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Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/20/2007 5:24:41 AM

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Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain?

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/20/2007 5:44:24 AM

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A resounding yes. D/s pain is a very different pain. There have been many times that I needed a session/scene/whatever-ya-call-it just so that I could focus past the bad pain and function normally again. I liken it to cutters, they so often cut to feel again. I need the D/s pain to get past my body pain and become me again.
I'm not sure I am explaining this well, I've never written this out. Heck I've never even verbally discussed this concept with anyone, so I will probably do some thinking and return to the thread later.
SirDiscipliner69, this is an intriguing and timely question for me. Thankyou for posting it.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/20/2007 9:28:44 AM

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No. It is a stress reliever though. Play definately seems to be beneficial to the human soul.

Pain in my mind is mental if you push yourself hard enough the pain seems to dissipate in time.
Mind over matter and all that jazz. I am someone who has a broken ankle in two places.
Two broken fingers. Both because the doctors did not take care of them in time. Three years ago I needed two full knee replacements.

Nothing has been done. I've conquered my pain myself. How long it will last I have no clue.
Though, I can definately see why one would want to cover up a pain with another better pain.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/20/2007 8:53:59 PM

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Not intentionally - but, I have noted it to be a side benefit...if that makes sense (?)
Interesting question - will have to think more on this.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/20/2007 8:57:50 PM

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I have occasionally yes and it works so beautifully. After a good session, I don't hurt much at all for days. Beats pain meds hands down.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/21/2007 9:57:38 AM

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I was hoping that more would respond to this :(

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/22/2007 4:39:01 AM

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If you haven't already heard of it, there was a movie that came out a few years ago called SICK: The Life & Death of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist. He used BDSM to help manage the pain from cystic fibrosis, and i believe he may have written a book as well.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/22/2007 11:39:50 AM

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Sometimes it helps to loosen Me up,whipping a submissive can be a great arm work out.Other times I am groaning in pain no matter what I'm doing for a session.

I have used the TENs unit on My arm to relieve muscle pain...does that count...lol

The high I often get during a session makes Me feel sooo good,I can sometimes forget about the pain for a bit.Just relieving tension can make pain go away.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/22/2007 12:03:15 PM

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Yes indeed scening sometimes does help loads with physical pain, and emotional pain for me. Even if it's just a temporary respite it helps me loads.
I often find the emotion I expel in an energy exchange scene leaves me all relaxed like a little grinning monkey at least the rest of that day.
What the down side is for me is the next day not only does the prior pain come back, but the sub drop can magnify it and make matters worse. I personally DROP HARD after a hard scene for a day or two.
There have been times like sub4hire mentions where if I'm just antsy or stressed it fully disappears in the extreme sensation, but my real pain seems to just go and wait around the corner till it's buddy sub drop comes back with it in tow.
Do I still recommend playing when in pain? Sometimes.
If the person that hurt me emotionally is the one I'm going to play with, the unresolved issue keeps me from getting in the right head space to scene.I still have done this, but it was my obligation as someone's sub and not what I wanted to do at the moment. I'm not into the masochistic like the pain in it's own accord I actually feel it's more torture than a good thing to play with the one who's left me with unresolved bad emotions and makes me anxiety driven.
If the one who hurt me emotionally and I discuss things and resolve why I was hurt I think the make up scening can be better than make up sex.
If it's due to physical pain it would depend on the exact illness or injury.
For example if my throat hurts or I have a headache sure I want to play, but if say my back hurt me bad I'd be worried about hurting it more doing impact play, but would be open to say pussy torture or needles etc... It really depends on what hurts, and what play to be able to say yes or no.
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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/24/2007 7:12:09 AM

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A resounding yes. D/s pain is a very different pain. There have been many times that I needed a session/scene/whatever-ya-call-it just so that I could focus past the bad pain and function normally again. I liken it to cutters, they so often cut to feel again. I need the D/s pain to get past my body pain and become me again.
I'm not sure I am explaining this well, I've never written this out. Heck I've never even verbally discussed this concept with anyone, so I will probably do some thinking and return to the thread later.
SirDiscipliner69, this is an intriguing and timely question for me. Thankyou for posting it.

Yes it can be a different sort of pleasure pain..if We might only be able to bottle it, it would put crack to shame...

So do you participate in any aspect in cutting?

I do understand what you are trying to explain..it is a spiral need rather than a lineral one...

I would welcome your future participation in this socratic debate if you please.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/24/2007 9:30:18 AM

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:)
Yes I used to be a cutter, years upon years ago. It gradually stopped as I began to get ill. Now I spend most of my time avoiding pain lol not welcoming it. {Excepting certain types o pain}
I'm pleased that you mentioned that it is a spiral not a lineal pain, I don't think many are aware of the difference or that there is a difference.
LOL do you have any idea how often I wish I could just fill my journal with this crap? I've spent a long time refusing to look at any of this, now it is staring me in the face and not backing down.
Oh oh oh, thanks for the prizes! They made me smile.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/24/2007 10:03:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

What the down side is for me is the next day not only does the prior pain come back, but the sub drop can magnify it and make matters worse. I personally DROP HARD after a hard scene for a day or two.
There have been times like sub4hire mentions where if I'm just antsy or stressed it fully disappears in the extreme sensation, but my real pain seems to just go and wait around the corner till it's buddy sub drop comes back with it in tow.
Do I still recommend playing when in pain? Sometimes.
I'm not into the masochistic like the pain in it's own accord I actually feel it's more torture than a good thing to play with the one who's left me with unresolved bad emotions and makes me anxiety driven.

