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ToGiveDivine -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 12:07:58 PM)

Racism is just another way of putting someone else down to build them self up.

I can't tell by a person's skin color, or ethnic background, or gender if they are intelligent or not - I have to wait until they open their mouth.

Sometimes when a person is intimidating (i.e. they are smarter, more charming, have some extraordinary talent, etc.) to someone else, that other person will lash out at them because they can't come to terms with the other person's abilities or qualities.

A comedian once said something to the affect that white women (in America) are getting collagen in their lips, they are tanning more, getting liposuction to accentuate their curves so the white men will be interested - so why don't the men just date black women instead?

He was trying to be funny, but why are the social norms such that it's okay to date a women that has changed herself to bring out the appealing qualities of another race, but not acceptable to date the other race.  Granted, interracial dating is becoming more accepted, but old ways die hard.

Some people look at the interracial couple and say, "what, she/he is dating from another race because our race isn't good enough?"  No, the reason is that something clicked between the two and it has nothing to do with race whatsoever.

I know a good person when I meet one and that's what I look for most; not the packaging on the outside.

Racism is a waste of time, there are so many reasons to dislike people on an individual basis - ;-P




GoddessGreed -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 12:10:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bleachedsmiles

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LadyEllen the fact that you and the majority of people who are shouting out the racism card without actually of had viewed the show speaks volumes, and shows just how lazy a card it is to play whenever theres friction between people of different coloured skin. The only person in that house that has brought up any sort of racism issue is Jermaine jackson, as he only see's colour first.
Shilpa mocked the English accent just as much as they've taken off her accent, yet that wasnt viewed as racist.
Jermaine called Jacky white trash, yet that wasnt racist.
Shilpa only eats what she cooks, thats not racist, Shipa said she would only be with a man of the same race, thats not racist.
Jermaine only associates with the other person of colour, thats not racist.
They get together and bitch about Jade and the other whites just as much as jade bitches about her, thats not racist....
so why is it that everything the white people in the house do is a clear act of racism??

It has nothing to do with the colour of her skin, they resent her because of her class, because she comes from a life of servents, this is nothing new, England has always been divided by class but because she happens to have different coloured skin its now a race issue? Thats just such a lazy card to play, and one sadly played all too often that it ruins the country and makes you inclined to be racist.


well said bleached!




seeksfemslave -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 12:16:54 PM)

If this Jermaine is one of the members in the house and your quotes are accurate Bleachedsmiles then I say absolutely typical ,double standards and hypocracy of the PC Liberals.

Somebody in a another thread said that my reference to PC Liberalism meant nothing. Well this is a perfect example of it.
The laughable thing is that they are having exactly the opposite effect to what they are trying to achieve.




HatesParisHilton -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 2:06:09 PM)

this seems like a watered down version of the Turkey Slap incident in Australia on the same show.

which many think was "organized"  during a ratings dip.  ratings went way up, people complained, it got in the news, ratings LEAP, polticians call to ban the show then they and the channel do nothing because they are in bed together.

I saw some of the footage.  I think the Brit TV channel is just being a whore and happy as clams that the Indians are in a furor and making international headlines.  They lose some sponsorship but with the new ratings they'll get back over 800% of that loss in what they'll be able to charge for advertising on the show (at least).  And that revenue is the mainstay.

So it's TV again playng the hooker/pimp/John game, nothing more.




NorthernGent -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 2:40:39 PM)

British television is rapidly becoming a laughing stock.

The whole thing is pure shit.

Educational, informative, entertaining? You must be joking.




meatcleaver -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 2:47:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Educational, informative, entertaining? You must be joking.


It's on Channel 4, a commercial channel. In a free market culture descends to the lowest common denominator, cheap and sensationalist.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 2:51:42 PM)

I believe it is probably a combination of racism (because that is the way the world is programmed currently) and jealousy since that girl is gorgeous.
I also agree with seeks fem for once that a lot of Indians are deluded themselves on the racial question since I've chat with one or two who've told me they were white/caucasian (even though I don't ask anyone's race in chat, and one was darker than myself).    M




seeksfemslave -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 3:10:23 PM)

Well thats a start Ms B_T_Fig. Tho' my views may make it seem that I am a racist on a personal level, that is not true. I have no problem at all with interracial couples , blacks in managerial positions etc  and I certainly do not agree with ideas like Apartheid
BUT
What I note is that where different cultural racial or intellectual GROUPS 
come together at best indifference and at worst hostility up to and including violence results In other words I am a pragmatist !

