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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 8:59:06 PM   
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Substantiate and support your last claim of a fluid gob of parts getting around the yellow non-damaged area and making a hole in the ring 3 wall!

Look at the legend next to the yellow marker, RO. The yellow marked pillars are marked as such because they are damaged.


rule here is how it would have to look to make that exit wound:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/asce-illus-4.gif

Here shows the damage disconnect
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/asce-illus-3.gif

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 9:31:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, RO. The wall cannot have been damaged by solid objects, as the columns were in the way. So the wall must have been damaged by a non-solid force, such as compressed air or debris filled air with a huge momentum. There is no evidence whatever that the wall was damaged by any other means. Have you ever watched the motes of dust in the air when illuminated by a ray of sunshine? Do those motes need to go through your fingers to get to the other side of them? No, they swirl around them and between them.
 
You may claim that the wall was taken down by the seven dwarves armed with pick-axes out of Snow-white and the seven dwarves, but you do not have a pick-axe to show for it.
 
You have no case. There is not a raccoon in that tree.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 12:43:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fella's, I have been reading intently through this thread as I find the 9/11 attacks to be a whole lot more thanwhat has been lead to believe. Although I have to admit to not grasping some of the stuff posted, the majority has been pretty good so far and has been atleast entertaining to read. As for my own input I'm working on getting what I have together along with where I got my information and how I came to my conclusions ( that way I avoid the rehash lol ) but I hope you all continue to debate your theories and why you believe what you believe ( that way when I get all of my stuff together I have somewhere to post it this time ) As I posted in another thread I wonder if any of you have seen the loose change video? There was a LOT of information in there and they did support the info with where they got it from.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 2:42:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, noticed that you have been away for a long time.
 
Please keep in mind that this thread, some deviations notwithstanding, is about the Pentagon crash. So if your text is not pertinent to the Pentagon solely, perhaps it would be more suitable to start a new thread.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 7:33:33 AM   
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Fella's, I have been reading intently through this thread as I find the 9/11 attacks to be a whole lot more thanwhat has been lead to believe. Although I have to admit to not grasping some of the stuff posted, the majority has been pretty good so far and has been atleast entertaining to read. As for my own input I'm working on getting what I have together along with where I got my information and how I came to my conclusions ( that way I avoid the rehash lol ) but I hope you all continue to debate your theories and why you believe what you believe ( that way when I get all of my stuff together I have somewhere to post it this time ) As I posted in another thread I wonder if any of you have seen the loose change video? There was a LOT of information in there and they did support the info with where they got it from.


Oh sure!  That one and alex jones, and there is one that aired in several countries on their national tv circiuts that is called in plane view but was NEVER shown here in the usa on any of our stations.   The only one shown here was parts of loose chainge that unfortunately has a few questionable areas in it. The majority of the rest of the world knows it was fraud and high treason by the bush admin to pull off a false flag and a pretext to war, but here in the usa you have a large group who rather than objectively look at the evidence do not want to believe it or simply cannot believe it whatever the case and site pm magazine as a peer reviewed source that was written by meigs and chertoff who's cousin got a nice promotion in none other than homeland security immediately after release the propaganda disinformation articles.  Certain people here just love to wave them ole flags while turning a blind eye than face up to reality imo/

i think however with all the attention it is getting in combination with watching a mad man in office more and more people are slowly gettin g the picture and starting to realize whats really going down behind the scenes around here.

oh yeh if you want more google
alex jones or prison planet  alex has a huge library of literally everything the government pulled off in the last 100 years LOL
steven jones
kevin ryan
911truth.org
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6984011242196441931
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6984011242196441931
http://www.911review.com/coverup/oralhistories.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pn4ltRSTF8&mode=related&search=
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&geopolitics_and_9/11=iraq
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5506.htm
http://hometown.aol.com/govexposed/page22.html
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/911.htm
http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_24_02/America_Pearl_Harbored/america_pearl_harbored.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-481003634918233931&q=alex+jones&pl=true
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8585976043115686394&q=in+plane+site
http://911review.org/Wget/Killtown/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html
http://www.truthaboutax.com/site/1515517/page/658325

and the videos i have below in the footer
i think few people watch them before they comment on here but i have a huge library of evidence that people have posted, hundreds of videos and links.  you will find that everythign in bush physics defies the physics we have known for since its conception


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 7:56:19 AM   
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Hi, noticed that you have been away for a long time.
 
