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Missokyst -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 8:56:18 AM)

Courts will not honor a contract for slavery.  You cannot agree to participate in something against federal law in the USA. 
However...
She may have a case on that point alone.  More than likely she could be paid for services rendered. 
..and that opens up a huge can of worms
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: luv4softbutch

[8|]If a contract is taken to a notary and signed by all, why wouldn't it be legally binding?  




domiguy -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 10:01:52 AM)

Yes, the slave needs to go to "slave" court....Like our judicial system isn't fucked up without this inane nonsense....

Judge: "let's see, it says here here that you want to be compensated for the work you did and for drinking piss...."

The person in question,if they really exist at all, (I personally think I'm the only person alive in the universe and you all are just part of my nightmare) used poor judgement and is obviously incredibly stupid...and hopefully they,the couple, threw the slave out and now that person starved to death online at the library or in some ditch...Thereby removing their genes from the pool....Does anyone know if the slave had children?  Should be all of our moral obligation (to society as a whole) to hunt them down and perform an extreme late term abortion...Yep!(looks over post,nods approvingly) that about sums it up.

I'm glad this happened.

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.




Missokyst -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 10:29:22 AM)

Actually.. there is a case in NY where two slaves sued their owner for compensation from a website in which they starred.  He is, or was, under house arrest for who knows what.  Not sure if the case is still ongoing or if they settled.  But they did get to present their case and he was arrested.
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean that it can't be offered and accepted by the court system.  Slavery is against federal law. 
And suits can happen, regardless of the initial intent.
Kyst




demistress -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 10:32:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luv4softbutch

That is true....  but you can't go to sites like CollarMe or messengers  at the library...  it's not allowed... If I wanted to go and be with a mistress or poly family say like from here, I would make sure I had money in the bank to leave if I needed too before I made the change.  If my new family had a bank account for me then all the better.  But safe rather then sorry! 


This is not actually true of all libraries, my houseboy messages me on yahoo from the library he spends time in.




MiladyElaine -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 10:36:35 AM)

A contract isn't legal but the Owner could "lease" (slave's legal name) a room in Their abode and the monies made by said slave would be the rent.




RumpusParable -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 12:04:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuvnHome4FemSub

Hello everyone.
I have a question for the dominants on here.
 
If you took on the responsibility of a slave, and a few months down the road you found another you wanted more...would you throw the first one out of your home with nothing, having her (or him) ending up in a shelter?
 
This has happened to a girl that I have been speaking to for a while, and I find it horrendous.
 
I expect to set up a savings account where money is put aside each month for whoever comes to me. Then should I not be here for her she can fall back on this. Also, if things change, she has this to take with her to begin again.
 
Just my opinion. I look forward to your responses.
 


Hello,

Absolutely I would not do this.  If I felt the need to let a slave go who had been living with my controlling all their outside options for self-support I would return their freedom fully to them.

Their money, clothing, car, and whatever-else access would be given back for them to leave with.

To boot someone out in that situation I would need to be quite angered by them, not just having an interest in another.  If I simply wanted to release them and they hadn't committed some grave infraction I would give them a bit of time to ease out of the house.

The only time that I would ever dump someone out of my home with nothing is if I genuinely feared for my safety with them.  And even then, I would inform them that they could come back for their things at a set time when the police would be there to keep things under control.

RP




RumpusParable -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 12:20:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Courts will not honor a contract for slavery.  You cannot agree to participate in something against federal law in the USA. 
However...
She may have a case on that point alone.  More than likely she could be paid for services rendered. 
..and that opens up a huge can of worms
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: luv4softbutch

[8|]If a contract is taken to a notary and signed by all, why wouldn't it be legally binding?  



True, you can't have and expect the courts to back up any agreement to consentual slavery... but there are other agreements that could've been made here and notarized that *would* be upholdable.  Say, a legal agreement to X services for supplied room, board and Y amount of spending money.

