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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 4:21:34 PM   
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Substantiate and support your last claim of a fluid gob of parts getting around the yellow non-damaged area and making a hole in the ring 3 wall!

Look at the legend next to the yellow marker, RO. The yellow marked pillars are marked as such because they are damaged.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 4:38:05 PM   
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I referenced mach 4 in orbit around a different planet. Jupiter I think but really too lazy to go back and search it out.


Geeezus dude.

Mach 4 is based on the speed of sound in air.   Since i and i am sure many others happen to know that mach 4 is roughly 4400 feet per second at sea level, and since you were referencing speed the logical conclusion is that you were referring to a speed NOT the media it was travelling in.

Since something can easily travel at that speed in space its no wonder that no one could read your mind and realize you were reffering to the media it was travelling in rather than limiting to to speed as you referenced.







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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 4:41:10 PM   
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Substantiate and support your last claim of a fluid gob of parts getting around the yellow non-damaged area and making a hole in the ring 3 wall!

Look at the legend next to the yellow marker, RO. The yellow marked pillars are marked as such because they are damaged.


Righr insignificant damage, that is my point.  i tend to call it no damage i am aware of that, as insignificant damage does nothting to impair the integrity of the structure whereas the damage marked in red blew the structure away at those points. etc.


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 4:50:35 PM   
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Transparently!

As usual you are avoiding the question!

Mr Kettle has requested that Mr Pot produce just one picture that could reasonably be expected show missing aft sections of the aircraft. At the risk of sounding like a personal attack rather than the issues at hand.
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Substantiate and support your last claim of a fluid gob of parts getting around the yellow non-damaged area and making a hole in the ring 3 wall!

Substantiate newtons 1st law? Forget it pal, its called law rather than theory for a good reason
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That hole in ring 3 wall is not possible without a previously connected red dot as can be easily seen demonstrated throughout the expected damage zone.   Damage has to be connectable to previous damage of greater magnitude as the deceleration occurs.  Decelerating objects just do not magically speed up and like the jfk assassination zig zag through objects while doing no damage so it can accelerate again to go through the wall. 

Research liquid dynamics.

You are apparently making the mistake of assuming a solid mass, rather than a group of objects that are actually behaving as a fluid.

By ring three there was no aircraft as such, just an awful lot of debris flying in formation. Heck there would have been no aircraft after the first few columns.


Show where i made a mistake or are we going to talk next about the price of rice in china?

Fine if you want to talk about bb's, bombs, cars, the price of rice in china, but then conclude it by:  SHOWING YOUR WORK supporting your FLUID PARTS AND OFFICE EQUIPMENT THEORY based on the drawings the gov made of the damage assessment as i did!  


Ok professor sleazy, an airplane is not bb's, or bombs, cars, or rice, so class is in session and we are waiting for a direct answer not diversions and explantions that in the end give no answer at all or answer by meaningless inuendo. frankly.

Having been pretty damn well mangled in the numerous collisions THERE IS NO AIRCRAFT! Just an awful lot of by now quite small bits of crap flying along together along the path of least resistance in vague formation (and actually depending on the timing now quite possibly being accelerated by the air/fuel explosion and as such getting an increase in their energy.
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In case you forgot:
Substantiate and support your last claim of a fluid gob of parts getting around the yellow non-damaged area and making a hole in the ring 3 wall!



http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/asce-illus-2.gif 
hmmm, two columns closest to exit wound appear to be marked as damaged

Other than that get me a cray or six, the right kind of engineers and programmers, the complete specs for each individual column, aircraft component and office item, or failing that we can just accept the basic principles of physics........... or not as the case may be


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 4:58:10 PM   
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Please refrain from such silly tests in future, sleazy, for when reading it I thought less of you.


And I thought much less of all the readers that either

a) were only reading the parts of my posts they thought they could attack
b) didnt have the balls to stand up and say "hey that cant be right"

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Mach 4 is based on the speed of sound in air.

Wrong! Note the use of the word fluid, source as usual good ole wikpedia

Mach number (Ma) (pronounced: [mæk], [mɑːk]) is a measure of relative speed. It is defined as the speed of an object relative to a fluid medium, divided by the speed of sound in that medium:
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Since something can easily travel at that speed in space its no wonder that no one could read your mind and realize you were reffering to the media it was travelling in rather than limiting to to speed as you referenced.

