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A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 10:11:28 AM   
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I think some questions asked here are just bad questions and answering them is just a waste of time.
For me an example of a bad question would be:

"How do I know if I am dominant/submissive?"


Every time I hear this question I think of the scene in My Cousin Vinny when he is cross examining the moron who saw the robbery from his widow. Showing him a picture and pointing he asks (and I am paraphrasing):


"And what are these bushy things here blocking your view"?
"Uhhhhh bushes?"
"good, go ahead and shout em out if you know them".
"BUSHES"
"That's right, and that dirty stuff on the windows?"
"DIRT"
"Very good!"
"And what do bushes and dirt do?"
"Block your view?"
"Yes!"


A man asks, how do I know if I am dominant? Come on, you know the answer. If for the longest time you have been jerkin the gherkin while humming I'm a little tea cup and imagining doing the housework with a broomstick up your ass at the direction of a women wearing only high heals and a stern expression, it is unlikely that you are a dominant no matter how conflicted you may be or how many pairs of leather pants you invest in, so do yourself and the people around you a favor and accept yourself, and do not try to be what you know inside you are not.
You know.

A women asks, how do I know If I am submissive. Again, you know the answer. Your husband treats you like a goddess and you can't stand his touch, your lover puts his hand around your throat and you cum like you never have before. Your fantasy does not include a white knight carrying you off to the sunset but rather a black shadow tying you down in the darkness.
You know.

Some things you just know. You may not be acting it out or be getting what you need, or even understanding the possible implications of that knowledge, but if you have made it here than you know that there is a possible avenue of expression shared by others, and if you know yourself at all, than you should know what you are.

The evidence is all around you, in your interaction with friends and lovers  and in your introspection of self. If you truly don't know, than I think you should take some time to think about it before jumping into D/s/BDSM. I say that because while I think D/s/BDSM is a good way to explore who you are it is not a good way to find your self. Do that first and come back, and I promise you that you will save yourself and others a great deal of time and grief.

I think generally speaking people know exactly who they are in this regard, but may not want to accept it for whatever reason, and as a result keep questioning in the vain hope that a new answer, one that they would prefer, will arise. I think many wannabe doms/subs emerge from the muck as a result of this errant confused thought process. While I believe that much of D/s is illusion and sometimes even delusion, I also believe that a core fact is that no matter what your pursuit, in the long run masking your true self will only bring you unhappiness and failure.

I think that once you know/accept you are by nature dominant/submissive, than the real issue is that having these feelings or this sense of self does not necessarily  mean that you are potentially a  dom/master or sub/slave because that is dependent on the degree to which you have these feelings.   The obvious is obvious and the rest is a matter of degree.

With that in mind I think rather than asking " how do I know I am a dominant/submissive" what people new to this are really asking or wanting to ask or should be asking is this:

"I know I am dominant/submissive because <insert personal story>  but I don't know to what degree, or in other words to what extent, and I am wondering where should I go from here to find that out?"

So what is the answer, you ask?






How the fuck do I know :)



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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 10:16:06 AM   
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quote:

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"And what are these bushy things here blocking your view"?
"Uhhhhh bushes?"
"good, go ahead and shout em out if you know them".
"BUSHES"
"That's right, and that dirty stuff on the windows?"
"DIRT"
"Very good!"
"And what do bushes and dirt do?"
"Block your view?"
"Yes!"



Well, I don't really care what others ask - if it's not something I'm interested in, I don't answer.  But you had to go and quote one of my all time favorite movies, so all I can say is, maybe it's the yoots who ask the more "novice" type questions, eh? 

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 10:31:42 AM   
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Great post.

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 11:16:59 AM   
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quote:

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A women asks, how do I know If I am submissive. Again, you know the answer. Your husband treats you like a goddess and you can't stand his touch, your lover puts his hand around your throat and you cum like you never have before. Your fantasy does not include a white knight carrying you off to the sunset but rather a black shadow tying you down in the darkness.
You know...

How the fuck do I know :)




I'd say you don't.

People are rarely so black and white. 


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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 3:40:01 PM   
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Thank you

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 3:47:13 PM   
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quote:

Great post.

 
Not sure how you consider this to be a great post, personally I find it arrogant and overbearing....it may come as a surprise to you, but there are those out there, particularly the younger members, who are very confused by all this. And there is also such a thing as a switch, somebody who feels both dominant and submissive feelings....so there is no bad question...there are just bad answers to perfectly reasonable questions.
 