Phrase it as a normal live-in service agreement as a job of sorts and leave the dynamic to the personal side of things.

I agree with others, though, that this woman should have taken more care of herself regardless of my agreeing with the situation as being wrong, if true.  Having a fall-back plan of some sort or other is an individual's responsibility for themself, in my opinion.  Hell, the person's dominant/family could've been killed suddenly in an accident of some sort or another immediate cut-off of their support and home could have occured. 

As others have said, "Hope for the best, plan for the worst".  The unexpected and terrible happens, intentional and not.




chrissyslave -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 1:37:57 PM)


[/quote] 
RumpusParable shared:
True, you can't have and expect the courts to back up any agreement to consentual slavery... but there are other agreements that could've been made here and notarized that *would* be upholdable.  Say, a legal agreement to X services for supplied room, board and Y amount of spending money.

Phrase it as a normal live-in service agreement as a job of sorts and leave the dynamic to the personal side of things.
[/quote]

If the contract was set up as a living rental/services arrangement, personal relationship aside, then tossing to the curb without due warning could be construed as forceable eviction.  If responded to at the time, the police can force you to let them back in, but if leave could just take the Dom/master to court for damages incurred (unlike with normal personal relationships).  In this case, a master would likely have to give due notice to vacate (most are 30 days in places), and could be contested and even stretched out to 2-3 months if all options to contest were done.  For either side to prevail would benefit from witnesses and photos, besides the agreement duly written up and legally binding, but more depends on who wrote up the "contract" as to be a "usury" type..more burden on the master if he wrote it up to be legal for him to enforce.  Just general concerns being shared here, not legal advice..

I think some agreement is good, but if it does not provide for some due reasons to vacate the home faster such as with theft, then it could be a bad situation for everyone.  I've done this with tenants renting rooms in my personal home when I had one, and because of the type of persons they were it was a nightmare in general, and hell on earth given some were mentally off men.  I'd rather slave at two jobs then go through that again...oh wait!....I'm only looking for one slave position at the moment for myself!  Good stuff being shared here and the other comments about financial responsibility and having an "out plan" up front is very good to hear and do. 
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GentlehandSTL -> RE: Discarding a slave (1/24/2007 1:50:28 PM)

To join in the callus and cruel department here…

One this site there have been ‘several’ women that were in effect homeless*, and I had been made offers of ‘blow jobs of a bed’

Now, I like blow jobs as much as the next guy, but the second thing I thought of was ‘…and how do I get her out of my house?’

Thus in a rare fit of responsibility, where blow jobs are concerned, I passed no the whole thing.



*living with sister, sleeping on friends couch, and one claimed to be in a shelter, and using the computer in the library




MistressDiane -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 3:38:14 PM)

Even in the instance that I asked a girl to leave she wasn't out in the cold. We had all already agreed upon a time period to get to know and spend time with each other to make sure it was the right fit for us all, a period of months. In the meantime her and her husband were in the process of a seperation, quite amicable believe it or not, and he was being responsible and keeping his end of the bargain with her and making sure her car payments and what not were all paid for until the time she was stable.  He even paid for the apartment she moved into and kept the rent and utilities paid. she was ready to move in with us right away but I insisted we would stick to what we agreed to (glad I did). When she left here she had a home to go back to and wasn't sweating anything financially.
We try to approach the possibilty of a live in as mature adults. You'd be surprised at how many "adults" will jump into a situation without a thought about their future and barely know the people they are getting involved with. One would work in our family not only to contribute to the household but to also be able to save for the *just in case*.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 4:48:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luv4softbutch

That is true....  but you can't go to sites like CollarMe or messengers  at the library...  it's not allowed... If I wanted to go and be with a mistress or poly family say like from here, I would make sure I had money in the bank to leave if I needed too before I made the change.  If my new family had a bank account for me then all the better.  But safe rather then sorry!