How can something travel at a speed that cannot be enumerated? Or is this similar to no impairment to funtion = no damage



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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 5:28:46 PM   
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sleazy, I am not an American, so I am not in any kind of contest with you. If anyone spouts gibberish I simply ignore it. It is a waste of effort to converse with people who spout gibberish.
 
RO, you are barking under a tree with no raccoon in it. sleazy and I are saying more or less the same thing. Why make the issue more complicated than it needs to be? If you want complication, you might refer to the Pentagon witness who said that he smelled cordite. Myself, I am inclined to think that he suffers from a Pavlov reflex: probably smells cordite after every explosion.
 
There was a plane and the plane caused the damage as far as I am concerned, whether directly or indirectly. sleazy is also correct about the plane being reduced to little bits: they were blown out even up to the highway.
 
There are nevertheless plenty of other trees to bark under with legitimate raccoons in them, like: who were the crew in that C130 cargo plane that accompanied the Boeing 737? If I recall correctly the plane in Pennsylvania also had a plane associated with it, and one of the planes in New York had a near collision with another commercial plane. I am rather curious about those pairs of planes.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 5:47:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The problem i have is that there is a no damage, or techincally a very "small damage" zone between ring 2 and the outer wall of ring 3.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/asce-illus-2.gif



Modern automobiles are built with a "unibody" design.  In this design, the force of impact is transmitted over the entire car, and inside the walls of the car are numerous air-filled baffles.  The impact hits the first layer of the car, loses some energy transmitted over the rest of the body, lose some energy over the baffles, loses some energy with the air filled rooms fighting the compression forces.

Take a building.  You have an outer wall.  You have room walls (sorta like baffles).  You have air.  Desks.  Things.  People.  Then you have an inner wall.  Perhaps the plane expended enough energy blasting through the outer wall and all the parts to not have enough force to extensively damage the inner wall.

Regarding the posting sniping at my physics analysis.  I am a longshoreman who gets kicked in the head at my other job.  I have an understanding of how some things operate, but not to the level where I am going to check somebody else's posts for accuracy.

My main theory goes back to my post where I have read some of what the conspiracy theorists propose, including cruise missiles, jets shooting down airliners, explosive filled planes, fabricated dead people seen getting on the plane, etc., and I still have trouble with the idea that nobody has come forth and admitted being involved.  Boggles my imagination.

I think there was a conspiracy.  The conspiracy involved Monkeyboy and his ilk fed-exing box cutters to Bin Laden.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 6:14:34 PM   
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I think there was a conspiracy.  The conspiracy involved Monkeyboy and his ilk fed-exing box cutters to Bin Laden.


Very loosely, that is about the only argument for government complicity that meets least hypothesis :)

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 6:20:54 PM   
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I think there was a conspiracy. The conspiracy involved Monkeyboy and his ilk fed-exing box cutters to Bin Laden.


Very loosely, that is about the only argument for government complicity that meets least hypothesis :)


I still say it's all just due to Condi Rice being an incompetent fool.

Letting her keep that NSA gig was all the conspiracy which was necessary.



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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:14:30 PM   
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Mach 4 is based on the speed of sound in air.  



Mach 1 is the speed of sound in earth's atmosphere at the barometric pressure at sea level.

Mach 4 would be 4 times that amount.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:17:50 PM   
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http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/asce-illus-2.gif

hmmm, two columns closest to exit wound appear to be marked as damaged

Other than that get me a cray or six, the right kind of engineers and programmers, the complete specs for each individual column, aircraft component and office item, or failing that we can just accept the basic principles of physics........... or not as the case may be 


well as a trained expert observer that you claim to be, surely you do not need a cray or an engineer to make such a simple observation as to describe what level of damage is observed closeest the exit wound?  Do you?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/asce-illus-3.gif .

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:22:16 PM   
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Mach 4 is based on the speed of sound in air.  



Mach 1 is the speed of sound in earth's atmosphere at the barometric pressure at sea level.

Mach 4 would be 4 times that amount.