Please keep in mind that this thread, some deviations notwithstanding, is about the Pentagon crash. So if your text is not pertinent to the Pentagon solely, perhaps it would be more suitable to start a new thread.


right now i agree but the title is: Hold the true terrorists responsible

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 8:06:26 AM   
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No, RO. The wall cannot have been damaged by solid objects, as the columns were in the way. So the wall must have been damaged by a non-solid force, such as compressed air or debris filled air with a huge momentum. There is no evidence whatever that the wall was damaged by any other means. Have you ever watched the motes of dust in the air when illuminated by a ray of sunshine? Do those motes need to go through your fingers to get to the other side of them? No, they swirl around them and between them.
 
You may claim that the wall was taken down by the seven dwarves armed with pick-axes out of Snow-white and the seven dwarves, but you do not have a pick-axe to show for it.
 
You have no case. There is not a raccoon in that tree.


Well you have a theory and you said you were not an engineer, so why dont you do what i do when i have a need to verify if my theories in physics or whatever are on target or not and call up the university , or better yet print out that original asce damage map, take it into the university and start knocking on doors.   i have never been turned away yet and some good hearted professor i am sure will go over it with you, then come back and tell us what the results were.

i am sure you will find that fluid with enough power to blow a hole through the wall would also have taken out everything in its path exactly like a hurricane does.  


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 8:53:47 AM   
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i am sure you will find that fluid with enough power to blow a hole through the wall would also have taken out everything in its path exactly like a hurricane does.  


Ever noticed how an event, be it hurricane, tornado,explosion,whatever can demolish one place, and barely crack the windows nextdoor?

After all that is one of the oft cited justifications for Manhattan not being all it seemed, I am sure you have read many claims of two great big skyscrapers collapsing and not damaging a bulding the other side of the street.

Thats one of the things I love about such folks, they apply argument x in one instance then apply its exact opposite later on.

Spot the plane part 1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/50835579@N00/376968006/
Spot the plane part 2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/50835579@N00/376968005 Bet there are some virtually unscathed motors here towards the end of the damage trail as everything slows down
Spot the plane part 3 http://www.flickr.com/photos/50835579@N00/376963865 A ruggedized military transport meets a concrete column structure, and does not penetrate due to angle of impact - hey where is the tail, or any recognisable piece that shows what the aircraft was? Aircraft in question was built physically tougher than any civilian airliner, and was travelling much slower at impact
Spot the plane part 4 http://www.flickr.com/photos/50835579@N00/376968002 Close up of the same, with a wheel, I am sure there are many experts could say that looking at the wheel in the pic the aircraft is............ Or more likely there are experts who could say yes that wheel is the same as fitted to..........

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 9:07:19 AM   
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The problem i have is that there is a no damage, or techincally a very "small damage" zone between ring 2 and the outer wall of ring 3.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/asce-illus-2.gif


My main theory goes back to my post where I have read some of what the conspiracy theorists propose, including cruise missiles, jets shooting down airliners, explosive filled planes, fabricated dead people seen getting on the plane, etc., and I still have trouble with the idea that nobody has come forth and admitted being involved.  Boggles my imagination.

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Its very simple actually.

First if we keep in mind the manhattan project we know it can be done.

Next if there is enough at stake.

Imagine for a moment a government who has committed a crime of high treason.

Now we know that key people with certain associations mysteriously wind up committing suicide.

