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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 5:02:06 PM   
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2) The last sentence of paragraph 2 is bang on. The problem is, when you have two parties offering pretty much the same thing there isn't going to be a great deal in the way of debate as there isn't a great deal of difference to be discussed. Instead, they'll just slate each other on things such as military service rather than concentrate on political policy. 


Well i look at who these people are affiliated with.

Look what we had, both candidates were skull and bones.  
Neither one would they say even one word about it and they were pressed in several interviews. RED FLAG  Hell i never heard of skull and bones.  Good reason not to talk about it.  If the public knew they would revolt.

S & B ties them in with germany, both during the nazi buildup era when the fraternity was formed by JW's grandaddy who desicrated geronimoes grave.  (which i think i am going to make a couple phone calls tommorrow to i think the cherokee tribe and ask them why they have not done something about it or have they?)  To this very day.

Digging into skull and bones will take you right back to ivy league members, financiers and the illuminati.  (the mystery invisible government)  but they are not.  behind the scenes yah...

Point is both candidates are puppets of the financiers.  So what do we have to choose from?  the deck was stacked!

Our forefathers gave us freedom in the form of a democratic republic and the price of that freedom is constant vigilance that i feel many people as a whole in this country have tossed right down the Johnny C in exchange for a fluffy fantasy show with the label democracy attached.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 5:11:05 PM   
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 5:14:07 PM   
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I thought Geronimo was Apache?


yep you are right.  Do you also know where the tribal counsel is located?


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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 5:16:25 PM   
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/21/2007 5:37:32 PM   
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stalin said.  "it not who wins the vote that counts, its those who count the votes". 

I feel we should all get a numbered receipt for our vote and stop this election rigging bs once and for all.  Thats my vote!



Yep. We all like to think we live in democracies and we are allowed to think that as long as we accept democracy within certain perameters.


We havent lived in a democracy since 1913.    That was the first major fraud conducted by the government and since then a constant erosion. 911 was another major fraud to again take virtually all our rights away in the guise of hunting terrorists...   Look at bushy....  the skull and bones and other think tanks have been created to write our new "federalist" laws in such a way that you need a think tank to unravel it all just to understand it.   Every time they come up with a solution to fix a problem its either a law that removes another chunk of our freedom or to protect them in the event of behind the scenes crime.  The internet has literally zillions upon zillions of articles from the same number of people from all over the world talking about how we, that is the usa are being taken over in stages.   Whats going on here is frankly is text book. by the numbers and we are so badly want to believe we live in democracy and are free, that we will need to see gas chambers go up before we actually believe it has happened to us.   If i were the chinese i would be worried.    another thread talks about china getting ready for war, possibly nukes.  you can bet that the bankers are funding both us and china at the same time.  its standard procedure!

i wish i could blame bush for all of this, but i cant.   its our own stoopid pig headed ignorance that is the biggest threat to world peace.   Switzerland has one of the lowest  rates of crime in the world.  why?   Because its law that every houshold MUST have a fully automatic machine gun!   Meanwhile they are continually trying to take our guns away.  Should that day ever come that they do that will be the day i pack my bags and i am otta here because in 1 week this country will be history.

So the very biggest threat to freedom and world peace is "US" as in you and me and our pig headed ignorance to see whats going on right under our noses.   If we cant remember history only 60 years after the fact i think that says somehting for the education levels of this country

If you want to see a very interesting vid clip from a guy who has studied this for 40 some odd years you will find this very interesting if yo uhave an hour to sit through it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2502830637471895940&q=New+World+Order


Oh and i should add that the first person to publically utter the words "new world order" was adolf hitler


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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/21/2007 6:22:16 PM   
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i wish i could blame bush for all of this, but i cant.   its our own stoopid pig headed ignorance that is the biggest threat to world peace.   Switzerland has one of the lowest  rates of crime in the world.  why?   Because its law that every houshold MUST have a fully automatic machine gun!  


Rubbish!

Male Swiss adults perform national service (conscription, the draft, label it as you please), they are all then counted on the reservist list indefinately. The law does not say every house has to have a machine gun, the law says every male adult is a member of the reserve armed forces

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/21/2007 6:58:44 PM   
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i wish i could blame bush for all of this, but i cant.   its our own stoopid pig headed ignorance that is the biggest threat to world peace.   Switzerland has one of the lowest  rates of crime in the world.  why?   Because its law that every houshold MUST have a fully automatic machine gun!  


Rubbish!

Male Swiss adults perform national service (conscription, the draft, label it as you please), they are all then counted on the reservist list indefinately. The law does not say every house has to have a machine gun, the law says every male adult is a member of the reserve armed forces


Lets correct that to say while they are an active member of the militia.

now tell me what you know about america!  LOL   so far you are doing a wonderful job of skirting the thrust of my points, how about addressing the erosion of this democracy.  how the patriot act is or is not unconstitutional etc. how this is or is not a threat to world peace?   Debate me on the main issues instead of the side pork, typos and grammar?


