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You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/2/2005 10:50:55 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		How does someone train to become a pro sub, What kind of processes. What keeps someone from just saying I'm a pro I want money to submit. Aside from someone's common sense.
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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/2/2005 10:51:38 PM   
temptation


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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/2/2005 10:57:01 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		grins of course there is such a thing, it's just not as rampent as pro D's

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/2/2005 11:58:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		A former slave of mine works as a pro-sub, and being young and pretty and a genuine pain slut she can just about write her own ticket, although there are not a lot who can afford her. The manager of the salon she works in was over the moon to get a genuine sub - most of the so-called pro-subs are switches or Dominas who do it for the money only, or even straight prostitutes who are getting too old for the straight trade. Every minor detail is negotiated, and she charges $100 per stroke with the cane on top of the base fee and any other extras she negotiates. She can earn up to $1000 for an hour session, and tells me that the vast majority of her clients are pussycats. Then again, occasionally she gets a brute, so she earns her money. But she doesn't work very often at those rates, and has to take gigs as wench for the Dominas, which pays very little, and is basically straight sex. Often she will sit all day for one wenchie gig, or even nothing. The salon takes a percentage of the base fee only, the rest is hers, and the one she works for is very safe, very careful of its girls, and has an excellent reputation.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 12:29:02 AM   
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What stops many is fear. Being a pro sub can be a dangerous thing. When you visit a pro, there isn't the emotional attachment and concern to keep the sub healthy; you have to rely upon their honor. Moreover, the person may feel they paid, so they can do as they please.

If you're interested in becoming a pro sub, contact your local dungeon that has Domme or Dom working out of it (yes, there are pro Dom too..) and ask what they would require of you to work there. This is one of the places that having less experience might be good, as long as you're willing to carry out the service contracted.

Do not try being a prosub on your own. Do not do it without protection of a club or establishment. There are too many people out there who aren't SS&C. You really don't want to be the feature story on the 11:00 News

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 2:18:57 AM   
FelinePersuasion


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too many people out there who aren't SS&C. You really don't want to be the feature story on the



Not that way I don't. I don't think we have bdsm clubs here but we sure do in sanfransico.

Thank you both very much for the replies I would make mine more in depth but it's 2:2o am an I am a lil loopy cause I needa go to bed.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 7:18:40 AM   
phoenix52


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Status: offline 		i saw a pro sub years ago on "Real Sex".... i was so jealous.

Unfortunately the only dungeon we have in my area has a strict no play for pay policy, so i am out of luck. The idea of doing it on my own is just out of the question.... i have heard enough horror stories, don't need to be part of one.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 7:32:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		From what I've gatherd from the term "pro" means that they give there services for a fee. Pro Dominants will charge to put you in bondage, spank you, and such. As goes the phrase "Will Flog for Food."
Pro Submissives will be willing to submit to X amount for a price.

Pro means they are good enough to recive money because it's worth it and want to do it as a job/career. Just like a massage therapist.

I myself find it hard to belive that ppl acctually want to pay for this when there are so many willing to do it for free. Your Submission for My Domminance. Sounds like a fair trade for me without having to pay for it. And if Sex occurs, then neither of us have to worry about being deamed a prostitute.


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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 12:28:49 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		You'd be suprised who'd pay for what. there's a lot of deseprate people who can't find this stuff any other way. I knew someone who all he did was whine about how fat he is how the woman don't like him how he couldn't get laid for his life. he should shoot himself blah blah blah, yes it was a real life aquantince till he pulled the suicide cry thing on me.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 1:04:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I woke up this morning.... and said to myself..... " I think I shal now be a Pro Dom form this day forth"


...........and on the eighth day...... it was done. And it was good


There are Pro subs, they are called "trainers". Personaly I just play some Iron Maiden \ or (insert any 1980 metal hair band that screams and wails) at full volume and whip a baloon untill I cum........


consider it money well spent !

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 1:13:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		it is a fantasy of mine to become a pro. But like most fantasies, has taken on mythalogical proportions that will never be realised.
Memoirs of a Geisha got me started on this fantasy. I dont want to just do it, i want to learn it, from the bottom all the way to the top. Every miniscule lesson, done to perfection before moving to the next level. So that eventually, my skills would be a natural extension of myself. Fluid and natural, beautiful!
just a fantasy, not related to this topic, sorry bout that, ill go back to me morning coffee now and let you get on with it.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 1:21:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

How does someone train to become a pro sub, What kind of processes. What keeps someone from just saying I'm a pro I want money to submit. Aside from someone's common sense.


An interesting comment made to me once by a pro-domme who used to work as a pro-switch, was that pro-subbing was ultimately unrewarding because she had to constantly show the guy what to do.

Learning how to pro-sub involves being able to coach the guy in how to dom.

Japanese Dungeons have many pro-subs and that can be a good place to learn if you can handle the travel and foreign language.




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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 3:16:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		This isn't to take a position against anyone elses kinks, just to state my own thoughts.

If I had to pay a woman to be my submissive/play partner/etc I would feel the act to be a bit hollow. I would think of it as a hairdresser. She might love cutting hair, but she wouldn't be cutting -mine- if I didn't pay her to. Then again, I dated a girl who cut hair for a living and never had to pay her for it.