Sinergy


agreed its at sea level its 4400 ft per second give or take some change


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:24:02 PM   
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Mach number (Ma) (pronounced: [mæk], [mɑːk]) is a measure of relative speed. It is defined as the speed of an object relative to a fluid medium, divided by the speed of sound in that medium:



Fair enough, what exactly is the medium in the vacuum of space?

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:25:56 PM   
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I think there was a conspiracy.  The conspiracy involved Monkeyboy and his ilk fed-exing box cutters to Bin Laden.


Very loosely, that is about the only argument for government complicity that meets least hypothesis :)


oh yeh well we dig a plane out of the ocean and bring it back to analyse and investigate it to death to figure out what happened to it, and when it comes to the wtc and pentagon we ship off and destroy all the evidence.

conclusion the plane was not a conspiracy the wtc and pent was!


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:27:32 PM   
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Mach number (Ma) (pronounced: [mæk], [mɑːk]) is a measure of relative speed. It is defined as the speed of an object relative to a fluid medium, divided by the speed of sound in that medium:



Fair enough, what exactly is the medium in the vacuum of space?

Sinergy


sound cannot travel in a vacuum as it is based on pressure  well variation of pressure

the fluid medium is virtually invariably air when using the term "mach"  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound#Mach_number

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:34:37 PM   
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Mach number (Ma) (pronounced: [mæk], [mɑːk]) is a measure of relative speed. It is defined as the speed of an object relative to a fluid medium, divided by the speed of sound in that medium:



Fair enough, what exactly is the medium in the vacuum of space?

Sinergy


sound cannot travel in a vacuum as it is based on pressure  well variation of pressure



I am aware of that.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:42:42 PM   
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Is there really sound in space?
Actually...yes!!
What is sound? It is a pressure wave. So long as you have some kind of gaseous medium, you will have the possibility of forming pressure waves in it by 'shocking' it in some way.
In space, the interplanetary medium is a very dilute gas at a density of about 10 atoms per cubic centimeter, and the speed of sound in this medium is about 300 kilometers/sec. Typical disturbances due to solar storms and 'magneto-sonic turbulence' at the earth's magnetopause have scales of hundreds of kilometers, so the acoustic wavelengths are enormous. Human ears would never hear them, but we can technologically detect these pressure changes and play them back for our ears to hear by electronically compressing them.    http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/ask/a11650.html

Also I would imagine a living ear would not last very long exposed to outer space conditions

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:44:46 PM   
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Please refrain from such silly tests in future, sleazy, for when reading it I thought less of you.


And I thought much less of all the readers that either

a) were only reading the parts of my posts they thought they could attack
b) didnt have the balls to stand up and say "hey that cant be right"

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Mach 4 is based on the speed of sound in air.

Wrong! Note the use of the word fluid, source as usual good ole wikpedia

Mach number (Ma) (pronounced: [mæk], [mɑːk]) is a measure of relative speed. It is defined as the speed of an object relative to a fluid medium, divided by the speed of sound in that medium:
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Since something can easily travel at that speed in space its no wonder that no one could read your mind and realize you were reffering to the media it was travelling in rather than limiting to to speed as you referenced.

How can something travel at a speed that cannot be enumerated? Or is this similar to no impairment to funtion = no damage


now you truly are making me laugh!  thanks i needed that


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 7:50:36 PM   
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Is there really sound in space?
Actually...yes!!
What is sound? It is a pressure wave.


thats funny but rue!   space is not a perfect vacuum but its often thought to be as there is no possible way to talk for instance, however since mach 1 is based on pressure a plane would probly have to go about 4400 ft per picosecond to reach mach 4 in space LOL  thats not a real calculation just having fun with this


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/1/2007 8:07:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
I think there was a conspiracy. The conspiracy involved Monkeyboy and his ilk fed-exing box cutters to Bin Laden.


Very loosely, that is about the only argument for government complicity that meets least hypothesis :)


I still say it's all just due to Condi Rice being an incompetent fool.

Letting her keep that NSA gig was all the conspiracy which was necessary.




its about the destruction of crime scene evidence
its about blocking investigations
its about fraudulent reports
its about media payoffs
its about missing money
and on and on and on
shit we are worse than many of these 3rd world governments


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