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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 6:48:23 PM

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" In my 43 gay years, I've never heard this term."

It's regional, and since queerfolk are equal to hetfolk, their right to have their own slang as per their nation and region is equal to a yank saying "cornhole" (meaning bugger) while an Aussie would say "bumroot". Neither would know what the fuck the other was speaking of, even if both had been assfucking for 43 years. Like "shag"; say that to most USA residents and they think you are referring to carpet, as opposed to "munching rug". Or "fuck".

Simply because you are unaware of somthing by dint of your periphery does not mean that something does not in fact exist.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 6:50:20 PM

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And in my 46 years, neither have I. lol
This is just my own feeling but the usage of the term "breeder" really makes me cringe, probably since it's used a a derogatory term and I do find it offensive.

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(including the term "lemon")

In my 43 gay years, I've never heard this term.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 6:57:17 PM

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And in my 46 years, neither have I. lol

You must be on the periphery too. Good thing we have reamer to set us, uh, straight!

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 6:58:08 PM

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queer was originally used in a very derogative fashion. The term was "reclaimed". I am of an age where I recall the times it was (at best) disrespectful.

I've learned to bite the bullet and use it. out of respect.

you are in Canada, the term "lemon" is probably not used there. but as you are Canadian, you migt know at least one Lesbian in the Sydney Aus "Family". E-mail her and ask her if the term "lemon" is real or not, rather than simply disputing it here. Samer with anyone else outside the South Pacific area.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 6:58:32 PM

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And in my 46 years, neither have I. lol

You must be on the periphery too. Good thing we have reamer to set us, uh, straight!

ROFL

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:00:11 PM

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" Good thing we have reamer to set us, uh, straight!"

trust me, the last thing I would EVER do is attempt to set ANYONE straight.

in any fashion. For any reason.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:02:03 PM

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Please let me clarify this mix up. I am fully aware "queer" has been reclaimed as I sometimes use queer to refer to myself.
I stated I never heard the term "lemon" but never implied it isn't a real term that's all. :)

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:02:14 PM

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Master Fire, a fair sentiment, cogently expressed. But this question/topic could be fairly viewed as a "stew", with many ingredients. One of which (as I stated) is not discussed here as of yet, and then there is another, dealing with your statement:

Bi men often behave differently than "properly gay men",

I never made any statement about bi people of any gender.

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even if the gay men "are not after the ass" of the hets, that does not mean that Bi males "on the down low"

I really don't see how the OPs statement has anything to do with bi man or their behavior. Perhaps I'm just confused.

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(and I am sure you are familiar with that phrase and term) are not, themselves, willing to cross some boundaries of some breederboys.

What does procreation sex have to do with the perception of gay men chasing after het men? Again, I'm confused.

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If there was a woman you knew, whom always self-identified as queer/lemon, then for romantic reasons, aesthetic reasons, philosphical reasons, kink reasons, any combination of the above, "came out" to her sapphic friends as being significantly "involved" with a male whom identified as "het", they had great sex (including kinky sex), would you support that? Because the "match" was "right", gender politics be damned?

Again, this had nothing to do with the OPs post. But...yes, I'd support it. But then, I'm a predominantly-het bi woman, so I don't have issued with a predominantly lesbian woman finding a man of any orientation attractive.

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If such a woman had been a domme-dyke and best friend of yours, and said she'd been most happy subbing to a het male (though with the caveat of his being accepted by "The Family" - you know what I mean - as a "queer in spirit") , would you help her celebrate finding this satifaction, or would you be looking for options and reasons to give this new love away?

Since I find that sexual preference, gender as well as T/b, D/s and M/s roles are fluid things and can and do change in many people, I don't care what consenting adults do. But, again, this has nothing to do with the original topic.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:03:02 PM

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Just kidding, darling.

So what does "lemon" mean, anyway? Is it specific to lesbians or does it mean all of us?

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:08:54 PM

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Maybe they just don't any more baggage, like another lover. Maybe they just want some fun, and no commitment. No one saying, "How come you didn't call".

Just an idea, Sub BalletBob

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:15:14 PM

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Master Fire, excellent answers. Please understand that my replies to you were in (what I perceive) as in the interest of the thread, to possibly broaden its scope. You see my post bits as having nothing to do with the scope of the original topic as expressed by the OP, but as I said in my forst post in this, I was expanding it, stated that from the outset, said I was not limiting myself to the context of the initial post.

bearin cuffs, thanks for that.

dcnovice, the term is specific to lesbians, most often used in the Sydney Community, but not limited to that (it's "understood" in places in Oz over 500 kilometres away and has even been used as a verbal joke on free to air TV as of several days ago, and I mean national FTATV, not community TV or pay for channel).

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:15:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bearincuffs

And in my 46 years, neither have I. lol
This is just my own feeling but the usage of the term "breeder" really makes me cringe, probably since it's used a a derogatory term and I do find it offensive.

I find the term"breeder" offensive as well. Next time a gay couple adopts, I hope they acknowledge that it could not have been done without the "breeders" or a heterosexual fertilization.

