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ShiftedJewel -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 3:29:12 AM)

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That is true....  but you can't go to sites like CollarMe or messengers  at the library...  it's not allowed...


I've had a sub that contacted me almost daily from a library... so it must be ok at some of them.
 
And the only time we've ever put anyone out with no warning and with no money was when we had one here that couldn't tell the truth to save her life and was trying to rob us blind. When gathering up her stuff to take it to where she was at the time (we found out accidently where she was... she lied about that too) I found paper work from previous victims... things like SS#'s, banking info, insurance papers, employment info... then I called her mom and her mom confirmed what I suspected and added that she had even gone so far as to pull a cancer scam on her own parents and had screwed them out of $20,000.
 
Not that it matters but she found another sucker on the internet and they "rescued" her from the hospital she was staying at (she swears she has a heart condition but in reality she is addicted to hospitals and the morphine they provide).... that lady contacted me a few weeks later, as did some of her previous victims.
 
Her name doesn't start with a "T" does it?
 
Sorry, but I don't fall for the hard luck stories anymore... Me and mine don't wear armor and we don't own a white steed.
 
Jewel



swtnsparkling -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 3:49:35 AM)

shelters have access to Collarme?
do you know her personaly have you met



SimplyMichael -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 3:59:14 AM)

Stupid shit happens to stupid people. 



SlyStone -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 4:27:30 AM)

A true slave would have anticipated this possibility.



bandit25 -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 4:31:33 AM)

Nice!



mstrjx -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 4:56:16 AM)

I've done the opposite.  Several times.

Nobody likes to admit something better than 'the best'. However, over the years (a whole bunch of them) I've had the dubious pleasure of being with several live-in submissives who had decent jobs prior to living with me.  During the course of our relationship(s) they would go on to lose their job, find another only to lose it, be picky about finding a job (months go by), etc.  Yep, I've had my luck.

Not once did I dissolve a relationship because there was another waiting in the wings.  I'm not that way, and probably never will be.  But these relationships had to end, if for no other reason for me to recoup.  So, I took the very highest of roads and waited until they could find some sort of arrangement where they would not be without any food or shelter.  This alone could go on for some months, while I stand by being supportive.

By the way, this above scenario is NOT in the plan for 'whatever comes next'.

Jeff



jadia -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 5:01:57 AM)

I don't usually weigh in on topics, but this one is compelling.  My old granny used to say "there are three sides to any story....your side, my side and the truth."  Hearing this on the surface, one would think it was unusually cruel, however I would think further investigation would be necessary before the cavalry was rallied to her aid and the dominants declared heartless and mean.  What did she bring with her?  What did she offer the relationship besides domestic service?  At age 43, she has no job skills or life skills to make it in the world independently?  She was there for 3 months, what was negotiated beforehand?  I can't think of a reason to "toss someone to the curb" unless there was a gross violation of contract or integrity.    In my experience, I have only encountered situations like this twice...once the "slave" was a vagabond, travelling from Master to Master until she found one that "took" arriving at the new place of servitude with little more than a grocery bag of clothing and a few books and no intention of being somewhat self supporting.  The other instance, also the "slave" arrived with two suitcases, period, and lived at the total support of the Master until she violated the basic foundation of the relationship with dishonesty, thievery, and cheating.  In the second instance, the "slave" also tried to rally the community with tales of cruelty and abuse, which those who knew the Master knew were untrue.  However, in the second instance, the "slave" did find someone who believed her, offered to buy her a car, move her in with them, get her established, etc. etc, only to find themselves discarded when a "better offer" appeared.
Again, my old granny used to say "don't get yourself in a mess you cannot get yourself out of as easily as you got in!"  At age 43, she should have known this from the gitgo.  Sorry, I am cynical enough to not buy into "poor pitiful Pearl" in this day and age.  Guess I am one of the hard hearted ones!
best regards,
jadia



ExSteelAgain -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 6:02:01 AM)

You have to assume the consequences of moralistic posturing. We know nothing of what happened in that situation. We know she came into the situation with nothing and left with nothing. We, also, have examples of others who have had bad experiences with submissives brought into a family. There is a convenient ambiguity in this story. She was released for a reason whether we know what it was or not.

Let’s take a case where finances are not part of the discussion. Ideally, all open-minded folks will mediate and have input into the terms of a release.  That way the sub takes responsbility, also, for what comes and does not  complain as much. It was just for the best or whatever phrase fits.

