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Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 7:35:44 AM

SimplyMichael

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In high school the guys who weren't getting laid called the girls who slept with others sluts and I think that is what many (certainly not all) who attempt to wrap themselves in the musty old guard cloak are doing. The rest of us who have partners aren't "real" we are just after kinky sex or watered down S&M, in other words, just sluts.

The more things change, the more they stay the same I guess. For me, S&M has always been about creating a unique synergy between me and my partner. That synergy is dynamic and changes over time and is lost when one or both of us moves on. I will only accept a strong, dynamic, and independent woman as my submissive and I will not shove her, nor myself, into some mold created by another, so kindly take your "old guard" and slip it where the sun doesn't shine. Instead I will create something new and magic with her alongside me on our own unique path and journey.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 7:39:46 AM

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While I would find this an appropriate response to a person who had begun a thread on how Old Guard was the "one true best pure way of things"- when you start it on your own you just look sour and like you have a chip on your shoulder. In fact you've been coming across that way for quite awhile now.

Why the negativity out of nowhere?

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 7:40:18 AM

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LOL

HERE HERE!!!

Except i'm not sure where you are coming from and who the "Old Gaurd" is and what they think is "Right" and why they're going around calling other's sluts.

But! I do know that my Master agree's with you and has yet to push me into any sort of mold,. lets me be myself with a few minor changes. Except he might not agree as i havent a clue to the first part of the post = )

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 7:43:54 AM

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Well - generally speaking when people get negative, they are usually pretty upset about something that they refuse to admit they are upset about. Or talk about. So my guess would be, that something is going on in his life that he isnt talking about that is colouring everything else in his life and is seeping out of him.

Of course, only he can tell us whats really wrong.

Care to share?

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 7:52:27 AM

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LA,

I could hijack any number of the ongoing threads that have people speaking about old guard or I could do whatever I wanted and simply start a new one.

As for "chips on my shoulder" I have never liked those who are sure I am "doing it wrong" because I am not of the same religion/sex/politics/whatever and I have no problem pointing that out.

As for my posts, there are plenty of constructive ones, this one doesn't happen to be one of them.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 7:58:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
I could hijack any number of the ongoing threads that have people speaking about old guard or I could do whatever I wanted and simply start a new one.

No one's denying the choices you have available.

I'm questioning the motivation for making this particular choice.

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As for "chips on my shoulder" I have never liked those who are sure I am "doing it wrong" because I am not of the same religion/sex/politics/whatever and I have no problem pointing that out.

I don't think anyone really does.

But, to make a contrast, my thread in the Switch Forum about people not taking Switches seriously was an attempt to deeply look at the process of what switching is, what it can be perceived about and to discuss some of the frustrations in being so misunderstood and put down as a switch.

This thread is nothing but negativity out of nowhere, your own personal angry bits- no real contribution than the yet another "pro-dommes suck" thread or "people who don't email me back suck" thread.

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As for my posts, there are plenty of constructive ones, this one doesn't happen to be one of them.

And that's a shame- because this colors all the others.

If I didn't think you were capable of better, I wouldn't have responded like I did. But I don't think your anger or negativity here is serving anyone, especially not you.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:02:30 AM

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ProDommes SUCK???????

What's in MY wallet??????? I got plans, baby----

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:06:35 AM

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LA,

I love you too. Women eat ice cream, men get negative. I would eat ice cream too but I am working hard on getting back into real shape. There is nothing in my negativity that meeting a beautiful amazing woman and winning the lottery wouldn't cure overnight.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:09:50 AM

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quote:

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LA,

I love you too. Women eat ice cream, men get negative. I would eat ice cream too but I am working hard on getting back into real shape. There is nothing in my negativity that meeting a beautiful amazing woman and winning the lottery wouldn't cure overnight.

Eating ice cream is at least private.

If you want to work off your negativity, go write bad poetry or get on an exercise bike. Don't start pointless rants in public.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:15:42 AM

SimplyMichael

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LA,

I adore you, I truly do, but as they say "you aint the boss oh me"...