Now imagine a government who just passed the patriot act and can legally spy on anyone.

Simple political mathematics adds this up to make the following statement:

You can talk, but we are listening.

Would you talk?  i wouldnt.   If they can blow away presidents and get away with it they certainly can blow you away.

Repeal the patriot act and then watch the shit hit the fan!!!

i am sure you feel no one listened about global warming till it was to late, well i feel its the same situation here!


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 9:15:54 AM   
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i am sure you will find that fluid with enough power to blow a hole through the wall would also have taken out everything in its path exactly like a hurricane does.  


Ever noticed how an event, be it hurricane, tornado,explosion,whatever can demolish one place, and barely crack the windows nextdoor?


the only one i will buy into is hurricane as i said.  you are adding tornado and explosives which i did not say or buy into.  you are the one lumping everything together and using it erroneously not me.

For clarification i am referencing buy into as being correct with my analogy as i stated earlier.

i suggested he talk to a physics professor, do yo9 have an issue with that?

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 9:15:54 AM   
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If folks are really that convinced that big brother is watching every move, then why do they keep spouting so much anti-government/pro-conspiracy dross without getting arrested/dissappeared/suicided?

(I now have a wager here in the office as to which answers come back in which order, so dont let me down folks, there is a damn good night on the town riding on this)

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 9:23:26 AM   
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Query.
If folks are really that convinced that big brother is watching every move, then why do they keep spouting so much anti-government/pro-conspiracy dross without getting arrested/dissappeared/suicided?

(I now have a wager here in the office as to which answers come back in which order, so dont let me down folks, there is a damn good night on the town riding on this)


you assume the whole us is directly involved? 

i am a nobody jones, ryan are all nobodies, just pains in the asses in the case of jones, and i as well as 99.9999% of the us citezenry are not directly involved.  what do they give shit about people talking who they feel cannot "directly" hurt thrm?  i never witnessed anything nor did any of these other people claim it is a conspiracy.

are you implying that they do not have the power to spy on anyone here?   Whats your point?

The evidence has been removed, in wtc and in the murrah building and in the pentagon so they feel pretty comfy with the knowledge that in a trial they can beat any court case as long as there is no direct testimony against them.

It has worked successfully on other occasions they have no resaon to believe it wont work again.  The only people who die are the ones who get to close or blab.  and now they have the means to watch for anyone who might blab!

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 9:29:30 AM   
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Query.
If folks are really that convinced that big brother is watching every move, then why do they keep spouting so much anti-government/pro-conspiracy dross without getting arrested/dissappeared/suicided?

(I now have a wager here in the office as to which answers come back in which order, so dont let me down folks, there is a damn good night on the town riding on this)


Why bother with wholesale disappearances these days? Technology makes it so much easier.

Ever try to get to a protest when you're on the No-Fly list?

In the abstract sense, with the secret prisons, and deprivation of due process, who knows what reasons people are being held or executed for?







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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 9:56:11 AM   
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Query.
If folks are really that convinced that big brother is watching every move, then why do they keep spouting so much anti-government/pro-conspiracy dross without getting arrested/dissappeared/suicided?

(I now have a wager here in the office as to which answers come back in which order, so dont let me down folks, there is a damn good night on the town riding on this)


Why bother with wholesale disappearances these days? Technology makes it so much easier.

Ever try to get to a protest when you're on the No-Fly list?

In the abstract sense, with the secret prisons, and deprivation of due process, who knows what reasons people are being held or executed for?



Exactly! 

Side bet says he loses his bet!


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 10:03:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now seriously folks, all those websites out there pointing out "the truth" of 9-11, the illuminati, skull & bones, roswell, alien-technology and every other damn theory and not one person arrested, charged, imprisoned or whatever, before anyone throws no-fly and virtual house arrest at me, they do not stop folks spouting "the truth" but simply reinforce the point that the complainant is supposedly making. Jeez if I had the power to engineer events such as 9/11 making a few generally insignificant/inconvenient web authors clam up would be an easy task that could be done whilst having that first piss of the morning.