If the Dom or family ultimately decide to release a sub, they can make a real effort to find her another Dom situation. Of course they may make an insincere, show attempt, but that clouds the issue. They can, also, consciously choose not to help the sub find another Dom or to recommend the sub to anyone. They have decided they would be doing a disservice to whomever they would give her to. They may, in fact, be doing the right thing.



thetammyjo -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 6:32:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuvnHome4FemSub

Hello everyone.
I have a question for the dominants on here.

If you took on the responsibility of a slave, and a few months down the road you found another you wanted more...would you throw the first one out of your home with nothing, having her (or him) ending up in a shelter?

This has happened to a girl that I have been speaking to for a while, and I find it horrendous.

I expect to set up a savings account where money is put aside each month for whoever comes to me. Then should I not be here for her she can fall back on this. Also, if things change, she has this to take with her to begin again.

Just my opinion. I look forward to your responses.



First, I would never set up my household this way.

I consider it part of my duty as the head of household and the mistress of any slaves in it to help everyone become the best person they can. Included in this is having a strong sense of financial ability and management. A slave will be asked to contribut financially to the entire household but I would never prevent him from having bank accounts and holding a job -- in fact, I'd insist on it.

Second, even if I did completely control the finances I certainly wouldn't do so that quickly in a relationship. I believe in taking time, working things out carefully, and evaluating each step along the way. I couldn't see exercise fully financial control for at least a year of the relationship. By then you should know whether or not you are compatible and are willing to both work on maintaining the relationship.

Finally I want to say that while I can "feel" for the person who finds themselves in this situation, I also believe only mature people should be getting into serious Ds or Ms relationships. A mature person needs to be able to look after herself and not allow herself to be put into that situation in the first place.

BDSMers or Leatherpeople may be in the minority but we aren't rare. If someone wants to control too much too fast and does not provide of a wide range of possibilities, you need to be strong enough to say "No thanks" and look else where. Take off the orgasm fueled goggles and the rosy romantic tinted lens and start planning things with a firm foot in reality.



LuvnHome4FemSub -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 7:32:31 AM)

I have appreciated all the responses to this. Let me set a couple of things straight though. She has never asked me for a penny. She started a job a few days ago, and yes she comes here through the library. I feel that I am becoming her friend, and we all need someone we can talk to sometimes. My wallet is in no danger at all. I just wanted other views on how something like this can be done without a second thought to the others' well being.
Yes, there is quite a bit of online drama going on all the time, but still, if it all is true....isn't it disgusting to think about? As I said in the beginning...just my opinion. 



Devilslilsister -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 7:49:56 AM)

i've kicked out boyfriends with out a moments notice, nor a place to live.  After giving them a week to get their crap, i tossed out their crap too. 

i've also walked out on boyfriends on a moments notice, with technically no place to live and not a penny to my name. 

So no, i dont think its horrendous.  i think life happens.  Out of ALL the evil things you can do to another human being, kicking them out into the world is the least of it. 

They could of tied her up naked and left her next to a busy road.  Or they could of taken her to a ghetto neighborhood, and kicked her out of the car nekkid to make her own way.  Personally, i think being kicked out of a car in a ghetto neighborhood stark nekkid would be worse........ yet its still doable. 

Atleast the couple didnt box her up and ship her off to some rich middle eastern man who wanted to chop of her clit.  Now THAT would be horrendous.  Course i think it'd be more horrendous to be shipped off to some one who practices in human sacrifices.

Hell she should just be happy she's alive.  When you're alive - anything is recoverable.



CreativeDominant -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 7:50:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuvnHome4FemSub

I have appreciated all the responses to this. Let me set a couple of things straight though. She has never asked me for a penny. She started a job a few days ago, and yes she comes here through the library. I feel that I am becoming her friend, and we all need someone we can talk to sometimes. My wallet is in no danger at all. I just wanted other views on how something like this can be done without a second thought to the others' well being.
Yes, there is quite a bit of online drama going on all the time, but still, if it all is true....isn't it disgusting to think about? As I said in the beginning...just my opinion. 


As has been noted, we still don't know the full story.  I cannot conceive of anyone putting anyone out of their house for absolutely no reason other than they get up one day and decide "eh...I'm done and you're gone".  Tis possible, perhaps but there is enough eynic in me to doubt it.

