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TreSwank -> Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 8:54:07 PM)

     Well folks - I'm not gonna beat around the "proverbial" bush in this post, like I've had a tendency to do in so many other "TreSwank"-produced threads.  Although certain aspects of my "sensual" tastes have remained pretty steady over the years, I've always had those mercurial, flavor of the month fetishes (you know - the ones that you don't tell your friends about.......period) of which I might actually get around to exploring a little less than half.

   Now, for the past year, I've had this "nice"  bubbling interest in exploited "womenfolk"...........women who reluctantly do things because they HAVE to...........not because they jive with the love train, but because they possess one or more of the following issues

1. Kids to feed 
2.  Nowhere to go
3.  A drug habit that hasn't rendered them unattractive as of yet.
4.  Women who have "emotional scars" from earlier abuse, and are all "FUCKED UP"

  The more I go out - something just seems to get my mojo runnin' when I see these women.  It's not the relative "ease" of the pickup - it's the humiliation that I imagine seeing in the eyes of these girls as they "do their thang."  It's the abject, decrepit condition of the human spirit that floats my boat..........especially in a near hopeless, but still pretty young thing.

   I'm always been considered a semi-attractive looking guy, and I "SHO as hell" don't need to pander to that element for nasty (hot) ho' loving, but there's something about their desperation and broken self-image that turns me on. 

   Is this something that you guys have ever head of before (from people who seem semi-normal.......not flakes with creepy smiles and B.O.)?

     If so, what do you think causes this weird fetish?


*Edited to add:  Listen guys - I know that it's weird, but it ain't as weird as it COULD BE.

  



juliaoceania -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:01:49 PM)

I used to have fantasies along these lines when I was younger, of course I was the one being objectified and coerced, not the other way around[;)]

I kinda outgrew it and never indulged it.



TreSwank -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:11:25 PM)

Last night, I was at the local "slum" bar, and this pretty little cracked-out ghetto princess approached the Swankster, looking for a little financial boost to get that next fix.  She looked desperate and emotionally battered, and when I asked her if she "could deal with pain", she told me that life had taken most of her capability to feel anything...........which made me ROCK hard.  For a good minute-and-a-half, I stood there, debating the pros and cons of giving a tiny contribution to this sufferin' lass in return for some REALLY emotionally degrading stuff.  I may have been drunk as a skunk, but I did consider it - that is, until I thought of the woman stealing shit out of my apartment if given an opportunity.  Well........my vanity kicked in too - but I could have rationalized my way out of that one.

If any "pro" submissives contact me after reading this, I'm gonna tell you to "go straight to hell".   Let me rephrase that; if any "pro" submissives contact me after reading this, you'd better not cost more than whatever I pull out of my pocket at that moment and time.  (Right now, I'm wearing pajama bottoms with NO pockets)



WyrdRich -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:12:09 PM)

     "The lapdance is so much better when the stripper is crying"



TreSwank -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:17:27 PM)

Wow........I just realized that I'm probably gonna become a horrible husband to some unlucky women in the distant future.  (Sigh)  Man, that kind of blows.



Aileen68 -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:18:16 PM)

Not if this shit turns her on.



TreSwank -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:21:12 PM)

Even though I'm excited by that sort of thing, how the hell are you gonna convince a reasonably intelligent woman that picking up a hopeless, young, reluctant gutter pup for humiliating sexual acts is a good idea?


Wow, that sounds really funny when you say it out loud. 



WyrdRich -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:22:59 PM)

Pull her hair?



Aileen68 -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:24:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

Pull her hair?

That would work for me.



Emperor1956 -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:29:47 PM)

Ah, the swankster dilemma:  Is this a post with some actual merit, and something that might be interesting to talk about, or is Tre once again pulling his (and my, and your) pud?

I think I'll wait to see how this develops.  Of course, if it is just swanking off, I go back to my first thought on the OP which was "This boy has only had mercy fucks!  He wouldn't know from anything else."

E.



juliaoceania -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:31:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank

Even though I'm excited by sort of thing, how the hell are you gonna convince a reasonably intelligent woman that picking up a hopeless, young, reluctant gutter pup for humiliating sexual acts is a good idea?