See, that's the best way to do... Cover your ass just in case. I understand that it isn't always possible (can't think of why at the moment though), but at least have some kind of back up plan. We've only had to do that once and I honestly don't feel bad about it. But whenever someone has come here and it hasn't worked out we have tried to part as friends and at least get them back to where they came from or to some place else of their chosing (with in reason that is). As far as getting rid of one because supposedly found one we like better... not on your life... hell, finding another to come here has been enough of a challenge... lol
 
Jewel




lucreziaborgia -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 7:27:16 PM)

What the f*ck is a slave supposed to do?

all the time:

where are the "real" slaves. why won't she submit. submit bitch or you are a fake. Kneel...

"property of.... soandsomasteroftheuniverse"  I worship Mistress Satana and will do anything for Her! "let's play!"

vs.

"grow up!"  be responsible - hold out on the bastards!"  Take no shit from anybody.. if it is a hard limit for you. Tell master to go blow himself.  "I do whatever I want, all the time, and cry when I have to make the bed- cause i'm no doormat!"  See ya!

Anyone see the hypocrisy?




MaryT -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/24/2007 7:41:51 PM)

Survival instincts are good.  A slave who has them is likely a better slave than one who does not.  A master/mistress who respects such instincts in a slave is likely a better master/mistress than one who does not ... likely a better person too.




Kana -> RE: Discarding a slave (1/24/2007 11:04:23 PM)

I would never discard such a slave casually without ,hmm, how to put it, feeling as if I had just cause to act in the manner in which I did, which is a roundabout way of saying that I had been wronged deeply. When I make arrangements for such circumstances discussions are held and details are set out in writing that hold legal validity and both parties accountable to the agreed terms. There are always escape clauses for both parties, usually involving substantial penalties. As for finances, she would have money sent to her on a time frame agreed previously (weekly, monthly, quarterly etc...) that would hold protections to keep either party from getting at it alone unless that also been part of the initial bargain. She would get some spending money, but any money she had saved to help her long term would have to be released upon both our signitures, in a bank, to her. This guarantees a number of things.
1-That the money is there -she gets the statements and knows that I can deposit but never withdraw without her being there
2-It ensures that the master, in a rage or fit, cannot abscond with her cash and throw her out cold and
3-That when she collects the money they are both there, but she is in an american banking institutions, one of the safest most protected areas that can be found in this country. All he has to do is fulfill his side of the agreement by signing the withdrawal notice, happy slave girl collects suitcase full of cash and withdraws herself from the bank, waving goodbye to her prior Sir as she disapears into the california sunset wavaing sayanora as shew drifts down the sunbled sands-"Gawds alive, she was a gorgeous sight, carrying all my money over the border, never looked prettier I do believe either."

There are a few loopholes with this sort of plan, but they are to time consuming to go into here and are easily plugged. Suffice to say, with a minimum of planning, and (this is where it gets tough and icky team) the introduction of reality to our romantic and idealized dreams, this stuff shouldn't happen without the major X factor of people who "play" within BDSM whom cumulativally have all the  scruples of a crack fiend riding down his last run. Then those oh so nice BDSM folks get their butts kicked in and wallets looted, so sad, this mean cruel world we live in. In the world we walk in, out in the wicked wild, there are wolves, those who hunt and there are sheep, those who are to be protected but let us not forget that there are also snakes in the grass, that need to be stomped out as soon as possible, lest they spawn.

"Into the flood again, same old shit it was back then..."




KnightofMists -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/25/2007 12:09:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuvnHome4FemSub

Hello everyone.
I have a question for the dominants on here.
 
If you took on the responsibility of a slave, and a few months down the road you found another you wanted more...would you throw the first one out of your home with nothing, having her (or him) ending up in a shelter?
 
This has happened to a girl that I have been speaking to for a while, and I find it horrendous.
 
I expect to set up a savings account where money is put aside each month for whoever comes to me. Then should I not be here for her she can fall back on this. Also, if things change, she has this to take with her to begin again.
 
Just my opinion. I look forward to your responses.
 


