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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 9:36:37 AM   
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Does anyone have a take on this?  ... how did an object get past the no damage zone as shown in yellow to blow out a wall without blowing out everything inbetween?

Nothing fishy there. Those thick yellow columns simply are more robust than the thin wall. You also see a green and black square nearby on the second and third inner rows, so heavy damage was done to those thick colums close to the thin wall.
That airplane must have functioned like a piston as it shot into the building, pushing a wall of compressed air in front of it. That wall of compressed air would have been not obstructed by the yellow square columns, but would have bypassed them, as it could, but it could not possibly bypass the thin wall and would have slammed into it, blowing it out.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 10:09:59 AM   
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Does anyone have a take on this?  ... how did an object get past the no damage zone as shown in yellow to blow out a wall without blowing out everything inbetween?

Nothing fishy there. Those thick yellow columns simply are more robust than the thin wall. You also see a green and black square nearby on the second and third inner rows, so heavy damage was done to those thick colums close to the thin wall.
That airplane must have functioned like a piston as it shot into the building, pushing a wall of compressed air in front of it. That wall of compressed air would have been not obstructed by the yellow square columns, but would have bypassed them, as it could, but it could not possibly bypass the thin wall and would have slammed into it, blowing it out.


wow so you think compressed air blew that hole in the wall?


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 11:03:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes. The power of pneumatics is impressive. Look: a little bit of wind can move a large ship. An airplane moving at speed produces a lot of wind. In a closed building that compressed air will move a relatively tiny wall, and make it explode outward.
 
This hypothesis makes sense to me. Of course a physicist or engineer will have to do the calculations to verify whether I am right, but I nearly always am in matters of conceptual science.
 
We should not make matters more complicated than the evidence warrants. We have a few credible witnesses that saw a plane. We have testimony from two credible witnesses that there were two planes. We have a credible expert witness who testified that the plane that hit the Pentagon was a 737. That is all we need. Anyone who pursues the possibility that the damage to the Pentagon was not caused by a plane is on the wrong trail and contributes to the misinformation that confuses people and that by association causes all other inquests to be seen as not credible.
 
The damage to the Pentagon is not relevant to any investigation. A 737 and a 757 will conceivably cause similar damage. Remains typical of a 737 may be removed at any stage after the impact, and likewise 575 remains planted. So any material evidence acceptable is a piece that is 737 and would never ever have been used in a 757, not even in an improvised repair. Looking for such evidence will be like looking for a needle in a hay-stack.
 
One of the questions is where did the plane come from? There is no evidence that flight 77 took off from the airport it purportedly departed from.
 
Another: who was on the cargo plane that apparently accompanied the 737? One would expect such crew to be interviewed by the media, but that apparently never happened. Weird, isn't it?

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 11:11:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tantricone....you nailed the situation right on the head.
The idea of wanting to change a fundamentalistic religious muslim (s) country into a democracy ,by ANY means,is ludicrous and demote a lower than usual IQ  (USA GOV)and will never ever happens.
Religious zealous are like a fast spreding cancer.Now someone tell me how are we doing treating cancer?
Thinking of a happy Middle Eastern with a Israely state would be simillar as thinking about a world witout any Racisms.This will never happen as long as we have Israel into the Middle East (BTY : Israel is in Europe if you look at the European soccer championship Israel is located in Europe,but not the surrounding States?....bizare)
Sadly , as history made it clear,humans not only aren't able to learn by their mistakes,but keep repeating them and with the technology not stopping anytime soon,the day when everything won't matter anymore is getting closer.
Hearth is what? Half a billion years old? more ? less? it is going to take a little more than 2000 years for us to transforme it into a meteorites shower.Bravo
One that note...please enjoy the super ball   GO PAYTON

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 2:16:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well i frankly dont see pneumatics doing it unless you build a device to direct the flow etc etc and it woudl be extremely difficult to preoduce that kind of power.  remember that was the 3 ring.  that and if it were air caused by the plane think in terms of a hurricane, they wipe everything in the path out and that is not the case here.  in fact that is where i have a problem with the whole scenario is that there shoudl be damage in the yelly zone bfore the wall blew out.