Wow, that sounds really funny when you say it out loud. 


You let your intelligent dream girl dress up and play the hopeless wretch, take her out, and pimp her while you watch her humiliation.... which is all the more rich because she isn't that way by day at all[:D]

You know, you CAN have it all. You just have to be a little imaginative and make sure the one you pick to do this stuff with wants to have as much fun as you.



TreSwank -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:36:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Emperor1956


I think I'll wait to see how this develops.  Of course, if it is just swanking off, I go back to my first thought on the OP which was "This boy has only had mercy fucks!  He wouldn't know from anything else."

E.


My God.........I had always thought that they were enticed by my five-inches of fun. I may not be the MOST photogenic person in the world, but every time I look at a picture of myself or pass a reflective surface, I could swear that I keep on getting sexier and sexier.  Is it possible for a person to overdose on "sexiness"?  I hope not, cause the Swankster may be takin' a trip the E.R. pretty soon. 

And no, this isn't a joke post - with the exception of the random one-liners I throw in to break any tedium that accumulates from the Swankster making a post in the "serious" forum. 

By the way, Julia.  The spirit-breaking humiliation wouldn't be genuine enough if the future wife just "pretended" to be a destitute reprobate.  Besides, I wouldn't want to pimp her out to other people............I'm as territorial as a fucking grizzly-bear.



Emperor1956 -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:47:15 PM)

Well, Tre, if it is "for real" then I'll add this:  I don't know if I had an "exploited woman fetish" when I was about your age, but I definitely had a desire for women who needed help.  A LOT of help.  Damaged goods ("all fucked up" I think you called them), alkys, druggies, and -- a personal favorite -- borderline personalities. 

Why?  I don't know.  The up-and-down drama (hey, when you are in school and not really responsible for anything but getting thru some pretty easy classes, you have time for all that drama).  The feeling of her absolutely and completely needing me - like oxygen - at least for that night.  Or the pretty wild and generally available sex?  (And yes, there was a lot of sex.  Apparently the sexless burn-out stage of substance abuse didn't hit this group of 20-somethings.)

But I grew out of it...or I got lucky, or both.  I met a wonderful, stable and together woman who became my wife (and still is).  I learned what I wanted and needed.  I became an "integrated" person, the shrink might say.  And I found that there are ways to construct relationships that both of you can feel that need and desire like oxygen.

So there's hope.

E.



TreSwank -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/26/2007 9:51:19 PM)

Whenever they tell me their "abuse" stories, I console them and all that yas-yas, but on the inside, it just makes me more "hot and bothered" than Clay Aiken at a P-Town resort.  I can totally relate to the "damaged-goods" appeal.



gypsygrl -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/27/2007 1:55:46 AM)

I have a preoccupation with exploitation, particularly those forms of exploitation revolving around class and economic vulnerability.  Strictly speaking, its not a fetish because I don't require it to get off (its not something I've ever explored real life), but it's pretty much the core of my fantasy life.  I think of it as a masochistic process of sublimation in which I'm taking something 'painful' and converting it into 'pleasure.'  Its basically a way of integrating things I cannot change in this particular moment without falling into a resigned mindlessness.  It gets me through the day and helps me work through abmivalences/conflicts and gives me something to do with my anger while I wait for the revolution.

I've never been one to repress.  If anything, I move in the opposite direction and can eroticize pretty much everything.  (Some one once told me I was the only person who could use 'chicken soup' and 'sex' in the same sentence and make them both sound good.  I took this as a high compliment. lol)  I mean, really, by itself, life kind of sucks.  Why not make it sexy?

You're coming at it from the opposite direction and I can't really answer your question.  Its probably another way of exploring 'power.'  The details, you'll have to work out for yourself. :)



PossiblyMaybe -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/27/2007 2:56:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank

1. Kids to feed
2. Nowhere to go
3. A drug habit that hasn't rendered them unattractive as of yet.
4. Women who have "emotional scars" from earlier abuse, and are all "FUCKED UP"

The more I go out - something just seems to get my mojo runnin' when I see these women. It's not the relative "ease" of the pickup - it's the humiliation that I imagine seeing in the eyes of these girls as they "do their thang." It's the abject, decrepit condition of the human spirit that floats my boat..........especially in a near hopeless, but still pretty young thing.

