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sleazy -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/3/2007 9:12:40 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Rule
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
i have no idea where you got that "Straight line from entry to exit" map that neither agrees with the officially released ASCE report and is nowhere to be found in the official ASCE report!
Once Again Here is The "Officially Released" Pentagon Damage Map http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/ASCE2003Pentagonperformancereport.jpg
I note that sleazy's map is upside down as compared to RO's first published map. The maps seem to be identical, once corrected for orientation, with the difference that RO's map is more detailed as to the level of damage to the columns. What is marked red in sleazy's map, is usually marked yellow in RO's map.
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ORIGINAL: sleazy
hell if people cant agree on gear down or gear up at close range how can you seriously expect agreement over the fine differences between two very similar aircraft.
Then you agree that the people who said that they saw an AA 757 are either liars or may well have mistaken a 737 for a 757?
Nope, not at all. Unless of course that is you are willing to accept the just as likely proposition that people lie about or could well have mistaken a 757 for a 737, or an airbus 320, a Lear type business jet, or as one witness claimed a 747 (and the 747 is exceptionally distinctive from some view points due the the hump, and also carries twice as many engines). The boeings & airbus all are twin underwing engine commercial jets with conventional stabiliser arrangements of similar size, the lear type generally has a T type stabiliser arrangement and engines mounted on the rear of the hull, and differences for the 747 have already been outlined. Bear in mind that for anyone that does not work on a runway they were seeing things out of their percieved natural environment and so any judgement of physical size is subjective.
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I rely on the testimony of an expert witness, an aviator. That someone corroborates his testimony is nice, and a pleasant surprise, but not necessary as far as I am concerned.
Blue on Blue? IFF? Have you perchance seen the expert testimony from experts the world over that points out that from some angles an ancient old 707 can appear to be a 747 and vice versa (incident in case KAL007)? Such witnesses included ADIZ interceptor pilots and if you would expect anyone to have good recognition skills it would be them.
What aircraft did your aviator fly? Where was his home base? Where did he normally fly? What role did he fly in? All of these points are perfectly valid questions.
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Discrepancies in testimony are always interesting. We may assume that Timmerman already had a tough job piloting the 737 without the added encumberance of flying with landing gear down, besides knowing that there would be light poles in its path, so we may also assume that the gear was not down. So either the gear down witnesses were liars and as such persons of interest, or they had some kind of psychological Pavlov reflex - i.e. their brains filled in the holes not seen; that is what the brain does in each of us continually.
Correction, YOU may assume Timmerman etc etc, I have seen nothing that points to him being on board a C130, please cite a credible source. I notice you seem to agree with the idea of people seeing what they think they see depending on the environment, i.e. in this instance low flying commercial jets should have gear down, therefore this one did, can we not therefore accept the concept that matters of scale are subjective too.
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