 

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 3:59:56 PM   
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"Not sure how you consider this to be a great post, personally I find it arrogant and overbearing"

You have your opinion and she has hers. Who is to say who is right or wrong, you?


"....it may come as a surprise to you, but there are those out there, particularly the younger members, who are very confused by all this."

We are all confused by this, my point was that we can gain clarity by asking the right questions just as much as reading the right answers.


"And there is also such a thing as a switch, somebody who feels both dominant and submissive feelings"

We all have dominant and submissive feelings so by your definition we are all switches. Personally I would hope newcomers to this would not start off as switches but explore their "dominant" feeling first and go from there but I am not a switch and would like to hear from one as to what they would recommend.


"....so there is no bad question...there are just bad answers to perfectly reasonable questions. "

See I feel that in actuality there are bad questions,  those that don't get you the answers you need.

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 4:09:42 PM   
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Your movie example represents one person.
 
The rest, involves very large sample groups.
 
What do you suppose Vinny would have to say about judging groups? 

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 4:20:57 PM   
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quote:

What do you suppose Vinny would have to say about judging groups?

I think he would say,

lots of these youts here are asking the same questions and we all deal in generalities
when discussing broad issues :)



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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 4:35:03 PM   
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Who are you calling a broad?

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 4:45:39 PM   
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I aint slept in 3 nights, The moderator is moving my posts, I got a pretend knight nipping at my cuffs like a royal poodle, the judge keeps putting me in jail, AND  to top it ALL OFF I got the lives of a couple of youts hanging in the balance.

And now YOU GOTTA BODDER ME WITH DIS? ")




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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 4:58:18 PM   
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Yeah, I noticed you were all pissy about a moved post. What you may want to do is cancel that check you wrote for membership here.

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 5:08:22 PM   
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Maybe a nap would help.

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 5:08:45 PM   
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aaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwww is the big bad guy being too mean to the little boy...

I do agree that there is Bad Questions... of course... there is also alot of bad answers too

Inaddition... what is considered a Bad question or Answer is rather subjective to each of us.

I happen to think that "How do I know if I am dominant/submissive?"  is generally a badly asked question... but a person does have an opportunity to give a good answer to it.  Sometimes it might be an answer that redirects the person towards themselves to answer their own question rather that trying to actually answer the question itself.  Maybe a person can appreciate that it is a badly asked question and ask question in response in an effort to understand better what the person is actually trying to learn.

Then there is just individuals that can't accept an answer that is given in an open and honest manner without prejudice...

Like... "Why was my post moved"   instead of accepting the answer such person gets stupid and snarky.... after a few stupid more comments... finally the individual reduces to giving an apology for not accepting an answer without prejudice. 

So... it's not only badly asked questions and answers... one can also poorly accept answers that are given.  Some individuals recieve their answer to their questions with grace and respect.. even when the answers shed them in a bad light.  Others will they make a habit of stepping in it over and over again.  After awhile... the apologies lose their value and meaning.

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 5:10:15 PM   
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ROFLMAO

Nice set up for the shot.

Yep that's me, disgruntled member of a club with no dues which makes you the unpaid peanut gallery. Thanks for being here.
 

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 5:16:04 PM   
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*giggles*

I love how all threads in some form degrade into a pity party or member bashing event.

No offense Sly. Just statin' an observation.

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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 5:17:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SlyStone


A women asks, how do I know If I am submissive. Again, you know the answer. Your husband treats you like a goddess and you can't stand his touch, your lover puts his hand around your throat and you cum like you never have before. Your fantasy does not include a white knight carrying you off to the sunset but rather a black shadow tying you down in the darkness.



And maybe some want both 
 
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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 5:26:18 PM   
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And maybe some want both

Of course.


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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 5:31:42 PM   
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No offense Sly. Just statin' an observation.


No offense taken and there is  no pity or bashing on my end. Alright a little bashing but really just a little.

I'm just having a little fun throwing bones at the poodle.

"Here boy bring it back to master"




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RE: A Matter Of Degree - 1/21/2007 5:41:49 PM   
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are you always so predictable... don't have anything orginal or the least bit creative....

hell this is easier the shooting fish in a barrel

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