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Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 6:51:46 PM   
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I read this today on the train coming back from Washington DC.

>Sexuality is all about bridging distances -- but to bridge distances, you must have distances. And for all our sentimental talk of seeking an "other half" (perhaps the only expression to loom as large in Plato's Symposium as it does in the cursives of Hallmark), most of us do not, in fact, seek "a part of ourselves." We do not long for our left leg. We do not desire our brother, nor usually even our best friend. Erotic love -- for all of its attraction to what it recognizes and identifies with -- is drawn at least as strongly to what it does not recognize. In truth, it is drawn toward the distant and dangerous more than it is to the sweet, the solicitous, the familiar.<

Arguably BDSM comports with the above because it operates as a polarity --- keeping lovers as others ---- top from bottom --- Dom from Sub ---- maintaining a more fresh, more easily revived sexual connection. Its also a kind of triumph of discomfort (bondage, beatings, teasing, exacting, testing, probing) that dovetails nicely into sensual union.

Anyway, this article gives one food for thought. I do agree that over familiarity is an anti-aphrodisiac, marriage can devolve into the banal, and that passion --- whose kissing cousin is "the thrill" --- spring from something unfamiliar, new, or rediscovered.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 7:02:29 PM   
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i would say that many do seek a 'part of ourselves'.  i think that's what you're describing when you talk about the polarity and dovetailing.  the two (or more in the case of poly relationships) of you become one and so you are each a part of a whole. so to use your body analogy...perhaps He's the arm and i'm the hand but we are joined as one.  each wouldn't function as well without the other.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 7:10:03 PM   
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What about all the people who say that their life love IS their best friend?  Or that after so many years it just keeps getting better?

I agree- we seek the new.  But that doesn't mean we leave behind the comfortable old.  The trick is to grow into the new TOGETHER.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 8:39:43 PM   
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quote:

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What about all the people who say that their life love IS their best friend? Or that after so many years it just keeps getting better?

I agree- we seek the new. But that doesn't mean we leave behind the comfortable old. The trick is to grow into the new TOGETHER.


Yes, you can talk about "some people," but you have avoided marriage like the plague. Poly is all about avoiding the banal.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 9:14:37 PM   
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quote:

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Yes, you can talk about "some people," but you have avoided marriage like the plague. Poly is all about avoiding the banal.

Um what?  I have been engaged to be married.  I have had many discussions of marriage with my partners.  I don't think I've expressed any displeasure or avoidance behaviors towards marriage at all.

I simply don't see a place or need for it in my life at this time.  I doubt I ever will, but I may.

And I might not have a legal contract of marriage, but I am living with a partner and we lead a pretty banal life for the most part.  I embrace the banal as I do the extreme.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 9:35:32 PM   
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I do not believe that sexual chemistry or attraction is based on differences or bridging some mysterious "distances."
We are all fairly compatible...man/penis...woman/gash.

People who are childhood sweethearts.... same hometown... just as relatively happy....as any other couple.

I'm a lib and if I got marooned on a desert island with right wing conservative...we probably would make it work about the same as if she shared my ideology or whether we shared the same  ethnic or different make up.

Either we would soon be fucking up a storm or I'd eat well for a few days.

Pretty much the same approach to dating I use out here...

Still wating... (staring at computer for "new messages" to arive...lol)

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D.G.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 9:42:27 PM   
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Yes, but you probably wouldn't embrace the banal without the extreme. Next, you really haven't pushed the envelope of banal with one person over time in a marital, monogamous relationship. This is not to say ipso-facto marriage is banality, but rather to point out you haven't put a good ten (10) years into a marital relationship, much less one that has offspring involved. As much experience as you may have, you don't have this experience and you don't have a proclivity to gain it either.

To such folks the article (not my post) was particulary addressed, the point being that the ordinary, day-to-day familiarity between long time marrieds wears on their libido.


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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 9:47:44 PM   
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quote:

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Yes, but you probably wouldn't embrace the banal without the extreme. Next, you really haven't pushed the envelope of banal with one person over time in a marital, monogamous relationship. This is not to say ipso-facto marriage is banality, but rather to point out you haven't put a good ten (10) years into a marital relationship, much less one that has offspring involved. As much experience as you may have, you don't have this experience and you don't have a proclivity to gain it either.

To such folks the article (not my post) was particulary addressed, the point being that the ordinary, day-to-day familiarity between long time marrieds wears on their libido

As I said in my first response- I think we all gravitate towards the new.  I think we all have our weird quirks and fun things we like to experiment with.  Vanilla couples are not at all boring like so many kinky people like to say they are.

