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sleazy -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 10:50:45 AM)
So if i run a society that requires secrecy to put its evil plans in action, a million screaming "the truth" and exposing how evil I am wont hurt me? Tell me you are taking the urine please. If secrecy is not a requirement to fulfill such dastardly agendas why didnt skull & bones, the illuminati or whatever take out full page ads in the times? Hell man, have you looked out there, hit any website you like that parrots your opinion and I bet it more than likely it is a copy of a copy of a copy from elsewhere, there is barely an original thought around. Just a bunch of people taking a bit from here, a bit from there, mix a little to obscure the source and make it look original. So me being the evil genius with unlimited recources would have killed the damn "truth" at source, hack it out by its roots. You, the great unwashed masses would never have heard of skull & bones, or roswell, or whatever the hell else is the hobby horse of the moment, because much like keeping a tidy garden weed control is best done quick and ruthlessly. Rather than trying to stuff the cat back in the bag, just make sure it never even puts a paw in daylight. Look at how Stalin dealt with those who disagreed with him, or pointed out facts that made him uncomfortable, and within the USSR the masses had no clue whatsoever.

luckydog1 -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 10:54:53 AM)
so you are afraid to answer?

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 10:57:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 so you are afraid to answer? Oh sorry, maybe you didnt see the reference links i posted to you: http://cghs.dadeschools.net/holocaust/enabling.htm http://www.iits.dircon.co.uk/newalliance/ccb.htm http://1933key.com/news/patriot_act_vs_enabling_act.html

luckydog1 -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 11:01:17 AM)
yet none of those sites are relevant to what I said, at all you have given us numerous examples of stuff you claimn "they" did before the PA was passed, or even conceived. therefore repealing it would make no difference at all. at least in the world of reality.

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 11:10:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy So if i run a society that requires secrecy to put its evil plans in action, a million screaming "the truth" and exposing how evil I am wont hurt me? Tell me you are taking the urine please. If secrecy is not a requirement to fulfill such dastardly agendas why didnt skull & bones, the illuminati or whatever take out full page ads in the times? Hell man, have you looked out there, hit any website you like that parrots your opinion and I bet it more than likely it is a copy of a copy of a copy from elsewhere, there is barely an original thought around. Just a bunch of people taking a bit from here, a bit from there, mix a little to obscure the source and make it look original. So me being the evil genius with unlimited recources would have killed the damn "truth" at source, hack it out by its roots. You, the great unwashed masses would never have heard of skull & bones, or roswell, or whatever the hell else is the hobby horse of the moment, because much like keeping a tidy garden weed control is best done quick and ruthlessly. Rather than trying to stuff the cat back in the bag, just make sure it never even puts a paw in daylight. Look at how Stalin dealt with those who disagreed with him, or pointed out facts that made him uncomfortable, and within the USSR the masses had no clue whatsoever. most people are terrified to scream the truth. Even more have no clue and just believe the government at face value. Only the patriots dare to walk that course. Most people are to concerend with whats in fornt of their noses like paying the bills rather than who is engineering their futures. Its very easy frankly to take over a country. Do you think people in power remain totally ignorant generation after generation? This has been going on for years, its nothing new. Did it ever occur to you that just possibly that they realized they can get people to come along willingly which will create a larger industrial base which in turn put more money in their pockets, rather than blowing it all to hell and having 1 guard for every living person on the planet? Did it ever occur to yo uthat is the only feasible way to do it on a large scale? Its being done right now, its under your nose, you simply do not see it because you are to close to it. Fargle summedit up quite well yo umay want to go back and review his post on it. Do you really believe that with enough money this cannot be done easily? Do you really believe that?