So while I appreciate and truly value much of your advice, let me give you some. If you don't like the thread, just ignore it.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:16:43 AM

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Ah........ let him. Let him work out whatever's going on. Sometimes the best help is ranting out loud. Never understood the ice cream thing though.

I once heard that when a person is really angry - to imagine walking up to random strangers on the street and yelling "FUCK YOU" in their faces.

The point of that is to show a person how silly it is to be angry at the world......... but honestly i think it would feel really damn good. Of course it might eventually feel silly, but by then the anger would be worked out.

I think for the sake of man kind and people in his offline life - we shouldnt have a problem with him yelling "Fuck You" on the boards here. It is better then walking up to others and doing it. That would be impolite = )

CM is a good place to vent, ask questions, learn, educate others, and let off steam. Its a good SAFE place where you dont have to worry about hurting those around you.

i vote for letting him vent here

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:17:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
So while I appreciate and truly value much of your advice, let me give you some. If you don't like the thread, just ignore it.

Original, really. It's not the thread I'm working on here- it's YOU.

But I think we've come to the end of that on this occasion.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 9:20:00 AM

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I, for one, would rather read a good rant than bad poetry!

MaryT

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 9:27:38 AM

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Ima just sitting here grinning and thinking..."Aint he cute?"

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 9:53:07 AM

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Well I must have missed the "Old Guard" folks saying anything about you doing it wrong.
Of course if they were actual Old Guard folks the fact that you're not looking for a man would mean you're doing it wrong, LOL. (kidding for a point) You know as well as anyone ere that anyone who actually was"OldGuard" wouldn't be bothering with this site for the most part, far to Hetero male oriented.

My question is why would you validate their claims to "Old Guard" with this post since you know they are not actually Old Guard but rather folkslooking to USE Old Guard as a club to beat folks with rather than as an example of some experiences that discovered somethings, paved the way and had all the good and bad that we have today.

Of the folks I know who were actally around for the late 50's throgh th late 70's most of them are pretty darned tollerant. At least half of the ones I have spoken with would tell you that the way they did things wasn't always the "right way".

Old Guard bashing is as counter productive as any group bashing, they always end up with the same baby and bathwater situation

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 9:56:07 AM

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I believe most confuse ol guard and the ol style english discipline.old guard refers to the gay community that was in effect after the war.leather guys strict discipline codes to live by..I refer to our style as ol english.strict discipiline,protocols and rituals..THERE is a difference believe me...WILLIAM

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 10:00:34 AM

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"Old Guard"..."New Guard"...I prefer "Right Guard" keeps me dry and yet somehow feeling remarkably refreshed.

out.

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ps. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 10:22:37 AM

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SM,

Well yes you do come across as ranting and thus your porpose has been diluted.

Archer and BountyHunter have said it best, re the original meaning and the morphed meaning of later times, which generally presented envolves the properties of TRUST, RESPECT, HONOR on both sides of the slash.

CP

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 10:26:19 AM

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To paraphrase Laura Antinou I'm reaching the Middle Aged Guard. LOL

I enjoy speaking to the few First Generation Leathermen from the late 40's and early 50's I have met most of them are now dead but a very few are still around and make it out for an event or two every now and then. The second generation 50's and 60's Leathermen are great fun as well to discuss how they did things back then. I tend to group the Old Guard as first 3 decades mid 40's through mid 70's, as actual Old Guard.

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BTW went to the other post and saw the "cause" for the effect of this post.

Not sureI agree thatthey were telling you you were doing it wrong just that the philosphy of today's BDSM is certainly a bit watered down, from what the Old Guard folks did.
I might have tried for a different phrase than watered down myselfbecause ittendsto have a connotaton that is negative.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 10:39:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedSavageSlave

Ima just sitting here grinning and thinking..."Aint he cute?"

he is actually isnt he? I think he should put up some more pics on his profile.

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