Yesss. Sigh. It comes back treblefold sometimes and I never know when it will do so. Simply a massage can do this!
It is a big part of why I am debating shutting down this part of my life.
I can't keep compartmentalizing things, nothing stays in place like it ought to.

*the usual. IMO.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/24/2007 11:42:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: cjenny

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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

What the down side is for me is the next day not only does the prior pain come back, but the sub drop can magnify it and make matters worse. I personally DROP HARD after a hard scene for a day or two.
There have been times like sub4hire mentions where if I'm just antsy or stressed it fully disappears in the extreme sensation, but my real pain seems to just go and wait around the corner till it's buddy sub drop comes back with it in tow.
Do I still recommend playing when in pain? Sometimes.
I'm not into the masochistic like the pain in it's own accord I actually feel it's more torture than a good thing to play with the one who's left me with unresolved bad emotions and makes me anxiety driven.

Yesss. Sigh. It comes back treblefold sometimes and I never know when it will do so. Simply a massage can do this!
It is a big part of why I am debating shutting down this part of my life.
I can't keep compartmentalizing things, nothing stays in place like it ought to.

*the usual. IMO.

OHHHH You and I must be very alike in this indeed.
One of my most trusted Dom friends is a psychologist.
He told me this driving need for everything to fit in any category or box kink or vanilla comes from being a control freak. Not in others, but within ourselves toward our selves.
His advice was to quit all the rationalizing everything to death and JUST BE.
He said in predicting, or putting everything into boxes we actually put our path in a jail of sorts.
My homework (lol Which I've been doing now about 5 months and have no where near finished yet) was not to say I think things are like such and such, or I need so and so to do such and such, or I want such and such from this activity, but rather to act on our desires without predicting the outcome before we even are comfortable enough to begin.
He said stop analyzing everything to death and take it just as it is without twisting it till it makes sense to me.
Not everything has to be understood to be able to deal with it.
Some things there is no reason why it just plain is that way.
He also said only my motives or reasons I did something are relevant to me, and to stop imposing my thoughts into other's actions.
I don;t think if you feel you are a sub that leaving would be anything other than more detrimental than staying the course and maybe more damaging in the long run.
Remember it's always darkest before the dawn.
What if your dawn in BDSM is right around the corner?
Putting on a blindfold or hiding in the windowless cellar won't keep it from coming, it will just stop the beauty you'd get in participating in it instead of trying to pretend it wasn't there.
If you'd like to discuss this more privately I welcome you to write me here.
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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/24/2007 12:12:46 PM

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Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain?

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Not really but Im a chronic pain sufferer and when I need relief beyond what I ordinarily use, Ive been known to self-inflict pain by punching the pain afflited area just to get the endorphins working. This is something I would never ask my submissive to do for me, nor do I take anything addictive. No abuse history but I dont want one either.

It works for me.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/25/2007 1:44:50 AM

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An interesting question is posed here; yes, a few subs have
told me that they enjoy experiencing D/s pain to mask
physical pain and emotional pain.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/25/2007 10:30:34 PM

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Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain?

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Not really but Im a chronic pain sufferer and when I need relief beyond what I ordinarily use, Ive been known to self-inflict pain by punching the pain afflited area just to get the endorphins working.

Interesting...I have had the unfortunate task of dealing with a bad back from an accident years ago...something I have grown accoustom to...

This is something I would never ask my submissive to do for me, nor do I take anything addictive. No abuse history but I dont want one either.

It works for me.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/25/2007 10:33:01 PM

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An interesting question is posed here; yes, a few subs have
told me that they enjoy experiencing D/s pain to mask
physical pain and emotional pain.

Quite a few have told Me that...so I do apply the best I can...for Myself...and for them.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/26/2007 10:26:15 AM

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I used to a lot. Am more careful now. I have a bad back, miracle that I am still walking. Every single verterbrae is messed up with at least 2 major problems. I very seldom take pain meds...my mind usually can control it.

Awhile ago I was having some major pain that I could not control, and I hate pain meds with a passion, although I have the best of the best in different strenghts. I would hurt so bad that I could not sit or stand up....i had to get the weight of my head off my neck...so i would have to lay down or sit with my head supported.

A good friend wanted to do a flogging demo on me one night and although I was tired I agreed as it was a small crowd and not really anyone else around that he could do it to show some newbies. I was hurting really badly. He started and damm it was better than pain killers, and it actually took the pain away and it stayed away for a week. For awhile everytime it came back, he would fix me up. Was talking to my doctor about it, comes to find out...was doing more damage than good in the long run and could very possible end me up perment parayalzed from the neck down....

So, be very careful if you are using any form for pain. Talk to your doctor about it. If he says will make no difference..great go for it...but the last thing you would want is to hurt yourself more...correct?

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/26/2007 7:42:34 PM

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yes I have used ds pain as a cover up for emtional pain but never for physical pain. there have been times when i have asked my Dom to " beat me till u see blood" . thankfully he's smart enough to know thats the emitional hurt talking and doesnt listen to my upset rambling's and stops long befor blood.

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RE: Have you ever used play to mask day to day pain? - 1/27/2007 6:55:54 AM

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i have not reied for physical pain, but for emotional pain, a good spanking can cure almost anything. plus that feeling of humble after is enough to make any girl embarassed she was being so emo and self centered. i too, used to be a cutter as an early teen so this could be an underlying factor to the end result.

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