Speaking too.... why do I get the feeling this is a person you are Chatting with online that you have never actually met?

I wonder...  How much truth exists to what she is telling you?  All.. Some... None?  Seems to me there will be something missing.... and often times what is missing sheds the situation in a different light.

I don't think it is particularly moral to just throw someone out on the street... however... there is more than just one story to the situation and sometimes what should happen is exactly what is happening. 

Personal Responsibility is such a difficult thing sometimes.  Especially when we are suffering and/or someone else is suffering negative consequences for our choices.  I never expect to be robbed ... but... I should appreciate that I increase that risk when I venture out in unsavory areas at night.  I should appreciate that I reduce that risk when I avoid such places. 

I think the same thing goes with relationships.  We never want a relationship to go south on us that we commit to and evolve ourselves into deeply.  But, Is it surprizing that such relationships do go south when we are reckless in jumping into the relationship in the first place?  Is it surprizing that alot of relationships do very well because they made the effort to understand and appreciate the people they wish to commit to?   Yeah bad things happen to good people.... sometimes we did alot of the right things and still a bad thing happened.  However, It is not that common of an event.... rather like winning the lottery.. only it is just not a good thing.  I find it all too common that when bad things happen... there is a mutual responsibility that can be seen... even if we wish to deny it.  Those that deny it tend to repeat it.  Those that don't ... learn... and minimize their risks in the future.





ExSteelAgain -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/25/2007 2:11:38 AM)

Oh, that is a good point about how hard it is to kick someone out. I have written on here before about my experience with letting someone live in a vacation place I have in SC for free. To my surprise, the police informed me that the person had 30 days to leave even if no rent was being paid and you had to get papers to evict. Residency is established when they move in and they are like renters. Strange law, as I discovered, so be careful.




mons -> RE: Discarding a slave (1/25/2007 3:30:20 AM)

greetings

i think that the fmaily who did this to this woman are heartless and cold mean and use her for taking care of the kids bita not every story is a lie not every person is a liar. come out of this bubble and she what this lifstle is about i find that many stoires are true. i heard this one then once and froma a good soucre one slave when to live with a coulple and the wife hated her so much she did not want her in the home . there will be time for all of us dominant and submissive where someone may use us and do not think your postion is so safe someone with something you make not have could come and take you master aways so i think it is safe to say never make fun of another you have not ideal what is in store for you it is just not good to doubt all who have a bad time trust me on this


mons




Squeakers -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/25/2007 4:41:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lucreziaborgia

What the f*ck is a slave supposed to do?

all the time:

where are the "real" slaves. why won't she submit. submit bitch or you are a fake. Kneel...

"property of.... soandsomasteroftheuniverse"  I worship Mistress Satana and will do anything for Her! "let's play!"

vs.

"grow up!"  be responsible - hold out on the bastards!"  Take no shit from anybody.. if it is a hard limit for you. Tell master to go blow himself.  "I do whatever I want, all the time, and cry when I have to make the bed- cause i'm no doormat!"  See ya!

Anyone see the hypocrisy?


I don't see any here.   These are pretty extreme.   I wouldn't kneel for just anyone and if I did kneel for him I wouldn't tell him to go 'blow himself'.   I think the real problem is people are again so freaking desperate to be in any sort of relationship that they allow themselves to be put into situtations that are not so great.   Be responsible is GREAT advice.




Kana -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/25/2007 10:39:11 AM)

The twist on an old joke:
Q:How do you know when two BDSM people are on a second date?
A:There is a moving van in the driveway

I agree that far too many run into things blindly without taking into acount far to many variables. The end result is scenerios such as the one under discussion. These things should be hammered out in advance. To me thats all part of being a responsible dominant.

How can I master anyone else if I haven't mastered myself?




MissyRane -> RE: Kicking a slave out of your home with nothing at all... (1/25/2007 10:48:43 AM)

(fast reply) Attention freak.. that's allI have to say[8|]




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