A perfect example is what has just occured in Australia at one of their Tennis tournaments.
Violence between immigrants to OZ from two groups from the Balkans.
Race is nowhere to be seen in the incidents !!!




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 3:20:20 PM)

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A perfect example is what has just occured in Australia at on of their Tennis tournaments.
Violence between immigrants to OZ from two groups from the Balkans.
Race is nowhere to be seen in the incidents !!!
I have no idea what incident you're talking about as I'm not sure how it relates here;  but I wasn't in any way trying to suggest that interracial disharmony (or ignorant behavior between different ethnicities) is the root of all evil in the world...  I'm pretty sure greed and hunger for power top it.    M




seeksfemslave -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 3:26:46 PM)

It relates because I keep banging on about the problems caused, specifically in the UK, by the imposition of Multi Culturalism.

The incidents on this programme demonstrate, I believe,  the problem.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 3:28:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
It relates because I keep banging on about the problems caused, specifically in the UK, by the imposition of Multi Culturalism.
Imposition?   You mean laws saying yah have to treat all people as such?   Or are they saying all homes have to take in a person of a different ethnicity, lol???   M




HatesParisHilton -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/18/2007 5:54:50 PM)

the Oz fiasco is just more Serb/Croat bullshit, which is not racial or ethnic (that's just an excuse).  It's about the real reason this crap happens, which is the apotheosis of the meathead/bimbo (to be gender-fair, include both) at the expense of anyone whom thinks writing a novel is as worthy of public genuflection as some knuckldragging troglodyte beating the shit outta another trog just to get a ball past a certain point on a field of grass with a pair of white posts on either end.

yes, I'm talking about rubgy and soccer.

many times, "racism" is just a buzzword used to disguise and ignore what really causes half or more of the strife in the world:

MEATHEADS and the bimbos that endorse/support the meatheads.

Which is itself endorsed by over (I'd say) 60% of the voting/buying public.

Many nations have tax payer paid ads against violence, how many of them say "before you raise your kid to beat the shit outta the other team supporter at the game, you have to make him read a fucking book and enjoy it"?

NONE.

ESPECIALLY AUSTRALIA and Britain and the USA.

By the way, fun fact RE violence and racism:

where did Adolph go at the beginning of his takeover leading to his Chancellry position, who did he hire first?

He hired the braindead fucking MEATHEADS at the Steinhalls, that's who.

Just like the soccer Hooligans in Britain and the Mouthbreather "you're a fucking poof if ya read mate!" hoons in Australia.

Whom represent FAR too much of TV, Media and sports revenue.  And thus NO ONE ever does anything about them.

Think on THAT one.





seeksfemslave -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/19/2007 1:42:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
It relates because I keep banging on about the problems caused, specifically in the UK, by the imposition of Multi Culturalism.

Imposition?   You mean laws saying yah have to treat all people as such?   Or are they saying all homes have to take in a person of a different ethnicity, lol???   M


The UK has a totally insane immigration policy with which the OVERWHELMING majority of the population disagree.

On asylum seekers, people allegedly suffering political persecution in their homeland, they are so welcome that the government at one point tried to keep  secret the hostels to which the asylum seekers were sent. When the local populations found out....they protested....Not in my backyard.

Now asylum seekers frequently complain in public that the government has moved them too close to asylum seekers of different ethnic background.
eg for Brits,  Kurds and Pakistanis in Peterborough.




unsure1 -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/19/2007 2:21:51 AM)

Hi A/all,
just like to add my penny worth, i dont claim to understand anything to do with class/ caste etc. i just think that BB is what goes on in all school playgrounds. Not saying its right or wrong.
Jade just needs a right good spanking, She is the cause of the unhappiness in the house, she could perhaps be gagged before the said spanking.
Oh and would the good Dominant who gives the said spanking, please leave the gag in place afterwards!




missturbation -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/19/2007 3:05:47 AM)

According to the news this morning the three girls have made up and shilpa said :-
Shilpa replied: "I know that, I don't think you're racist. I really appreciate that you took the first step."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/19012007/356/peace-breaks-cbb-house.html

So has a big deal been made out of nothing?




meatcleaver -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/19/2007 3:34:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

According to the news this morning the three girls have made up and shilpa said :-
Shilpa replied: "I know that, I don't think you're racist. I really appreciate that you took the first step."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/19012007/356/peace-breaks-cbb-house.html

So has a big deal been made out of nothing?