As well, PLENTY of bdsm relationships grow stale as well.  The extreme becomes the boring, it becomes cliche, we become disillusioned and cynical.  The issue of "things got boring" is a very common one in bdsm relationships, just as it is in non-bdsm relationships.

My point, as it was to begin with, is that the people in relationships must grow and become what they will together- or the relationship will end.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 9:58:46 PM   
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I dont really think that I could get a hard on for my left leg, and that makes me kinda erectiley dysfunctional I suppose...am I the only one?   Is this common?

Ron


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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:06:24 PM   
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i have a question along the lines of this subject

would it be considered "sexual tension" if a sub is not seeking a sexual relationship, but the Dominant is?


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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:08:19 PM   
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No, sexual tension is you leaving the house.

Ron


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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:09:57 PM   
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you know, if i had transportation or could afford cabs like everyone else, i would...with that said...can we move on from that subject. it's really bugging me.

now, is there anyone out there with a non-bias,  non-pregidous answer to this question?


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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:23:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

you know, if i had transportation or could afford cabs like everyone else, i would...with that said...can we move on from that subject. it's really bugging me.

What's wrong with Metra?  You don't need to be able to afford cabs to get around.

quote:

now, is there anyone out there with a non-bias,  non-pregidous answer to this question?

No, that's not sexual tension.  That's basic incompatibility.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:26:14 PM   
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as i have said many times here, the buses stop runing around dark, so getting to munches at the times they are usually set can't be done on a bus. hopefully everyone will read this and pay attention this time.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:26:43 PM   
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Forget the fact that you can't spell prejudice, Mike, we really are trying to help you here, why not be like Lou Reed and ask your self the musical question, why walk?

Anon


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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:31:39 PM   
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anything i say usually are taken as excuses, but i will say this one last thing before i stop addressing this issue once and for all. i have weakened cartledge in both knees and walking is a chore for me.

now, can we please move on from this subject. i do not wish to be reprimanded by the MODs again for going down this road again.

thank you very much


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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:32:31 PM   
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More excuses? 

There's always a way Michael.  Get a bicycle, ask for a ride, walk.  The only thing stopping you from going is you.

~stef 

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:33:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I read this today on the train coming back from Washington DC.

>Sexuality is all about bridging distances -- but to bridge distances, you must have distances. And for all our sentimental talk of seeking an "other half" (perhaps the only expression to loom as large in Plato's Symposium as it does in the cursives of Hallmark), most of us do not, in fact, seek "a part of ourselves." We do not long for our left leg. We do not desire our brother, nor usually even our best friend. Erotic love -- for all of its attraction to what it recognizes and identifies with -- is drawn at least as strongly to what it does not recognize. In truth, it is drawn toward the distant and dangerous more than it is to the sweet, the solicitous, the familiar.<

Arguably BDSM comports with the above because it operates as a polarity --- keeping lovers as others ---- top from bottom --- Dom from Sub ---- maintaining a more fresh, more easily revived sexual connection. Its also a kind of triumph of discomfort (bondage, beatings, teasing, exacting, testing, probing) that dovetails nicely into sensual union.

Anyway, this article gives one food for thought. I do agree that over familiarity is an anti-aphrodisiac, marriage can devolve into the banal, and that passion --- whose kissing cousin is "the thrill" --- spring from something unfamiliar, new, or rediscovered.


Anyway, back on the SUBJECT of the post... I agree that overfamiliarity can have a deadening effect on a sexual relationship, especially if neither partner is willing to try something new. I don't think thats limited to vanilla relationships, though, as LA said, a lot of BDSM relationships have suffered the same fate. It's more about the people in the relationship, rather than the label that is put to it. After all, I think a lot of relationships have a bdsm or power exchange aspect to them, they just don't tend to put labels on it like people in the lifestyle do.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:40:41 PM   
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stef,

I have looked at this from all sides, there is no betterment,  Mike should try to cakk himself  by swallowing a sock, if he can afford them and if not, should be provided one, because there is no use, so suicide seems a reasonable way to express his sumbibbbbnneeesment at this point...time to   drink the poison koolaide even if it  is reminicent of Dr Scholls .......

it is far less painful, than walking around the block, or placing a chair in the sun.

After all, it is the art of war.

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RE: Sexual Tension - 1/19/2007 10:53:49 PM   
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stop pushing me

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