That is why i stick to what i can and cannot see in these discussions rather than guess what is practical.  they have all our money to play with so they can do what they want regardless of how pratical it is or not...

So what i am saying is it could be done with pneumatics but i doubt it could be done with a plane


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 4:00:08 PM   
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Well i frankly dont see pneumatics doing it unless you build a device to direct the flow

It is directed. The more of the plane that pushes into the building, the more the air in there is being compressed. It is only the air in front of the nose of the plane that is being pushed ahead, though. You get the same effect made visible when you push water ahead of you on the surface of a bath tub.

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and it would be extremely difficult to produce that kind of power.

No, it would not. You have a huge and massive piston moving at high velocity. That  is the power that pushes at and compresses the air in front of it.

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remember that was the 3 ring.

Quite. Therefore it was the most massive wall of air that struck against that thin wall. All the air-length within those three rings was behind it. Recall that this all happened within the same enclosure: the two-storey lower floors that are continuous from outer ring to third ring. Just take a shovel and move that at speed though the water of your bath tub. The wave that you get in front of the shovel will be proportional to the length that the shovel is displaced in the water. Therefore at 3-ring the wall of air will be heavier than at any earlier time.

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that and if it were air caused by the plane think in terms of a hurricane, they wipe everything in the path out

That is not true. It is all about surface area. A reed will remain standing where a tree is toppled. That is because the tree has the larger surface area. The air will pass between those columns just like water passes through a grating or sieve. It is only when it encounters the wall that the pressure truly builds up.

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in fact that is where i have a problem with the whole scenario is that there should be damage in the yelly zone before the wall blew out.

Only if you stipulate that all damage must be caused by physical parts of the airplane colliding with other parts. Besides, I already pointed at the damaged green and black square columns very near to the wall. In this case according to my hypothesis it was compressed air that took down that wall. To that compressed air the thick intervening columns did not pose much of an obstruction: it simply flowed around them.

I know that there is nobody in the world, human or otherwise, who is better than me when it comes to conceptual science, nor even comes close. I am confident that my model is correct and it will take the calculations of a physicist that prove me wrong before I will discard this model.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 4:21:05 PM   
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I know that there is nobody in the world, human or otherwise, who is better than me when it comes to conceptual science, nor even comes close. I am confident that my model is correct and it will take the calculations of a physicist that prove me wrong before I will discard this model.



Legend in one's own mind.

I have never actually heard a reputable scientist or theoretician make such a claim.

Although I would render the opinion that a person who blocks people who might challenge their self-worship might have some sort of deep-seated self-esteem issues.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 7:23:28 PM   
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I know that there is nobody in the world, human or otherwise, who is better than me when it comes to conceptual science, nor even comes close. I am confident that my model is correct and it will take the calculations of a physicist that prove me wrong before I will discard this model.



Legend in one's own mind.

I have never actually heard a reputable scientist or theoretician make such a claim.

Although I would render the opinion that a person who blocks people who might challenge their self-worship might have some sort of deep-seated self-esteem issues.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy


So I get an email from somebody who seems to be a legend in their own mind and blocks people, attempting to insult me by expressing that they block me for health reasons.

I am still laughing.

The first question in my mind is "Why does this person think I care at all why they block me."  But I can answer that with the idea "Oh, legend in their own mind."   Since the only opinion in the entire known universe that matters is theirs, it is anathema to suggest that somebody could disagree with them.

To me, an adult would be willing to stand up and state what they believe without skulking about in the background trying to drag other people down.

As usual, just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 7:29:49 PM   
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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 7:41:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems to me that it is Sinergy that is trying to do the dragging down. Also, as usual, he is wrong. And yes, reading his posts is very wearying to me. The camel is strong, but eventually it is the last straw that breaks his back.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 7:45:51 PM   
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Seems to me that it is Sinergy that is trying to do the dragging down. Also, as usual, he is wrong.


Thank you for that erudite, well researched, and footnoted analysis of my behavior.

I purposefully did not name you in my post. 

