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Do you think the people of the United States would have been in favor of the war with Japan if they knew how Roosevelt maneuvered the Japanese into the attack on Pearl Harbor?

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Did you know that of the 8 battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor only one stayed on the bottom (the Arizona) and that 6 of the remaining 7 were tactically operational in less than 6 months.  That all of the battle ships at Pearl Harbor were half the size of the the more modern battleships in the USN and that only two of the battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor had 16" guns while the rest mounted only 14" guns.  The hardware that the Japanese destroyed at  Pearl Harbor was antique junque.  The fact that the administration knew in advence of the attack they stocked the harbor with junque and prepared it so that it could be refloated and made operational with a minimum of effort.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

My apologies emperor.
I truly believe though that the only topic worthy of discussion left in this thread  is getting high, twinkie, porn and having lots of sex!!
 
missturbation:
I am unsure of your use of the word twinkie....are you speaking of the little cakes filled with whipped cream or is there a more lacivious meaning that I am not aware of?
thompson

 
 

Twinkie is extremely extremely horny

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Did you know that of the 8 battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor only one stayed on the bottom (the Arizona) and that 6 of the remaining 7 were tactically operational in less than 6 months.  That all of the battle ships at Pearl Harbor were half the size of the the more modern battleships in the USN and that only two of the battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor had 16" guns while the rest mounted only 14" guns.  The hardware that the Japanese destroyed at  Pearl Harbor was antique junque.  The fact that the administration knew in advence of the attack they stocked the harbor with junque and prepared it so that it could be refloated and made operational with a minimum of effort.
thompson

Pure conspiracy theory.

FirmKY

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

So whats the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory to you?  WHere do you draw that line?

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So whats the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory to you?  WHere do you draw that line?

Real0ne,

I generally do not engage in discussions about conspiracy theories, or at least, I am very careful when doing so for the simple fact that such beliefs are akin to religious beliefs.

No amount of discussion will dissuade someone who believes in them, and they generally get rather - irrate - when challenged.

I attempted to engage you on this subject several threads ago, when I asked you specific questions about the "USS Liberty" incident and a few other things, but I was ignored.

There are conspiracy theories, and then there is the elements of common human desires and drives that often seem to act as conspiracies. 

Perhaps a small difference in final outcomes, but a big difference in attitude and the understanding of history, and how to affect change, and where to place blame or credit.

FirmKY

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luckydog1:
Because I can tell the difference between a rich mans cow and a poor mans life I am somehow using poor people as pawns?????????
If the govt. drops food to starving people  they will just shit it out and make a mess....is that what you really ment to say???
thompson

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

oh?

do you remember where it was?  i missed it

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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oh?

do you remember where it was?  i missed it

It was the thread in which we briefly discussed the YouTube videos you have in your sig line.  The "Failure of World wide capitalism" thread, I believe.

FirmKY

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yah ok i remember now, i started out to find my supporting docs on it and got sidetracked... 

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Missturbation, I love you madly, but you are  allowing your emotions to lead you astray. If at the time  the US had got itself into position to launch a ground strike on Japan, your decision, and you saw estimates of the likely casulties to your own troops, and an alternative  ie Nuclear Weapons existed....what would you do ?

Incidently, to get close enough to Japan had cost enormous loss of life, fighting for the islands in the Pacific.

seeksfemmeslave:
Could you enumerate what you mean by "enormous loss of life fighting for the islands in the pacific.  The numbers I come up with are less than 50,000 which would be less than 5% of what the germans lost in the battle for Stalingrad. 
Since the Japanese had been trying to surrender since the battle of Midway the claims of a million casualities in taking the home islands of Japan seem more than a little disingenious.
In the end the Japanese got the terms that they started the negotians with ie: the preservation of the emperor.
thompson

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They dont forget,(USA's missiles in Turkey) most probably didn't know. A big point is tho' that the existence of nuclear weapons seems to have maintained the peace , at least between the USA and USSR.

Along the same lines of "not knowing" I bet that most Americans dont know that Heny Cooper knocked out Cassius Clay as he then was. Only some very dirty tricks saved Clay's bacon. Relevence, well it all depends what the mass media emphasise in their reporting.

seeksfemmeslave:
Henry Cooper did not knock Cassius Clay out,  The only real punch he landed throughout the entire fight knocked Clay thruough the ropes and out of the ring onto the apron.  Clay acquired an extra 60 seconds on his stool while the referee found a replacement glove for one that had been damaged.  Clay then went on to beat Cooper mercilessly for the rest of the fight which the referee stopped about one minute before the end of the final round.
thompson

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luckydog1:
Because I can tell the difference between a rich mans cow and a poor mans life I am somehow using poor people as pawns?????????
If the govt. drops food to starving people  they will just shit it out and make a mess....is that what you really ment to say???
thompson

Bluntly, yes tompson...the plan decided on by the people of New Orleans before the storm was that everyone had to be evacuated, if the leeves failed.  That plan obviously failed, some were left behind, and others refused to leave for personal reasons.  But absolutly thousands of pounds of more sewage in the shelters would have been even worse than it was.  Thousands more would have died.  I notice you skirted my question entirley.  At what point would you have had the feds evacuate NO by force?(remeber it would have to occur before the storm hit)  The people who ignored/refused to leave, would you shoot them to make them leave? 

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seeksfemmeslave:
Do you happen to remember what the round by round score was in that fight?  It was a long time ago but as I remember it, Cooper did not even win the round he managede to hit Clay in.  As for the dirty tricks I remember a line from an old fight movie...."the reason they don't hold these things in the sewer is because there is not enough head room."
I did not see the fight but I do remember listening to it on the radio and the radio anouncer was quite descriptive about the power in that punch and he seemed truely astonished to see Clay return to his old form after only 60 seconds of free rest he got from Dundee's skulduggery. 
thompson

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Yes quite possibly but i still believe nuclear bombing of hiroshima was wrong and cowardly.

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Yes quite possibly but i still believe nuclear bombing of hiroshima was wrong and cowardly.

Too bad you weren't there to tell them that. Most Americans i know tend to agree with you, by the way.