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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs


I also can see when a woman who is Dominant, concedes it may appear as submission but, in all relationships; even between enemies there is a dance of tactics.  The end result of winning and or maintaining a dominant stance is the goal.
 

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ORIGINAL: seekstofasn8adom

I don't think it is possible without a subs permission,so in that case are the subs really the Dommes?

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ORIGINAL: Floggings4You

I think the key word in the question is 'approval'.  Approval doesn't mean consent before (or during) the scene, it means positive feedback afterwards.

I absolutely think that a Dom or Domme can dominate a sub (male or female) in such a way that the sub gets off on the submission, even if the sub may not necessarily 'approve' of ,or enjoy, the particular acts invovled.

For me, this is the difference between a sub and a bottom.  A person who gets off on particular acts, is a bottom.  Bottoms will ask that specific things be done to them, and will also refuse to do certain things. 

A person who gets off on doing another's will--with little concern for a particular act--is a sub.  Subs may have very few hard limits, and will often engage in acts they don't enjoy, because this (and perhaps only this) demonstrates the depth of their submission.

Keith.

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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

Sure it is possible to dominate without consent.  There are many ways from psychological to physical.  However, why would someone want to?  To me that breaks down all the reasons I do what I do.  Now, I do make a distinction between play struggles but even those scenarios are consensual. 

For me, I am a dominant personality.  However, in a relationship, even if it is just with a casual play partner, there is consent involved and negotiation.  If there is a good fit, it works.  I would not expend the energy on someone who has no desire to submit to ME.  I also have no desire to put myself in a possible hairy legal situation by forcing someone who has not given consent.