I am a big believer in a submissive or slave taking care of themselves financially.  I work for what I have and I have no desire to be the sole breadwinner.  I believe that a job outside the home is necessary for broadening of the mind and enhancement of the work ethic...and that relates to me as well as everyone else I come into contact with.  This woman was 43...certainly old enough to know that she has no business giving her life completely over to someone else's rule without providing for herself in case of the "unthinkable". 

There are many types of romance.  Expecting someone else to care for you completely up to the point of providing a safety net for you even though they have, in all reality, just met you is one of the more dangerous romantic notions.



LaTigresse -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 8:04:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuvnHome4FemSub

She has never asked me for a penny. 

My wallet is in no danger at all.


Not so far. Be careful. I am sorry but anyone 43 years old, that is stupid enough to set themself up exactly as you have described is either an idiot. OR, a scam artist.

At age 43 a greater percentage of the US population has a career of some sort, owns property, and has the beginning of retirement planning (savings or 401K). I find it hard to believe that this person is a totally innocent and penniless victim. If so, shame on her.



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 8:08:16 AM)

It depends on what she agreed to. If she did a total asset turnover with no plans for savings, etc. this was one of the risks. If she had nothing to begin with, is the Dominant still liable for her when the relationship is over? Again, it depends on what she agreed to. It sounds like neither of them really took the time to sit and look at the relationshp and it's consequences. Never count on anything lasting forever. Most things don't.

Master Fire





crouchingtigress -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 8:22:47 AM)

The premise of the abandonment of a perfectly good slave because there is another relationship this couple wants to persue....yeah right.

So this woman cleans 3 houses and does child care, yet she would not welcome a second slave to help? And the couple does not want to try to have more then one slave?

Every master and thier mother, seems to be on the multiple slave kick, i cant imagine that a couple, of two dominants would not have first tried a multiple cohab situation first.

And also a paper "signed by all"  means that with 30 bucks for small claims court her problem is solved....we dont see her as a victim, but the courts dont look to fondly on slavery, bdsm, and free cleaning and child care.



spankmepink11 -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 8:37:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuvnHome4FemSub

I have appreciated all the responses to this. Let me set a couple of things straight though. She has never asked me for a penny. She started a job a few days ago, and yes she comes here through the library. I feel that I am becoming her friend, and we all need someone we can talk to sometimes. My wallet is in no danger at all. I just wanted other views on how something like this can be done without a second thought to the others' well being.
Yes, there is quite a bit of online drama going on all the time, but still, if it all is true....isn't it disgusting to think about? As I said in the beginning...just my opinion. 


While it may seem a heartless thing to be thrown out/replaced, etc...etc... Ultimately we are all responsible for our own well being.  I can't imagine myself in such a position. I don't think i would feel like a whole person if i had no resources of my own, nor the ability to live independantly in the event of a broken,  live in relationship. 

Also, the signed contract you quoted says nothing of what would happen if either party wanted to dissolve  the relationship.  I agree with jadia's granny, 3 sides to every story....

good luck to your friend...



BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 8:42:31 AM)

I have had to kick a slave out once and she didn't leave in rags or empty  hands,she had her own checking account and she had stolen me blind...two years ago DIANE ASK  a girl to leave because she continue disobey every rule and wasn't a good fit for our family...I have heard of many who have just kicked a slave to the curb after many years of service with nothing but that not our way of doing things..WILLIAM



Missokyst -> RE: Discarding a slave (1/24/2007 8:49:29 AM)

I totally agree.  Both parties have an equal responsibility in the practicalities of the end of a relationship.
Anyone making the choice to pick up and move in with someone should have a backup plan if things fail.  Savings put aside, an idea of where to go, and travel money just make good sense.

If I were the slave (which would never happen!), I would not be happy being auctioned off, as suggested by a prior poster. 

Kyst



SCswitch -> RE: Discarding a slave (1/24/2007 8:51:29 AM)

I have just been through releasing a slave only to reinstate him.
He moved out of my home, but it was due to some legal violations with the city government which the city dropped when he moved out.

But to throw away a slave just because you found another is not an acceptable reason, and the person doing that should really consider whether they need to be in this lifestyle. 
I had a friend that got thrown out of her home by her Master. It was devestating to her. She is a beautiful girl. 

I saw how badly my slave handled being released, but I had to take control. We get along much better living apart, and I gave him plenty of time to move and helped. 
There is some experience for you. It is not a wise thing.

Respectfully,

SC Switch




TheStickman -> RE: Discarding a slave (1/24/2007 8:53:07 AM)

Let's try an experiment....we'll set up guidelines, agree to them mutually and begin as a "couple"



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