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thesacredboy -> are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/4/2005 5:02:03 PM)

(just me but) i believe that with a society as developed as we are, sissies along with subs in some cases are still not excepted by the world they came from. any input of this subject?



onceburned -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/4/2005 5:55:35 PM)

A few years ago I saw a movie called "Con Air". A minor character (and one of the bad guys) in the film is a effeminate transgendered person. The audience in the theater broke into loud cheers when this TG person was killed. I remember being startled by the vehemence of this apparent anger - the audience didn't cheer the death of anyone else.

Granted that was 8 years ago. But I don't think western culture has changed dramatically in that time, and perhaps American culture has become less tolerant.

But to discuss this fully, I think you will need to define what you mean by 'sissies'. Lots of definitions are possible.



stef -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/4/2005 6:08:03 PM)

Which character are you referring to? I saw 'Con Air' a while ago and the only character I can think of that fits your description is 'Ramon "Sally Can't Dance" Martinez,' and his character makes it until the end of the movie when he's pulled from the plane by police.

~stef



femdom4u2besub -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/4/2005 6:12:50 PM)

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are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society?
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I know that this was posted on the ask a sub board but I wanted to say that I personally love the TG/CD/TV community. I know that they are not totally excepted even in our own bdsm community...or so I have been told. I can not understand this way of thinking and wanted to say so out loud.



thesacredboy -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/4/2005 6:20:21 PM)

well i think we all have a different view of what a sissy actually is. it could be a man acting like a woman, a man acting like a child, a woman acting like a girl, even girls acting like girls. it could be a man simply wearing womens designed clothes. i think it could be along the lines of any one person purposely demeaning and/or humiliating themselves as part of their somewhat submissive nature to provoke inquiry in others. submissives are closer to be sissies than dominants or common modern human. therefore they are comfortable with straying from the heard. in some ways this involves wearings clothes that are not the dress to impress or do not show a glimmer of strength and acting as if they do not wish to outshine someone elses personality and intelligence by fooling themselves and others that they are better than others.

i dont mean to sound philosophical but i think it has something to do with a psychological innate mindset that instills in the best of us. in short it could be a defense mechanism for rebellion and exceptance of ones self to be a sissy.

what do you think?

p.s. i remember Con Air and the man being killed just for being different from the rest of them all it seemed. i was young at the time it came out but i remember being sad at the part.



onceburned -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/4/2005 6:30:00 PM)

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and the only character I can think of that fits your description is 'Ramon "Sally Can't Dance" Martinez,' and his character makes it until the end of the movie when he's pulled from the plane by police.


oopsss... my memory has gotten fuzzy! Well the person gets taken out of action somehow.... knocked out maybe?



stef -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/4/2005 7:09:30 PM)

I think he gets punched and knocked out by Nicholas Cage's character shortly before he takes control of the plane and it hits the Las Vegas strip. From what I recall, that's pretty much the extent of the violence inflicted upon that character.

~stef



malepleases4ever -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/5/2005 1:09:15 AM)

it seems to me, that to be accepted in society you must be respected. Unfortunately, if you give people a chance to walk over you, they will. A man acting like a child etc, is not something most peope can respect, and in fact might make them feel very uncomfortable. NOw this isn't to say that you can't gain acceptance. Like blacks in the 60s, women in the 70s and gays in the 80s,90 and today, different groups have gained greater status by demanding it. THis may seem contradictory, but the quickest way to gain acceptance is to get out there and be the most assertive, in-your-face, bad-ass sissy you can be, and demand to be respected.



Sissyslave71 -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/5/2005 3:19:09 AM)

Its all about FEAR.

Half the problem is from birth it is rammed into most males heads that being feminine is a sign of weakness et al.

"this will happen to you if you are like this" type of mantra coming from parents doesnt help either.

Untill people see that there is strenghth in individuality (dress and behavior etc) and we are all variations on a theme...I think people will remain hostile to those who fit the description of "wierd" or very different...including sissies.




sissymaidlola -> are sissies that cannot spell unaccepted ? (3/5/2005 6:14:43 AM)

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it seems to me, that to be accepted in society you must be respected ... the quickest way to gain acceptance is to get out there and be the most assertive, in-your-face, bad-ass sissy you can be, and demand to be respected.

[:o]AMEN, sister. In order to be ACCEPTED in society you must be RESPECTED. So don't be scared to make someone "an offer they cannot refuse" ... or have reservations whatsoever about you and a few other sissies going over to someone's place late at night and breaking a few kneecaps ... and definitely don't have any qualms about lashing out with your handbag every now and then. Be all the alpha sissy that you can be, hon. (thank you, U.S. Army recruitment).