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 11:11:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 yet none of those sites are relevant to what I said, at all you have given us numerous examples of stuff you claimn "they" did before the PA was passed, or even conceived. therefore repealing it would make no difference at all. at least in the world of reality. it would at least make it illegal and in accordance with the constitution and those sites directly apply to the points i have been making unless you are making something different out of what i said

sleazy -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 11:26:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Its very easy frankly to take over a country. So how come all you "patriots" have not taken you country back? After all its easy! If its that easy why resort to all the dirty tricks you claim? Get a time machine, pop back and say "hey you there, fighting to kick those damn brits out of Maine, what you are doing is easy" (advice, take Kevlar underwear, those that have shed blood to take over a country may disagree with you) quote: Like the UK woman who says she would gladly give her up her liberty for freedom and security! Like DUH! In that case perhaps you could clarify........ quote: it would at least make it illegal and in accordance with the constitution Edit for formatting

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 11:59:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Its very easy frankly to take over a country. So how come all you "patriots" have not taken you country back? After all its easy! If its that easy why resort to all the dirty tricks you claim? Get a time machine, pop back and say "hey you there, fighting to kick those damn brits out of Maine, what you are doing is easy" (advice, take Kevlar underwear, those that have shed blood to take over a country may disagree with you) quote: Like the UK woman who says she would gladly give her up her liberty for freedom and security! Like DUH! In that case perhaps you could clarify........ quote: it would at least make it illegal and in accordance with the constitution Edit for formatting If you look at what i said i was not referring to patriots taking the country back. i was referring to the NWO You for whatever reason do not interpret what i say in context to what i say. as i said its really becoming annoying. quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Like the UK woman who says she would gladly give her up her liberty for freedom and security! Like DUH! It was a brit girl that alex jones interviewed regarding 7/7 if i remember right and he wanted to illustrate how ignorant people really are on the subject. i posted it a zillion times you mean you did not see it? i suppose you just wrote it off like most people do

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 12:33:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Its very easy frankly to take over a country. If you want to hear whats going on and what i am talking about up close and personal thanks to devilslilsis in her thread Revolution, watch the video she posted here from front to back and you will have a clearer understanding of whats going on. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=803621 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4656695505283910136

Reflectivesoul -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 12:34:12 PM)
Hiya Rule, yeah I took a break from the boards for a while I was dealing with a lot of stuff in my life and didnt have much time to be able to chat and such. I'm working on weeding out the WTC stuff since you asked for only Pentagon stuff, I'm running into issues with a lot of my links though, seems a lot of pics and eye witness reports have been pulled down or moved so thats been real fun pffft. One particular witness report was that while everyone was on the lawn of the Pentagon that they were trying to figure out what hit, an anon person in the crowd picked up a piece and said this was an American Airlines Jet, thus thats how folks started identifying it. As per sleazy's ( I think) theory of paying a bunch of people to give false witness accounts nah, all you need is one person in the middle of chaos to define the what's and bang you have a whole group of folks that cling to that and therefor use it in their definition of what happened. So the financial contribution to buying witnesses is slim at best. Also doesnt it strike anyone as odd that in several of the eye witness accounts the details dont add up, but amazingly enough the one thing that is " for sure" is that it was an American Airlines plane? Like for instance a Navy Pilot claimed that the plane crashed into the lawn of the Pentagon that it did not appear to impact the building, he watched the nose break apart and the wings fly forward, then lost the view as it engulfed into flames. Now if the plane hit the lawn why isnt there a HUGE damage path? ( I'll name the pilot and other folks I reference here when I get my notebook it isnt in here and I really dont feel like going to get it at the moment ) A 73 year old woman claims to have been able to read the numbers on the underside of the wing as it passed over her vehicle... This one strikes me as just not really buyable because with experience working in nursing homes, retirement homes, HHA ( home health aid) etc mostof the 73 year old folks I have met didnt have the best eye sight, couple that with the speed the plane was moving and other reports of only being able to make out the AA on the side of the plane I just dont see it as feasable that she read anything. There was another report that the plane flew smoothly no corrections, while another report says that the flaps were moving a lot and that the plane wasnt smooth at all, while still others cant decide which direction the plane was actually coming in at. Some say it came over 395, some say it followed Columbia Pike ( which I dont have a map of the area so I cant tell you exactly where either are in reference to eachother ) but some say it went right, some say it went left, some didnt say anything about turns at all.. but yet they knew exactly what plane it was... Not a real good add up to me... I'll be back later to post names and I'll also post a link to the site I got the witness reports off of as well, provided I can find that exact one again, if not the reports are the same on other pages as well ( I double checked em after I wrote em in my notebook just to make sure someone didnt doctor they're page to say what they wanted it too... ) <edited cause the trolls were playing with the keyboard again.. adding letters and putting all kinda bad typo's in there lol, cause we KNOW I wouldnt do such a thing heh lol >