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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/21/2007 7:19:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		How exactly does this all come into play? On one side we have talk of threat to world peace. On the other we have a push and subtle call for world order. Personally if going by the religious aspects..world peace being called as achieved does not bode well for us. As it stands now..I think world destruction and death of such magnitude as not even conceivable by us will have to happen in order for a call of world peace to evolve. At that point..think I'd rather (if even around to see it) see those horsemen in the sky.


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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/21/2007 8:21:25 PM   
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It's not possible that perhaps, it wasn't Bush Bashing, but Bush's Failure to Deliver?


I think we are talking in circles. The people that elected him, think he has delivered, and have some things to point to. To deny they exist, and start calling everyone stupid ... tell me, how do you think President Bush's folksy banter worked the last two times he got elected? 


What exactly has Monkeyboy delivered?

Dumbfoundedy yours,

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/21/2007 8:51:21 PM   
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How exactly does this all come into play? On one side we have talk of threat to world peace. On the other we have a push and subtle call for world order. Personally if going by the religious aspects..world peace being called as achieved does not bode well for us. As it stands now..I think world destruction and death of such magnitude as not even conceivable by us will have to happen in order for a call of world peace to evolve. At that point..think I'd rather (if even around to see it) see those horsemen in the sky.


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i htink imperialism and genocide are a couple of the quickest ways to become hated.   Its only being sold as world peace.  They fully know that they will upset and destabalize the middle east region.  Its planned!  Now we have an excuse to build a base there because they keep on attacking te us good guys!

Its all about strategically controlling the world oil supply and you know that since china uses more oil than we do they are not to happy about it...  No surprise there are rumblings of shooting down satelites and nuclear war,  you can bet china is talking with butt head about iran etc...  where is china gonna get her oil from?

We stepped to far imo, both at home and abroad and there is only one rule when analysing governments actions...  always always always dig into what is to be gained by whom because all of this is calculated and nothing is by chance.  Someone is getting something somewhere for everything that goes on.  While everyone else is staring at the leaves wodering why the tree is turning brown you will be staring at the cancer on the roots and know why.   but then i think you could have told me that....


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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/21/2007 10:50:16 PM   
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i wish i could blame bush for all of this, but i cant.   its our own stoopid pig headed ignorance that is the biggest threat to world peace.   Switzerland has one of the lowest  rates of crime in the world.  why?   Because its law that every houshold MUST have a fully automatic machine gun!  


Rubbish!

Male Swiss adults perform national service (conscription, the draft, label it as you please), they are all then counted on the reservist list indefinately. The law does not say every house has to have a machine gun, the law says every male adult is a member of the reserve armed forces


Most Swiss do have guns at home which counts for the high incidents of gun deaths. Many Swiss go abroad until they are 40 to escape the draft. A Swiss friend of mine said he wasn't going to go on the drunken benders that the army calls military exercisers and put his life at risk for nothing. He spent most of his time from leaving school at university in Canada and banking in London. He will now never be called up because he hasn't done any army training.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/21/2007 10:58:40 PM   
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A Swiss friend of mine said he wasn't going to go on the drunken benders that the army calls military exercisers and put his life at risk for nothing.


Sounds like deer hunting season around here!!!  LMAO


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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/22/2007 6:20:46 AM   
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Ok so presuming you are correct (and you are not) that the USA was a part of the war before pearl harbour would you care to prove you were dragged into it or are you back peddling on that one?

Edited to add germany and italy declared war on you three days after pearl harbour. The USA appears to have taken on what they thought were the little guys Germany and italy and then very bravely killed an estimated 140,000 people on august the 6th 1945 in a nuke attack on Japan. 



     Actually, that is the estimated total of two separate attacks.  The highest single event of civilian deaths was the joint US- British firebombing of Dresden.


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Ok so presuming you are correct (and you are not) that the USA was a part of the war before pearl harbour would you care to prove you were dragged into it or are you back peddling on that one?

Edited to add germany and italy declared war on you three days after pearl harbour. The USA appears to have taken on what they thought were the little guys Germany and italy and then very bravely killed an estimated 140,000 people on august the 6th 1945 in a nuke attack on Japan.
  

WyrdRich:
Most modern estimates on the civilian death toll in Dresden are in the range of  35,000 that would make it less than either of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan  and significantly lower than the firebombing of Tokyo in which more than 100,000 civilians died.
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/22/2007 6:29:23 AM   
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Lets wait and see if a Muslim fundamentalist group get their hands on a Nuclear weapon. Then we will see who really is a threat to World Peace. Or maybe the Indians/Pakinistanis become even more upset with on another.