As for the fantasy of being a 'full service' escort specializing in kinky activities, you could always as your current Dom (or some friends) to arrange something with a close friend of theirs that you don't know. Play it from start to finish as a complete roleplay - then afterwards the two of you can take the money he 'paid' and have a nice dinner with him or something.

Stephan

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 3:53:23 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		Voul of course it'd be kinda hollow if ya had to pay for it grins I didn't ask that, I asked about te technical aspects but opnions are good too.

Thank you every one for responding. I guess that's true about having to train the guys. I bought the book memoirs of a geisha but I havn't read it yet.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 3:55:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am generally not apprehensive about posting, but I did have to debate if I wanted to or not on this, but I cannot believe I am the only one thinking this? Why would you want to? I have to think the whole concept of the lifestyle is circumvented by Pro anythings..in my humble opinion. Wouldn't the four cornerstones; Trust, Honesty, Communication and Respect, all be missing from a Pro scene. Perhaps I am missing the point..hmmm. (slips quietly away from his soapbox)


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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 4:22:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

How does someone train to become a pro sub, What kind of processes. What keeps someone from just saying I'm a pro I want money to submit. Aside from someone's common sense.


I have a friend who is a prosub. She didn't "train" to do it....it's what she enjoys and she's able to make a living doing it. She works out of a professional dungeon, so she doesn't deal with the risks of going off somewhere alone with a stranger. So, she basically did what you said - decided one day to do the pro gig, said so, and started charging money for scenes. A little more complicated working out the details with the dungeon owner, etc, but not much.

From what she's told me, mostly it's just guys who want to spank her, or occasionally tie her up. They sneak away from the office for a couple of hours and indulge in fantasies taht they can't realize with their spouses. She has a couple of clients that are heavier players, but they pay a lot more too (she's gotten tips as high as $1000!). Generally, if they're going to leave marks they pay more, because that impacts her ability to work with other clients (many OTK spankers would freak about the sight of welts/bruises).

She's not getting rich doing it, but she's surviving and only has to work a few hours/week to make what I slave away for. It's not predictable though.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 5:40:45 PM   
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How does someone train to become a pro sub, What kind of processes. What keeps someone from just saying I'm a pro I want money to submit. Aside from someone's common sense


I'd say the same thing that keeps someone from saying I'm a pro Domme and I want money to Dom. Nothing. I don't think there's a lodge that legitimizes you...I don't think there's Pro Kink Finishing School. I think it's probably as market driven and any other profession.

If there's a demand for professional subs (as there is in larger cities with public dungeon facililities) there will be pro-subs. I think that more often than not, they are people who are connected with some branch of WIIWD, probably people who fall into the SM catagory, who aren't part of the D/s subculture. I would think that the money would be good and, like with Pro Dommes, there would be a natural clientele.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 6:39:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I can interject something here, I noticed the subject of Pro before a Domm'mes name implies they are in for the money, because they are that good--to be able to charge. On the other hand, I have used this "Pro" to imply skill, and knowledge. Nobody has ever asked me what my "Tribute" would be, and I wouldn't accept one if offered. But, I am now truly in a quandry not knowing how many just take for granted I ask for a tribute? There is a big difference in doing something you have done for years, and have become good at it and injoy the sensual nature of it; rather than trying to make a buck!
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How does someone train to become a pro sub, What kind of processes. What keeps someone from just saying I'm a pro I want money to submit. Aside from someone's common sense


I'd say the same thing that keeps someone from saying I'm a pro Domme and I want money to Dom. Nothing. I don't think there's a lodge that legitimizes you...I don't think there's Pro Kink Finishing School. I think it's probably as market driven and any other profession.

If there's a demand for professional subs (as there is in larger cities with public dungeon facililities) there will be pro-subs. I think that more often than not, they are people who are connected with some branch of WIIWD, probably people who fall into the SM catagory, who aren't part of the D/s subculture. I would think that the money would be good and, like with Pro Dommes, there would be a natural clientele.

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 6:47:22 PM   
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I think she does munches/teaching, and can probably answer your questions.
I would imagine you'd need references from teachers/mentors to be hired as pro by a person or for an event. M

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RE: You always hear about pro domme's how about pro subs - 3/3/2005 8:42:47 PM   
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i call myself,..pro slave,..not to ''make'' money but the fact it cost me $50,000 for my training under a pro domme. i feel i paid for it, i earned it.
so yes, there is no such thing as emotional ties as yet. but then, i have not found any domme anywhere in the continental usa that wants an old man of 51 for a permanent slave. they all want those 20 something young boys.
and
the fact i am not by any means sexual. nor do i do play.

what do i do?
i am thus far,.......only........domestics service servant.
i serve merely to serve to be completely owned.
but that has yet to happen. i replied to an ad from 'a' domme at collarme and she said i insulted her because i said i need someone woman enough to handle me.
evidently she aint it.....!!!!!!
i have yet to find any domme anywhere that handle a full grown man that does not ask for rewards,...or sex......or play.....or romance......

no one........so i stay to myself and call myself pro slave.......i feel i am pro enough,..i can handle anyone's house and yards all alone w/o supervision,......and serve a mistress too.
brag?......no......fact.......i did it for 15 months.......and paid $50k for it.
hate me.......luv me.......be indifferent.........but it is just my feelings.

but its 4 cents in here....
and if i upset anyone.........i DO apologize. sincerely.

thank you
outlaw

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