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 12:43:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul I'm working on weeding out the WTC stuff since you asked for only Pentagon stuff, I'm running into issues with a lot of my links though, seems a lot of pics and eye witness reports have been pulled down or moved so thats been real fun pffft. i have been running into lots of trouble like that with the sites i had as well.... so now i save not only the link but all the contect as well, especially if it came from the media news reports, they are up for a little while then off they go never to be seen again!

Rule -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 1:11:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul I'm running into issues with a lot of my links though, seems a lot of pics and eye witness reports have been pulled down or moved so thats been real fun pffft. I have also experienced similar dead ends. In one case, concerning another matter entirely, the information was replaced by the picture of an animal: "fooled you!" it implicated. Edited to add: RO is wise to save the content of sites. I am lazy, so I usually do not do so myself, though. Anyone who is not lazy, please fill up your hard disk. quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul One particular witness report was that while everyone was on the lawn of the Pentagon that they were trying to figure out what hit, an anon person in the crowd picked up a piece and said this was an American Airlines Jet, thus thats how folks started identifying it. As per sleazy's ( I think) theory of paying a bunch of people to give false witness accounts nah, all you need is one person in the middle of chaos to define the what's and bang you have a whole group of folks that cling to that and therefor use it in their definition of what happened. So the financial contribution to buying witnesses is slim at best. Quite. I had noticed the same principle. quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul Also doesnt it strike anyone as odd that in several of the eye witness accounts the details dont add up, but amazingly enough the one thing that is " for sure" is that it was an American Airlines plane? Quite. I suspect that it happened too fast for some of them to actually witness the event, so they said what they were supposed to say and made up the rest. They may have been concentrating too much at the time on what happened in New York to pay attention to what they were supposed to pay attention too. quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul I'll be back later to post names I will be interested in the name of that pilot.

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 3:20:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul I'm running into issues with a lot of my links though, seems a lot of pics and eye witness reports have been pulled down or moved so thats been real fun pffft. I have also experienced similar dead ends. In one case, concerning another matter entirely, the information was replaced by the picture of an animal: "fooled you!" it implicated. Edited to add: RO is wise to save the content of sites. I am lazy, so I usually do not do so myself, though. Anyone who is not lazy, please fill up your hard disk. well 50 bucks buys you a 200 gig hd i think you could spend a lifetime tryingto fill it up with content lol

sleazy -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 3:22:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Quite. I suspect that it happened too fast for some of them to actually witness the event And thus "I thought I saw a 737" from one individual suddenly becomes gospel. Dozens of folks claim something like "large passenger jet" and lets face it the polished skin of AA is pretty distinctive (not to mention the big word american painted in nice bold letters along the hull) and just one says maybe a 737 and on that you base an entire theory despite several tons of hard evidence to the contrary? Eyewitnesses are human and fallible, or their testimony is irrefutable, you cant have it both ways folks.

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 3:24:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Quite. I suspect that it happened too fast for some of them to actually witness the event And thus "I thought I saw a 737" from one individual suddenly becomes gospel. Dozens of folks claim something like "large passenger jet" and lets face it the polished skin of AA is pretty distinctive (not to mention the big word american painted in nice bold letters along the hull) and just one says maybe a 737 and on that you base an entire theory despite several tons of hard evidence to the contrary? Eyewitnesses are human and fallible, or their testimony is irrefutable, you cant have it both ways folks. links? pics? where is all this evidence?

