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One More Blow For Poly - 1/23/2007 3:50:51 PM

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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070115/COL04/701150333&&imw=Y

Now this article was mentioned to me by a non-local Lifestyler in game chat and frankly, between that Sir and another, the three of us were absolutely flabbergasted that such a thing could be allowed to pass.

Pass as well as find support in states close to my own. The thing is, while the lawmakers can claim that it was made with the purpose of increasing the severity of the prisoner's sentencing, the one area of infidelity that they chose as the moral grand stand affects those of us who are Poly minded or even just Swingers.

And everyone has had that nosy neighbor or ten in their lives. Just because something is on the books and largely unenforced, it doesn't mean that an event that may bring you before the judge won't have this little gem lurking in the sidelines to turn a slap on the wrist into a longer stay in prison.

Seriously, it just worries me and may even discourage those who are Poly oriented from either marrying or dissuading them from adding on to the family for fear of getting a little or a Sir/Ma'am/Family in trouble.

Gods...it just hurts to think about.

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 1/23/2007 4:20:35 PM

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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070115/COL04/701150333&&imw=Y

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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070115/COL04/701150333&&imw=Y

Now this article was mentioned to me by a non-local Lifestyler in game chat and frankly, between that Sir and another, the three of us were absolutely flabbergasted that such a thing could be allowed to pass.

Pass as well as find support in states close to my own. The thing is, while the lawmakers can claim that it was made with the purpose of increasing the severity of the prisoner's sentencing, the one area of infidelity that they chose as the moral grand stand affects those of us who are Poly minded or even just Swingers.

And everyone has had that nosy neighbor or ten in their lives. Just because something is on the books and largely unenforced, it doesn't mean that an event that may bring you before the judge won't have this little gem lurking in the sidelines to turn a slap on the wrist into a longer stay in prison.

Seriously, it just worries me and may even discourage those who are Poly oriented from either marrying or dissuading them from adding on to the family for fear of getting a little or a Sir/Ma'am/Family in trouble.

Gods...it just hurts to think about.

Did you read the whole article? It seems pretty clear to me that you have nothing to worry about..

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 1/23/2007 4:49:32 PM

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Yes..i really did. That was part of the discussion in the room i was in Sir. There is another one that i am looking for with Virginia as the backer that actually pushes over into areas where Polyamorous lifestyles would be affected.

You are right though, for what concerned me, likely i should have found the Virginia article instead of this one that i could locate.

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 1/24/2007 4:51:52 AM

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Just because something is on the books and largely unenforced, it doesn't mean that an event that may bring you before the judge won't have this little gem lurking in the sidelines to turn a slap on the wrist into a longer stay in prison.

Ever see the movie "Miniority Report"? Where people were freaking out not because of what happenes, but because of what *COULD* happen in the future.

The law in question was not writen with adultry in mind. The court case in question was about a drug deal and not about adultry. Heck, even the decision in the case handed down wasent about adultry. Just that adultry was mentioned in a footnote. And there hasent been anyone even charged with adultry in over 35 years. But all that dosent stop the hysteria driven "We are opressed!" persecution complex now does it?

I swear, one of these days someone is going to quote a news article about cattel regulation and claim that is ~proof~ that the evil right wing christians who control government are just trying to opress ponygirl kink.

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 1/24/2007 6:46:22 PM

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"The provision decrees that a person is guilty of first-degree criminal sexual conduct whenever "sexual penetration occurs under circumstances involving the commission of any other felony."

I think you're safe as long as you aren't committing a felony at the same time. So if you give someone a bj and he runs a red light, you aren't guilty of CRIMINAL sexual conduct. If you do it while buying a kilo of cocaine you are. Sounds simple enough.

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 1/25/2007 1:26:46 PM

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I think you can be worried if you happen to live in Michigan - infidelity is a felony there apparently, as the article states, although no one has been prosecuted for it since 1971.

I found this interesting:

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The Court of Appeals opinion could also be interpreted as a tweak to the state Supreme Court, which has decreed that judges must enforce statutory language adopted by the Legislature literally, whatever the consequences.
In many other states, judges may reject a literal interpretation of the law if they believe it would lead to an absurd result. But Michigan's Supreme Court majority has held that it is for the Legislature, not the courts, to decide when the absurdity threshold has been breached.

Sounds like the typical results of right wing half-brainism, I'm sure the people of Michigan must be all up in arms about "judicial activism" - they've somehow gotten the impression that the courts are supposed to function merely as a rubber stamp for the legislature, not how it works.

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 1/26/2007 5:13:23 PM

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Just another reason I'm glad that I left Michigan... the PAINFULLY stupid laws that stay on the books while they sit around legislating about what to call a Christmas tree (yes, they did that).

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 1/27/2007 7:03:53 AM

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Something going on in the northern states, seems to be where all the conservative philanthropies are located - Wisconson was supposed to be another conservative paradise, a test bed for welfare reform, charter schools, state subsidized religion, etc. - I think they basically increased their crime rate and poverty levels, while their test scores dropped, and bribery and kickback scandals became pandemic.

These were the same people that brought you "compassionate conservatism", BTW.

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 1/27/2007 7:07:38 AM

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http://www.mediatransparency.org/

Click on "issues", on the left side of the page, and look at Faith Based Watch, School Privitization, Neoconservatism, etc.
Try this one:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=37

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 2/6/2007 5:56:57 AM

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Articles can be written, law enforced but very seldom have I seen a poly family in any type of neighborhood that be seen as "different" unless they had problems outside their homes....and caused the attention.
I have lived most of my adult life within a poly....

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 2/6/2007 7:11:43 AM

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So if you give someone a bj while buying a kilo of cocaine ...

i love the mental picture i get with this scenario!

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RE: One More Blow For Poly - 2/6/2007 9:12:13 AM

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Actually, i was more saddened by the fact that such a law was even thought up let alone allowed to pass. While infidelity and adultery are in my opinion, your own damned choice....making it a legal penalty in any way shape or form beyond grounds for annulment or divorce, just smacks of deep and unnecessary intrusion into people's personal lives.

Hmm...have to forgive the way i initially worded that since yes, it did sound a touch Chicken Little now that i have had more than 8 hours of sleep under my belt. Proof that one should not post without adequate rest since i was kindly asked by a Sir how my post went and my response was 'what post?'

However this topic still does worry me. Not for the 'we shall be persecuted!!' aspect (*grins warmly in thanks of that viewpoint*) of it but the 'what the hell next?' . i am as aware of silly laws on the books in various states as the next person but honestly, what is to stop someone from one day taking a silly law and twisting it to their advantage to excuse a heinous act or justify something that by any other name is just plain WRONG?

Hmmm....though i don't see that law being very popular with legislators in the state and their lovers on the side. ^_~

Safe Journeys all and thank Y/ou for the input!!

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