<Pauses to stuff some cotton balls in his cheeks and touch up his lipstick.> They come to us demanding domestic service and the performance of menial household chores, but they don't ask with respect. They don't offer friendship. They don't even think to call us Godsissy or Dom Curly Only. They just expect us to clean the kitchen floor for free! What have we ever done to make them treat us so disrespectfully ? If they'd only come to us in friendship, then this scum that ruined their tiled floor would be suffering this very day.

So get out there, sis, and give as good as you get. Kick some transphobic ass and DEMAND to be RESPECTED, sweetie. Very quickly you'll have them all grovelling on the floor in front of you, just begging to lick your 5" stiletto heels. Yes, even those pussy FemDommes will kowtow to us sissies eventually. <giggles> Yeah, that's the ticket ... that'll show 'em ... ha, ha!

<Pauses to take his compact out of his handbag and powder his nose, while musing on the import of what he has just said.> Hmmm, on second thoughts, sissy isn't so sure he quite likes the way this is going ... :(

sissy maid lola

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angelpet -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/5/2005 6:19:12 AM)

From what I've seen, males as subs or sissies are not tolerated in general society and hardly in the lifestyle either, unless they show their submission in a masculine way.
In my opinion of course
angel



Sissyslave71 -> RE: are sissies that cannot spell unaccepted ? (3/5/2005 10:12:52 AM)

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In order to be ACCEPTED in society you must be RESPECTED.


Oh god!!!

In this NUTSOID, outdated, broken "society"....I am sooooo worried about being "respected".

Societies current paradigm should be flushed down the toilet as far as i'm concerned.

Its a joke.



sissymaidlola -> RE: Paradigm flushing ... (3/5/2005 1:06:08 PM)

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Societies current paradigm should be flushed down the toilet as far as i'm concerned.
[sm=lol.gif]Don't forget to give the toilet bowl a thoroughly good cleaning after flushing that there paradigm, dani ... <giggles>

Curtsies,

sissy maid lola

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BossBitch -> RE: are sissies that cannot spell unaccepted ? (3/5/2005 1:13:14 PM)

I despise transphobs!



mistoferin -> RE: are sissies that cannot spell unaccepted ? (3/5/2005 1:15:52 PM)

I despise posers.



malepleases4ever -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/5/2005 3:35:29 PM)

All I am saying is that respect and acceptance are two sides of the same coin - I am not sure how you can long for acceptance on the one hand, and denigrate respect on the other. Or maybe I don't really understand what you mean by acceptance. CAn you explain it further?



jenniferInPA -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/5/2005 5:54:31 PM)

i remember the movie. The effeminant tg wasn't killed. he was slapped by Nicolas Cage to shut him up. At the end of the movie he looked out at all of the police approaching the plane and said something like "Oh! Men in uniforms!"

i was taken aback by the audience reaction, too.

we seem to be the last "safe" group to make fun of and harrass. Look at how hard legislators work to make sure we aren't in any anti-hate and anti-discrimination legislation.



jenniferInPA -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/5/2005 6:05:56 PM)

i was in a TG support group for 5 years. Those into bd or sm weren't really supported, and sissies less so. But, it was interesting how many actually were into it.

i was critisized by the support group leader for giving a "bad example" by speaking in relative privacy about the issues with a professor of human sexuality at a local college.

We had just done a presentation to her class on being tg. Afterwards, she and i were talking in the teacher's lounge. She had some theories on it, and seemed glad to find someone to discuss them with.

i had expected a different reaction from someone willing to support others for being transgendered.

Pure discussion, not fantasies, etc.



Sissyslave71 -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/6/2005 12:12:08 PM)

Society's imposed norms are all about controlling the human population toward an "ideal".

Nothing more...nothing less.

The human herd broke out of that mentality breifly in the 1960's...now we seem to
be moving back instead forward.

De-volution...basically.



onceburned -> RE: are sissies unexcepted in today's "modern" society? (3/6/2005 1:53:30 PM)

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i was in a TG support group for 5 years. Those into bd or sm weren't really supported, and sissies less so. But, it was interesting how many actually were into it.


Jennifer, I am confused (probably my normal state of affairs, but I do try!) Did your TG support group discourage discussion of BDSM and sissy issues? Or was there an actual hostility?

I know that the term TG covers a wide sprectrum of gender expression and would imagine that this makes conversation difficult at times.



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