Then again something might go bang in the Soviet Union, what with all these breakaway Republics and Putin's increasing control of energy resources.

This <pillage resources argument> is a bit of a joke really. Why were so many, probably anti Bushers, so angry when the West refused to buy Iraqui Oil. Also the Oil is only extracted due to the expertise of the West, the Middle Easterners receive a good pay off for doing nothing much. Then they can spend the money buying armaments and making construction deals with the West.
Perrrrrfect arrangement !

My fellow citizens...you need that Oil and I am here to ensure that you get it !!!
None of this namby pamby stuff, save that for Collar Me.





seeksfemmeslave:
Are you suggesting that middle easterners who are capable of making a neuclear device are not bright enough to build a rock drilling bit to drill for their own oil.
That seems a little counterintutive....
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/22/2007 6:46:04 AM   
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While I can understand the use of the one on Hiroshima as a means of saving American lives, the Japanese were suing for peace through the Swiss and the United States refused to meet with them until they tested the plutonium device on Nagasaki.  So the logic of using nuclear weapons to save American lives breaks down when you apply it to Nagasaki.  That was an the US government using Japanese civilians as guinea pigs in a freakish experiment.


Would you mind sourcing this bit of history?

FirmKY



FirmhandKY:
Actually it was in mid 1943 that the Japanese first started trying to surrender via the Russians.
If you were to avail yourself of John Tolands "The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire" you will find ample documentation of this.
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/22/2007 6:55:29 AM   
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No, Bush shouldn't be tried.

"Public opinion" is not necessarily either a reliable measure of morality, nor legality nor of possiblity.  It's often a reflection of who has the loudest microphone, and who can most effectively manipulate the emotions.

Not to mention how the questions are asked.

You won't get any kind of reasoned discussion about this issue here, for the simple fact that on one side, you have enough emotionally involved people who will scream at the top of their voices about every other emotional issue, and they attempt to shout down and shut out opposing viewpoints.

But good luck.

FirmKY


FirmhandKY:
This is just the opposite of one of your previous post in which you mention the "national zietgiest"  ie: public opinion as ample justification for waging war.  You even cited constitutional justification for international facism and thugery.  It appears that you are a little inconsistant in your opinions.
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/22/2007 7:13:13 AM   
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They dont forget,(USA's missiles in Turkey) most probably didn't know. A big point is tho' that the existence of nuclear weapons seems to have maintained the peace , at least between the USA and USSR.

Along the same lines of "not knowing" I bet that most Americans dont know that Heny Cooper knocked out Cassius Clay as he then was. Only some very dirty tricks saved Clay's bacon. Relevence, well it all depends what the mass media emphasise in their reporting.


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Henry Cooper did not knock Cassius Clay out,  The only real punch he landed throughout the entire fight knocked Clay thruough the ropes and out of the ring onto the apron.  Clay acquired an extra 60 seconds on his stool while the referee found a replacement glove for one that had been damaged.  Clay then went on to beat Cooper mercilessly for the rest of the fight which the referee stopped about one minute before the end of the final round.
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/22/2007 7:16:50 AM   
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When did the USSR claim its goal was world domination?


I don't think when Nikita Khruschev said, "We will bury you!", he was taking about a day at the beach making sand castles.
 
A powers are equally to blame. Take any small, poor nation on Earth and make them a power, and they would be doing the same sorts of things.


catilyn:
If you were to read the famous "we will bury you" speach in its entirety you will discover he was talking about economic production...
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/22/2007 7:26:41 AM   
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Once it was acceptable to wipe out whole nations, now it isn't. We are moving forward, though not fast enough


Just because I don't know the answer to this..what whole nations has the US ever wiped out or even slightly hinted this was their intent when they went to war somewhere?

Infact where has the US ever fought that after all was said in done..they did not somehow atleast make the attempt to repair or help repair the damage that had been done. Not asking for success stories here..but any place where the US did not even bother to take a second glance and not offer some sort of assistance somehow afterwards?

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Mexico,Cuba, Columbia,the Phillippine islands,Nicaragua,  the native Americans...are examples of U.S. imperalism where the U.S. waged war and took land and did little or nothing to aleviate the suffering it had caused.
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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/22/2007 7:41:24 AM   
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Anarchy does not work at all.  People beg for someone to pick up the stick.  New Orleans post Katrina is a perfect example


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I am not sure how you make the analogy of post Katrina New Orleans and anarchy not working.  It more likely would be an example of how the folks in power feel about the economically disadvantaged.  The federal government has no problem dropping hay to cold and hungry cows that belong to rich people at taxpayers expense but cant get survival suplies to hungry starving people who did not vote for them.
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