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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 6:11:14 PM   
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    I don't think you owe an apology for posting this Proudsub.  This is the standard that has been established.  Best if we see it for what it is.  I don't know if it was created by some whacko's of the right or Hillary's black-ops team (no pun intended).

    I hope you don't catch too much flak for daring to be the OP.  I thank you for it.


Thanks for your post Rich.

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 6:49:26 PM   
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Today, he announced his first step in running for the candidacy of president. 



Why?

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 6:51:36 PM   
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I predict a Hillary/Obama ticket.


McCain/Clinton.

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 6:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Clinton/Clinton. Is there anything wrong with Bill being "Vice" President?

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 7:01:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		      Bill cannot serve as President again.  Since the VP is basically hanging out, waiting to assume the real job, putting someone in that office who is ineligible doesn't make much sense. 

     Maybe read the Constitution as feverishly as some do "The Emperor Wears No Clothes?"

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 7:29:46 PM   
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Today, he announced his first step in running for the candidacy of president.
 


Geeze, they guy has only been a senator for how long? About half a term and he's looking to the white house. So far, the guy has done nothing but talked good on TV. But maybe it's time for an all talk an do nothing president.  

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 7:34:39 PM   
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Clinton/Clinton. Is there anything wrong with Bill being "Vice" President?


Maybe ,rather than President of Vice, he could "head" the DEA.


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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 7:45:17 PM   
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Let Charles Barkley run for Governor of Alabama first, as he has talked about for years just to see how he would do but on a much smaller stage.  As for Stephen A., I like him too but think he may be too confrontational for politics.  I mean, it's OK to be outspoken but sometimes you have to know when to reign it in and I don't know if he does or not. 

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 8:53:33 PM   
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He's a Senator and that makes him an "Insider."
"The Senate, where Presidential aspirations go to die."
The last President we had who came from the Senate was John F. Kennedy. His brother Fat Ted couldn't even make it!
It's (The Senate) an "old boys club" bought and paid for by big business. The last thing this country needs is a Senator becomming President.
I'd like to see Lou Dobbs (C.N.N.) in the White House or a truck driver or teacher.

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/17/2007 8:55:30 PM   
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Bill cannot serve as President again. Since the VP is basically hanging out, waiting to assume the real job, putting someone in that office who is ineligible doesn't make much sense.

Maybe read the Constitution as feverishly as some do "The Emperor Wears No Clothes?"


1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice,

and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

So. it looks as if, by the exact wording of the 22nd Amendment, there is nothing preventing Bill Clinton from being elected VICE President. And hey, who knows VICE better?



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RE: Obama for President? - 1/18/2007 1:36:43 AM   
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UtopianRanger,

Let Charles Barkley run for Governor of Alabama first, as he has talked about for years just to see how he would do but on a much smaller stage.  As for Stephen A., I like him too but think he may be too confrontational for politics.  I mean, it's OK to be outspoken but sometimes you have to know when to reign it in and I don't know if he does or not. 

ed


All quite possibly true, Ed. I'd just like to one day see a potential candidate with the '' look em' in the eye '' candor that Barkley and Stephen A. have.

The five or six candidates that are your glorified media darlings, not only seem like they're in someone's back pocket, but everything is measured and choreographed with them ; they're phony as all hell.

And for your standard ivory tower / Ivy league education sycophants, I'll point out that over the last twenty years, we've had two Yale graduates and a Rhodes Scholar from Oxford at the helm..... And during that time, the United States has gone from the largest creditor nation in the world, to largest debtor nation - no shit.

So maybe we might surprise ourselves if we elect a dog catcher with a little common sense and integrity.



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RE: Obama for President? - 1/20/2007 6:25:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am ambivalent about an Obama presidency.

On the one hand, he is rather short of political experience. And his actual policy statements, while not exactly objectionable to my eyes, have been very mainstream Democrat. He has made some pretty speeches but has so far shown no particular genius as a lawmaker.

On the other hand, I find it hard to imagine he could do worse than Bush (a small, cute dog could do no worse than Bush). If he manages himself right, his sheer charisma might tie a lot of the country behind him in ways that are desparately needed these last few years. And it would good to break the 'white male' line of the Presidency.

I think he'd be cutting his own throat by tying his ticket to Clinton's, unless he really had no choice.

Of course, I don't know who the Reps will put forward to oppose him. Did I hear Ron Paul is throwing his hat into the ring?

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/20/2007 8:27:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Clinton/Clinton. Is there anything wrong with Bill being "Vice" President?

:)




He was "vice" president the first time around :)  in both senses of the word, everybody knows Hillary was controlling the policy side of things.

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/20/2007 1:41:06 PM   
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Did I hear Ron Paul is throwing his hat into the ring?


I hope so. 

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/20/2007 1:45:06 PM   
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The last President we had who came from the Senate was John F. Kennedy. His brother Fat Ted couldn't even make it!


Chappaquiddick.  

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/20/2007 1:59:04 PM   
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I don't think this country is ready for a female president.


You may well be right, which is a depressing thought. Sad to think we lag behind Germany, India, Liberia, Pakistan, the Philippines, the UK . . .

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/27/2007 4:59:25 AM   
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RE: Obama for President? - 1/27/2007 7:36:08 AM   
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How about "The Reverand" Al Sharpton?
I'd vote for "Reverand Al" just to shake things up in the two "Big Box" Partys.
I doubt that I'll be voting for anyone in the Republican or Democratic Partys, probably the Constitution Party.
They are growing in leaps and bounds!

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RE: Obama for President? - 1/27/2007 5:40:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting article in Rolling Stone this month predicting Gore will run again.

1)  He has the fund-raising capability.

2)  He has the ability to electrify the internet voters

3)  His public perception has changed dramatically since he won an Oscar for Inconvenient Truth.

4)  He never once supported the war in Iraq, which are nails in the coffins of both McCain and Clinton.

The article made the point that it really is not in his best interest to announce early.

Sinergy

p.s. I predict Gore/Clinton.

p.p.s. will probably still vote for Nader/Biafra, but still...


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