My guess is they have been ordered to since the programme has already lost its main sponsor through the contestants behaviour.




LadyEllen -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/19/2007 4:10:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bleachedsmiles

LadyEllen the fact that you and the majority of people who are shouting out the racism card without actually of had viewed the show speaks volumes, and shows just how lazy a card it is to play whenever theres friction between people of different coloured skin. The only person in that house that has brought up any sort of racism issue is Jermaine jackson, as he only see's colour first.
Shilpa mocked the English accent just as much as they've taken off her accent, yet that wasnt viewed as racist.
Jermaine called Jacky white trash, yet that wasnt racist.
Shilpa only eats what she cooks, thats not racist, Shipa said she would only be with a man of the same race, thats not racist.
Jermaine only associates with the other person of colour, thats not racist.
They get together and bitch about Jade and the other whites just as much as jade bitches about her, thats not racist....
so why is it that everything the white people in the house do is a clear act of racism??

It has nothing to do with the colour of her skin, they resent her because of her class, because she comes from a life of servents, this is nothing new, England has always been divided by class but because she happens to have different coloured skin its now a race issue? Thats just such a lazy card to play, and one sadly played all too often that it ruins the country and makes you inclined to be racist.


I have not played any card bleached - I asked a question as to whether all this is down to endemic racism, or whether it is down to jealousy which is being expressed through racism. We can nit-pick all day about race and ethnicity, but if Shilpa is being picked on and excluded because she is of a different ethnicity, it counts as racism too, which is why the police are interested as we have strong laws to deal with race hate in the UK.

As to any comments directed at the white contestants - well, tell me - are they true or not? That has to be the test. Whilst Shilpa is not dirty for instance, as has been suggested, the white contestants are white trash, or as I put it, ignorant scum. This is where all sides get into the problem of the "race card" IMO - if I say that people of African origin have small ears - then thats not racist as its generally true, if I say that people of African origin cant understand things because they have small ears, then thats racist. If the comment is supported by the facts, and is not denigratory in content or intent, then no racism occurred. If I call Jade Goody "white trash" then its not racist either - its true, and I struggle to find any reason why that description would not apply, unless one for some bizarre reason looked up to her as a role model, extolling the stupidity she exemplifies.

And then your last point. If you look a few posts before your own, you will see one of mine, in which I point out why I think this is happening; basically jealousy but expressed in the way that all envious people are prone to express it - by picking out that feature which distinguishes the victim - in this case her race/ethnicity background. If Shilpa had a big nose, then they'd pick on that - do you see how it works? Its basic playground bullying, by people whose intellect would be best served by another spell at school.

E




LadyEllen -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/19/2007 4:19:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Incidently, why is it OK to talk about ignorant scum when referring to whites but if anyone said any such thing to a non caucasoid then all hell would break loose.

LadyE, many of your posts have been coherent but in this one you appear to have lost your marbles. Did Jade Goody say anything as offensive as that ?


No seeks. I call ignorant scum on all warranting the description, regardless of who/what they are. I'm an elitist you see, and dont care particularly about skin colour et al. I'd just prefer to see a world where we are all judged on our words and deeds, rather than anything else, and IMO for such a world to come about it is important that quality is recognised over loud obnoxiousness. As it is, our country is populated by Jade Goody wannabes of every background, and that is a disaster.

As for whether racism counts when directed at whites, well it does. Why do you think the police are so interested in these radical Mulsims, for example, who arent threatening us particularly, but are spreading the notion that we are "khufr" - meaning infidels, but used in the same way the "n" word might be?

E




LadyEllen -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/19/2007 4:23:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Lady Ellen, the Police?
Don't the Police in England have anything better to do than investigate soap operas on the telly?


Yes Popeye - the police!

We have very strong laws in the UK, regarding stirring up discord not only on racist grounds, but also regarding religion, ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc. There have been over 30,000 complaints - the highest ever, for any broadcast of any programme ever - 3 times what "Jerry Springer The Opera" ever generated, so clearly a lot of people believe something has occurred here. Hence, the police are under a duty to investigate.

E




missturbation -> RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) (1/19/2007 4:31:00 AM)

We may have very strong laws but they are not always enforced. I have had a few race incidents in my time as a bar manager and very rarely is anything done about them.
As far as i can see the only reason anything will be done is because the case is so high profile and they will feel they have no choice.




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