I'm always been considered a semi-attractive looking guy, and I "SHO as hell" don't need to pander to that element for nasty (hot) ho' loving, but there's something about their desperation and broken self-image that turns me on.

If so, what do you think causes this weird fetish?

Have you seen rent? It's kind of what attracts people to Mimi's character in a lot of ways. She totally has that completely desperate need for.. something. But you don't always have to find what you're looking for in Mimi. I think for a long time before I found S&M I got myself into a lot of bad sex experiences because I didn't have the outlet for being completely destroyed (and built back up) that I have when I have a dom. That's part of what I.. like about it. and I guess it comes from being "all fucked up". And there are other girls I know who are "all fucked up" too. (SEe: Wikipedia definition of promiscuous)

I have a friend with a personality disorder who is intelligent, beautiful, and likes it pretty rough. I haven't actually delved into the depths of d/s with her but I know she's definitley a massochists with handcuffs in her nightstand. We're both in our early 20s and maybe I shouldn't admit to this because a lot of people shun and dislike the "fucked up" subs but there are a lot doing it and humiliation and TRUE self degradation. Maybe this isn't exactly what you're asking? But at least the condition I am explaining applies to #4 because that one applies to me just like it applies to about 1 in 3 women.

I also think there's a lot of women who fall into this fucked up dichodomy of really honestly believing in female empowerment and being in the professional world and still having this sort of need for abuse, or pain, or self destruction that they don't have an outlet for and actually seek out someone who sort of takes their broken pieces and crunches them around. You might not realize it but it DOES make us pretty desperate for a unity between two things that seem almost impossible. Sometimes I'm even jealous of the very domestic subs like some of them I know, who are completley happy serving their master all of the time and also have a lifestyle that is harmonious with it. It's something you almost need to have in your personal life when you feel fucked up inside and don't want to completely fuck up your day to day life - school, work, healthy friendships. I know that I have a tendency to spiral downwards, and a lot of the time I use sex as an outlet for this in very unhealthy ways - well, it was unhealthy until I realized I could have this total mind fuck from a male who cares about me as long as he understands it too.

As far as why you're into this "weird" fetish (as opposed to all of our normal fetishes, lol...) Well, I know for someone who's mostly been in a sub position I really love pushing limits and seeing how far I can go. How much pain I can take. How much humiliation I can deal with. How far I will go to do whatever my Dom says, commands, or asks... There is always the feeling of wanting to take it further, and deeper, to sink lower into complete helplessness to that... So, in the position of a top I don't see why you wouldn't have that desire too.. You want to take it one step further, instead of it being someone who wants to feel like you're exploiting her, you want someone who NEEDS you to exploit her. You want someone COMPLETELY desperate as opposed to a person more willing to push themselves to that level you want someone who is already at rock bottom. Someone already ready to be built up. People like that are very... raw... and I've definitley met some I've been pretty attracted to myself.. Not necessarily exactly the same but.. with a person like that you KNOW they're not pretending when they say they need you. There is less of necessity to trust that aspect of them. Maybe you want someone you can push that much further, degrade that much lower... But I really do think you can probably find someone who is willing to do that and also can live a pretty functional day to day life. We're all hiding something fucked up... it just takes being able to bring it out, exploit it and hopefully know when to stop and be able to "bring them back" because I think that's a really important part of it. The difference for me, between someone just exploiting the fact that I NEED that self-destructive outlet, and someone I consider a real dom is that, you need to be able to build up what you destroy. And, if you know how to destroy it down, I am pretty sure you can find that desperate hopeless look in a lot more of us then just those who are in the 1-3 categories and there are probably more of us in 4 then you'd think.

Maybe I'm explaining something completely obvious, I don't know.. but I am kinda new at actually talking to people about this kind of thing.

It doesn't really seem all that "weird" to me.