Andy (?) once said everybody is entitled to their 15 mins of fame, come in Steve Jones, Michael Moore, Webfairy et al, your time is up.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 10:11:36 AM   
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The only people who die are the ones who get to close or blab.  and now they have the means to watch for anyone who might blab!


I really have to point out a major inconsistency in your logical process here.



You claim to be able to prove government complicity in any number of things, unlawful taxes, secret societies, terrorist events etc.

You constantly talk about such things in public and publish some of your supporting evidence.

I would assume you make these claims because you believe them to be true and accurate.









You aint disappeared yet, so by your own argument you cannot be too close to "the truth"

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 10:24:44 AM   
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Now seriously folks, all those websites out there pointing out "the truth" of 9-11, the illuminati, skull & bones, roswell, alien-technology and every other damn theory and not one person arrested, charged, imprisoned or whatever, before anyone throws no-fly and virtual house arrest at me, they do not stop folks spouting "the truth" but simply reinforce the point that the complainant is supposedly making. Jeez if I had the power to engineer events such as 9/11 making a few generally insignificant/inconvenient web authors clam up would be an easy task that could be done whilst having that first piss of the morning.


Andy (?) once said everybody is entitled to their 15 mins of fame, come in Steve Jones, Michael Moore, Webfairy et al, your time is up.


lots of people with lots of theories.  i see errors on the conspiracy side of the arguement as well.  Some are laughable frankly.  However on the governement side, who are all supposed experts, is even more laughable. 

You are correct however that the fame will be only 15 minutes if they can pull this off in its entirity.  If they cant then monkey and cronies will have their 15 minutes of fame.   It all hinges on keeping that patriot act in place and the ability to continue to block furhter investigations and or hearings and hearings that are not geared for justice but coverup.  monkey feels he is above testifying after all!

What amazes me is that they tell us what they are going to do to us and people cannot see the writing on the wall as to what NWO really means and what it really entails.  i mean even some self proclaimed highly intelligent people too!

Like the UK woman who says she would gladly give her up her liberty for freedom and security!  Like DUH! 

This is the mentality and education level of the average voting populace!  Hell i should get into politics, and go on the dark side, good money in it anyway, especially now there is such a strong power structure in place that they can do what they want.  (almost)


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 10:28:14 AM   
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The only people who die are the ones who get to close or blab.  and now they have the means to watch for anyone who might blab!


I really have to point out a major inconsistency in your logical process here.

You claim to be able to prove government complicity in any number of things, unlawful taxes, secret societies, terrorist events etc.

You constantly talk about such things in public and publish some of your supporting evidence.

I would assume you make these claims because you believe them to be true and accurate.

You aint disappeared yet, so by your own argument you cannot be too close to "the truth"



if you care to look back at what i said you will see that i said "directly" hurting them.  It has nothing to do with getting close to the truth in the sense you say, it has everythign to do with hurting the perps.   i do wish you would stop equivocating what i say to misdirect my points.  Its getting tiring.

Hows that bet coming along btw?


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 10:32:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why would the patriot act have anything to do with it.  If they are willing to illegally do an event like 911 they don't need a law to put a bullet in your head.  you cite the kenedy assasination as evidence of their nefarious plans, yet that was long before the patriot act.  If it was repealed it would have no effect on this stuff at all.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/2/2007 10:43:50 AM   
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Why would the patriot act have anything to do with it.  If they are willing to illegally do an event like 911 they don't need a law to put a bullet in your head.  you cite the kenedy assasination as evidence of their nefarious plans, yet that was long before the patriot act.  If it was repealed it would have no effect on this stuff at all.


http://cghs.dadeschools.net/holocaust/enabling.htm
http://www.iits.dircon.co.uk/newalliance/ccb.htm
http://1933key.com/news/patriot_act_vs_enabling_act.html




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