Rule -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 4:04:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Quite. I suspect that it happened too fast for some of them to actually witness the event quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy And thus "I thought I saw a 737" from one individual suddenly becomes gospel. The witness was an aviator. If Tweety says that he THOUGHT that he saw a pussycat, I will wager any time that he in fact did see a pussycat. This witness is an expert witness and I do not doubt his testimony. quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy Dozens of folks claim something like "large passenger jet" So? The expert witness testified that he saw a Boeing 737. What is that? A small cargo plane? quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy and lets face it the polished skin of AA is pretty distinctive (not to mention the big word american painted in nice bold letters along the hull) Well, if you want an American Air lines Boeing 757 as well, then go to a paint shop and buy a brush and some paint and some polish and polish your bicycle and paint the word american in big nice bold letters on one of the pedals. Call me when you take off for a transatlantic flight with your American Airlines Boeing 757 bicycle for I want to take a picture of it and you pedalling when it is in the air. Thus far I have not seen any evidence - a photograph - of the alleged markings, nor have I found a credible witness that says the plane had such markings. Nor did the credible expert witness that saw the plane and that identified it as a 737, make any mention of American Airlines markings. quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy and just one says maybe a 737 Not maybe. That is your interpretation. Instead it was Tweety who definitely saw a pussycat. quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy and on that you base an entire theory I have plenty more, but that piece is out in the open, so I am willing to discuss that, but I am not willing to discuss what is known to me but what is not out in the open. quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy despite several tons of hard evidence to the contrary? You are least hypothesis obsessed. I am evidence obsessed. You are unable to discern the validity of evidence. Least hypothesis obessessed people have for centuries been satisfied with the hypothesis that the holes in the Moon are evidence that the Moon is made from Swiss cheese and that the holes were eaten away by Moon mice. quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy Eyewitnesses are human and fallible, Or liars. quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy or their testimony is irrefutable You are mistaken and simplistic. Testimony may be weighed and tasted and tested. There may be evidence that invalidates it and it may be a gut feeling that is sufficient to invalidate it. quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy you cant have it both ways folks. Yes, I can. It just requires being not lazy and indulging in assuming least hypothesis, because that is the easy way out, but instead taking a hard look at all the evidence and all the aspects of the evidence.

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 4:12:20 PM)
a 737 would at least explain the to small rotor, boeing used those same tires on those too

Sinergy -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 4:43:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy Andy (?) once said everybody is entitled to their 15 mins of fame, come in Steve Jones, Michael Moore, Webfairy et al, your time is up. Andy Warhol Sinergy

Real0ne -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 4:55:03 PM)
RS i woudl leave all the 911 stuff in frankly. This is about terrorists which of course includes the whole scenario of that fatefull day. You know i was just thinking that a person has to love alex jones. He went and got a hold of the algorithym used by the insurance companies to calculate th eodds of all the coincidences that took place on 911 based on the normal occurances day to day... He came up with the odds of 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to one odds using their formula that this could happen.. insurance companies use this to determine if someone is likely commiting fraud with claims etc. Now to put this in perspective scientists have calculated the number of the grains of sand on the earth and come up with: 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 Line those zeros up once. do we really think that this is not a conspiracy with odds running in numbers so high i cant even fucking pronounce it? If not how could all these coincedences have happened on the very same day all within a few short hours? Especially against these kinds of odds that are based on normal day to day occurances! How? Are people really that fucking gullible to buy into the coincidence theory? which incudes the incompetetance issues? Has anyone thought that maybe its is planned incompetetance? after all its some system failure, my back was turned when xyz happened and the bullshit rages on and on and on..... are people really that gullible? Like quick lets kill iraqis and afghans for what arabs did! (supposedly) What the fuck is up with that peeps?

Rule -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/2/2007 5:10:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne a 737 would at least explain the to small rotor, boeing used those same tires on those too Engines are the most significant and massive single, identifiable objects on a plane and most likely to survive in part the crash, so actually I would expect that the engines of this 737 would have been replaced by those from a 757.

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