Amaros -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/27/2007 6:47:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank

Last night, I was at the local "slum" bar, and this pretty little cracked-out ghetto princess approached the Swankster, looking for a little financial boost to get that next fix.  She looked desperate and emotionally battered, and when I asked her if she "could deal with pain", she told me that life had taken most of her capability to feel anything...........which made me ROCK hard.  For a good minute-and-a-half, I stood there, debating the pros and cons of giving a tiny contribution to this sufferin' lass in return for some REALLY emotionally degrading stuff.  I may have been drunk as a skunk, but I did consider it - that is, until I thought of the woman stealing shit out of my apartment if given an opportunity.  Well........my vanity kicked in too - but I could have rationalized my way out of that one.

If any "pro" submissives contact me after reading this, I'm gonna tell you to "go straight to hell".   Let me rephrase that; if any "pro" submissives contact me after reading this, you'd better not cost more than whatever I pull out of my pocket at that moment and time.  (Right now, I'm wearing pajama bottoms with NO pockets)


I think you nailed it here - if you're going to take advantage of someones situation, you cannot expect loyalty in return, you can expect to get treated exactly as you deserve the second the opportunity arises. I've helped out women and guys too, when I was younger and less discerning, in this situation - not exploited, just helped out, and yeah, many of them still stole from me, some were worse than others - at least one girl turned out to be a good friend who still helps me out occasionally, so it sort of evens out the wild ride she gave me back when.

Bottom line is, if you're gonna be a masher, then you're gonna have to take the onus that comes with it - even if you play white knight, people in desperate situations tend to act, well... desperate.

And often, more than a little unhinged - there may be good reasons they're in this situation to begin with.

I happen to simply be attracted to women who are a little bit crazy, I'm not sure why.



lucreziaborgia -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/27/2007 8:39:57 AM)

Lets just say - the girls you describe would fit that of eileen wuornos  (spelling?) notorious female serial killer of men.  Poor girl had be so beaten down and ruined by life and assholes..
that she flipped the switch and

killled m8f^cker8s just like..... somebody we know ;)

beware next time. the ho may have a blade or gun for you.
just a heads up. guys got to be careful too.



MercilessMarcy -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/27/2007 9:19:08 AM)

It's all about Adventure, adrenaline rush, power, and knowing that things can go terribly wrong.  You are in total control, right up to the time you turn your back.  It's thrill seeking.  As such, it's very addictive and dangerous.  Oh dear, sucked another one into darkness, didn't I?!



Real0ne -> RE: Exploited Women Fetish? (1/27/2007 9:27:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Amaros

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank

Last night, I was at the local "slum" bar, and this pretty little cracked-out ghetto princess approached the Swankster, looking for a little financial boost to get that next fix.  She looked desperate and emotionally battered, and when I asked her if she "could deal with pain", she told me that life had taken most of her capability to feel anything...........which made me ROCK hard.  For a good minute-and-a-half, I stood there, debating the pros and cons of giving a tiny contribution to this sufferin' lass in return for some REALLY emotionally degrading stuff.  I may have been drunk as a skunk, but I did consider it - that is, until I thought of the woman stealing shit out of my apartment if given an opportunity.  Well........my vanity kicked in too - but I could have rationalized my way out of that one.

If any "pro" submissives contact me after reading this, I'm gonna tell you to "go straight to hell".   Let me rephrase that; if any "pro" submissives contact me after reading this, you'd better not cost more than whatever I pull out of my pocket at that moment and time.  (Right now, I'm wearing pajama bottoms with NO pockets)


I think you nailed it here - if you're going to take advantage of someones situation, you cannot expect loyalty in return, you can expect to get treated exactly as you deserve the second the opportunity arises. I've helped out women and guys too, when I was younger and less discerning, in this situation - not exploited, just helped out, and yeah, many of them still stole from me, some were worse than others - at least one girl turned out to be a good friend who still helps me out occasionally, so it sort of evens out the wild ride she gave me back when.

Bottom line is, if you're gonna be a masher, then you're gonna have to take the onus that comes with it - even if you play white knight, people in desperate situations tend to act, well... desperate.

And often, more than a little unhinged - there may be good reasons they're in this situation to begin with.

I happen to simply be attracted to women who are a little bit crazy, I'm not sure why.




well said and right on taget imo!


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