was raised very ....ummmm , how to put it ... very "old school" and well , Men and woman as well as elders,children all had there own roles to live by. I guess you can say part of the way I think I based on how I was raised. That's why I used the word "beliefs" however seems everyone did NOT see that word witch is also a pity. Yes perhaps how I said what I said was RUDE, OFFENSIVE, IGNORANT or even considered as CLOSEDMINDED, but I assure you as well as everyone else that it was NOT ment to be like that. I am not one to sugar cote anything.


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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 12:27:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slavesrs

I have something that I would like to say and also I am interested in hearing what others have to say about this. "Keep in mind everyone is intitled to their own opinions and beliefs and there is NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANWSER."
 
In my beliefs and opinions it is a Man's world! I do not and will not look at a "supposed" female Dominate as my superior. In my eyes all woman are my equal and we belong on our knees humbly kneeling beofre Men. When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.
 
This is all I wish to say. Please try to keep an open mind about it and it was not ment to offend anyone as I am curious to know what others think.
 
With Regards;
 
Slave SRS



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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 5:15:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterGremlin

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ORIGINAL: slavesrs
 
 
This is all I wish to say. Please try to keep an open mind about it and it was not ment to offend anyone as I am curious to know what others think.
 
I try not to confuse an open mind with a vacant one.


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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 5:35:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slavesrs

I have something that I would like to say and also I am interested in hearing what others have to say about this. "Keep in mind everyone is intitled to their own opinions and beliefs and there is NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANWSER."
 
In my beliefs and opinions it is a Man's world! I do not and will not look at a "supposed" female Dominate as my superior. In my eyes all woman are my equal and we belong on our knees humbly kneeling beofre Men. When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.
 
This is all I wish to say. Please try to keep an open mind about it and it was not ment to offend anyone as I am curious to know what others think.
 
With Regards;
 
Slave SRS


Don't worry about it too much, i doubt most people would be offended by your opinion. After all, your still a child and have much to learn about life.......

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 5:39:04 AM   
Aine


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Status: offline 		Because she DID encompass all off us by saying that ALL WOMEN should be kneeling at a man's feet.

I take it as I see it and it offended me.

I explained why, and I don't think that I was all that harsh about it, I was honest and tried to explain as best I could why I felt offended and tried to throw out some ideas for her to chew on.

I hardly think that I was one of the people being "venemous" to her.

Why can't I be offended?


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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 5:46:06 AM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: slavesrs

slavejali,
 
Thank you very much for the words you have spoken. Seems you are the only one that is truly understanding where I am coming from as you have been there yourself. See, I will explain myself a tad more without giving to much away. I was raised very ....ummmm , how to put it ... very "old school" and well , Men and woman as well as elders,children all had there own roles to live by. I guess you can say part of the way I think I based on how I was raised.


A lot of people were raised in bigotry and oppression.  It is possible to transcend your childhood.

MaryT

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 5:50:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why anyone would use the word 'disgusting' in a lifestyle that often involves ass juice, blood, scat, golden showers, vomit, etc etc etc is beyond me...just b/c it is not your scene doesn't make it any more unnatural or perverse, I don't care if one was raised by wolves or by god.  A submissive is a submissive, as it has been said, 1st and foremost, regardless of gender.  I am quite sure, though I have no personal interest in female submission, that the look in a female sub's eyes is no less beautiful than in a male's.  Yes, my opinion is colored by being a Domme, but I also don't, if you excuse the word here, slavishly buy into 'Female Supremicy' either...I also see ppl as ppl; both genders equaly worthy regardless of gender until proven otherwise and than only on an indiidual basis.  Though I do admit I have noticed, in me personaly and with the group of men I have ineracted with both as vanillia lovers and as submissives, that I seem to have far more sexual control and see it is a great source of power during a scene or relationship...BUT I do NOT assume that is true of all woman and all men....


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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 6:00:43 AM   
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I have something that I would like to say and also I am interested in hearing what others have to say about this. "Keep in mind everyone is intitled to their own opinions and beliefs and there is NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANWSER."
 
In my beliefs and opinions it is a Man's world! I do not and will not look at a "supposed" female Dominate as my superior. In my eyes all woman are my equal and we belong on our knees humbly kneeling beofre Men. When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.
 
This is all I wish to say. Please try to keep an open mind about it and it was not ment to offend anyone as I am curious to know what others think.
 
The general consensus is that there are more men seeking submission to female authority than there are any other demographic in the scene.  But I will ask you and anyone else who holds similar beliefs ... if it is indeed a 'mans world' then who are you to question what a man wants to do? 


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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 6:08:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		First of all I would like to say that I am a woman  first and foremost. I do not consider myself inferior to anyone. I am intellegent, strong, self supporting.  I am an equal to everyone (even Master). just because I choose to kneel at His feet and do His bidding whenever and however He chooses does not make me less a person. I do these things because I chose to. As far as a Domme being superior, thats crap... they are human beings just like the rest of us. They just Choose to be Dominant, just as I choose to be submissive. I have to admit it has been hard at times to watch a male submissive with his Mistress but not because I think he is less a person, because male  subs I have met all seem so intense, into their roles so perfectly.. I think most of us female subs could learn alot from them. I don't know if I got the point across I was trying to make or not..So many thoughts on this subject going through my head. anyway I hope someone understand my gibberish
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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 8:34:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slavesrs
When I see a sub/slave Male I am rather disgusted by it as that is not His place, but a womans place.
 
 
With Regards;
 
Slave SRS



Thank you so much for invalidating my life.  You are truly ignorant.  Nice tolerance.  Nice "regards".  I'll stop here.

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 9:48:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nah.  I think the location she chose to post this "opinion" MAY be responsible for the reaction.  However, what it did do, regardless of position is insult male subs for doing the same thing she does (submit).  Her premise also assumes that woman are inherently inferior to males, regardless of their status, education, or experience.
What she is saying by implication is that the local pizza delivery boy should be lauded with service by the females around him simply because of his gender.

I disagree.  THAT is an opinion.
Kyst

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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 9:51:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		While there may be things men are better at...there are just as many things Women are better at.

E/everyone has a place.
Some men are strong and Dom some arnt.
While it may disgust you(the submisssive male) at least they are being true to themselves.
That in turn makes for a happy person,which can make another person happy the next thing you know you have a whole bunch of happy people.



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RE: Slavesrs's Rant - 1/13/2007 10:18:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why exactly would you feel the need to share this, slavesrs?

If you feel this way fine.

Why share it with a group where you know you run a high risk of offending a large number of people?

The only way this could have been less ill-thought out in terms of posting would have been to post it to the "Ask a Mistress" forum.

In my experience, people who feel the need to post such comments are struggling with their own beliefs. Their need to "proclaim" something is really a poor attempt to stop their own confusion or mental/emotional struggles. Such people make me feel sorry for them.

I feel very sorry for you, slavesrs. It must be soul wretching to have beliefs you feel are threatened either by the world around you or within yourself. You need to look within and find your own strength from which to live your life.

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