I am done here.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 8:00:27 PM   
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Seems to me that it is Sinergy that is trying to do the dragging down. Also, as usual, he is wrong. And yes, reading his posts is very wearying to me. The camel is strong, but eventually it is the last straw that breaks his back.


I find his posts to be exactly the opposite. I but then again I would not let anyone less than him dominate me.. He does not tire easily, mentally or physically, and I have been around a lot of intellectually stimulating people in my academic career, he by far conceptualizes up there with the best of them...

BTW, in case you did not "get it" Sinergy is my Dom... and I cannot think of one person on the whole entire planet that makes a better one for a future doctor of anthropology..

But like he always says.... that is just me and I could be wrong

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 8:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am glad for him that you feel that way. Your opinion does not lessen my exhaustion one bit, though. I hope to recuperate eventually, but that will take an extended period of time.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 8:20:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I get another email from the person who emailed me before about why he/she has me blocked.

Apparently, In their mind, I think he/she is wrong, and this is bad to them.

Although, I am wondering why the person is responding to me if they have me blocked and never read what
I say.  But anyway.

Which, I can understand, for a person who posts that they are intellectually superior to everybody else, would be anathema to their personal worldview to learn something which might invalidate their deeply held convictions of Absolute Truth.

I never said they were specifically wrong.  I said they failed to prove their position in an intellectual debate, and they fell back on the "Im smarter than you, so I am right" approach, which stopped working for me in 2nd grade.

The most amusing part about this is that an intellectually and logically superior person is attempting to prove their omnipotence via email, as opposed to trying to make a valid point where anybody who reads it might have a differing opinion or evidence to the contrary.

But as I usually say, this is just me and I could be wrong.  In addition, I figure if it works for that person, then hey, I say go for it!

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 9:44:03 PM   
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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 9:45:40 PM   
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Why cant we all just get along?


Is someone not getting along? 

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 10:11:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why do you feel the wall would blow out and not just the windows?
That and how would you account for the hallways that woudl asct like big air ducts venting it away.

Here is somehting ot think about:

semtek moves air at about well anywhere between 12000, 24000 feet per second.  Now a brick of semtek could make a hole like that.  But semtek doesnt make a hole like that it just takes out a big jagged hunk of the wall not a purdy round hole.  The last time i seen a round hole like that through a brick wall was when i tipped over a oxyacetylene, broke the valve off and the damn thing took off like a rocket and made a perfect round hole through the wall.  oh yeh couple other times, when they shot a cruise missle through one.  The delay detonation type.

Anyway as i was saying semtek moves air between 12000-24000 feet per sec...  nice explosive.  Now the airplne is only moving 700 feet per second and that is at top speed.   It would be considerably slower once it went through a few walls.   That and it will not go through the wall in one peice it will fragment.   To put this into perspective we used to tune our bb guns down to 250feet per second and shoot each other because even at 250 feet per second it would not penetrate the skin.  human skin.  and bb's are copper coated lead.

So yiou have a plane moving less than 700 feet per second, you have lots of windows that would blow out long before the walls woudl and you also have the rooms and hallways to act as an accumulator or shock absorber.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 10:14:48 PM   
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Why cant we all just get along?


Is someone not getting along? 


i was just being funny... the thought went through my head of MOG posting "are we having fun yet?"   LOL


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 10:16:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why argue about planes v/ cruise missiles v/ CDI?

If you stipulate that "Sure, they were planes, fine". You can move right along to:

Why does Condi Rice get promoted after her failure on 9/11, much less keep her job?





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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 1/31/2007 10:19:49 PM   
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Why argue about planes v/ cruise missiles v/ CDI?

If you stipulate that "Sure, they were planes, fine". You can move right along to:

Why does Condi Rice get promoted after her failure on 9/11, much less keep her job?






Oh yeh and a whole lot of other people

how about waco,

randy weaver

i dont think we the peple know what to do...  the problem is when a person gets tangled up in this stuff it eats up their whole lives and i think that is why people let them get away with this shit and literally live in fear.   just say audit once and look at the responses you get...


Oh yeh and chertoff for writing that crock of crap in pm ,magazine


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