Love us or hate us.. you need us. Every gay person was conceived of a heterosexual union.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:38:01 PM

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Why can't the term breeder merely be looked at as "funny"? I AM a breeder, though I'll never breed. Words should not carry the same weight as behaviour towards another person, in my opinion.

If someone calls me a breeder, but I'm the person they ask to write and speak the poetic dedication to their queer marriage, and another person says "that's a bad word" but they'd not even invite me to their queer marriage even if we've been "friends" for years, where does the real respect lie?

and the real disrespect?

I may have decided to never be maried and never breed, but if I ever did?
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and I wanted a "best man" who UNDERSTOOD what good love and good sex and good relationship means to speak for me, I wanted that man to be my best friend in all the world whom I was honored by, when he chose to come out to me first?

and everyone else had a problem with that?

I would dump everyone else for that wedding, and have only HIM and my bride (not that such will happen) there, aside from my family that also love him and appreciate him. HIM over anyone that sees politics and sex/love as intertwined. With the man he considers his Wife right there too, singing the aria, rather than someone whom loked at "preferrence" over BEHAVIOUR.

Over friendship, over platonic love, rather than "what flag do we waste our time marching under".

as a footnote, dcnovice, thank you for referring to me as darling.

that means more to be coming from a good queer man than being called "hottie" does from a woman, no joke, no hyperbole.

I am glad this thread began.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:47:48 PM

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as a footnote, dcnovice, thank you for referring to me as darling.

I have to keep reminding myself not to do that at the office!

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 7:53:36 PM

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ROLLING with belly chuckles at that one!

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 8:00:39 PM

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The term could be looked at with humor by someone who is able to find humor with the term "breeder".
This is just my own personal issue with it. Simply as everytime I have heard my fellow gays use it, it was always used as a derogatory term towards the hetero community.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 8:09:03 PM

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I understand that, but if we breeders never bothered to take offense, how long would that last for? how long would the term carry the same "nasty bitchy fun" weight? especially if it was globally known the term was used in that way you state and most breeders said "uh, yeah, so what, got something funny to add to that?"

I mean I'm a massive Oscar Wilde fan RE how he dealt with anyone messing with him verbally and as a wordsmith.

One can always opt to paint a portrait of Society's Dorian Grey then happily burn it themselves, with a laugh,a giggle, a song in the heart and a naughty glint in the eye.

A very old paradigm that the wacko fundamendalists forget is that the best way to best the Devil is to make a joke at his expense, and laugh rather than combat.

Sometimes that means laughing at ourselves, gay or straight, black or white.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/28/2007 9:14:54 PM

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Dear DeepWaters, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Having attended MAL (Mid-Atlantic Leather) conference, in Washington, DC; where most of my friends are Gay Leathermen, this seems to be a timely topic.

In my interactions with Gay men, with some straight and Bi-sexual men, I really feel that its beyond 'sexual' attraction. I was keen to watch interactions and mostly, it was just being around kindred spirits. Identifying what it was to be 'Final Leather' and how wide range being "leather" could mean.

Absent of the internal Gay 'peer pressure' which looks are so important but superficial at times; those who aren't caught up in the dress and pose in leather and selling themselves as 'hot male meat' in leather attire; really seek to have a genuine leather culture dialog with others.

Although I am Heterosexual, I am often assumed I am Lesbian. When they discover I am Heterosexual I am treated much differently and delightfully lifted to a higher degree of conversation and respect. I feel so much love, warmth, acceptance, protection, respect and a sense of 'family.' I have enjoyed such a relationship since the 1980s.
I often tell those Gays that are comfortable with me, that I am a Gay Leatherman trapped in a woman's body. We laugh and enjoy each other as human beings and defined beyond what is "leather" and or "Gay" and or Straight, etc.

When Lesbians come to me and start courting, I am deeply flattered.
I am honest with these women who identify as Lesbian, that I am Heterosexual. That said; being one who enjoys the M/s dynamic; it is that of Master/slave --not of gender preference.

I'm witnessing many who take interest in being Heterosexual women who identify slave who wish to submit to Gay Masters. There should be consideration that such desire is to submit beyond the sex but, to commit to service and to that spiritual level beyond what may be considered as 'sexually comfortable.'

Perhaps the answer in Gay men attracted to Heterosexual men will manifest in due time. Perhaps an open mind is best; as to perhaps inspire Heterosexual men to get out of the sex and kink mindset, into that of service and or spirituality in a M/s dynamic.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/29/2007 1:18:40 AM

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FYI reamer,

In the US, the term "lemon" refers to a car, usually a used one,
that has endless problems and repair expenses, thus leaving
a "bitter taste" in the mouth of the owner.

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RE: Homo want Hetero? - 1/29/2007 1:57:39 AM

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It seems to be a typical thing to think that every gay guy in the world is after their ass...but sorry, it's not true. Not everyone wants to sleep with them.

Master Fire

Lies!!! Damn lies!!! Everyone *DOES* want to sleep with me!

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