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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/31/2007 6:17:23 PM

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thank you for your advice/information and your well wishes. After this and talking to my Papi/Master, I am much calmer now... will continue to read what develops though

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/31/2007 7:56:10 PM

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I don't quite see the idea behind stating 'one has to be sane to consent', and it could be construde in many ways...many negative ways. Could you please clarify your meaning so I might better understand your point?

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ORIGINAL: catize
Are you referring to the legal definition of sanity or the medical (psychiatric) definition?

I was playing off what LA wrote but yes, in the context of safe, sane and consentual, one cannot consent to something if one is not of sound mind. That applies everywhere, not just BDSM.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 2/1/2007 4:49:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: valeca
I don't quite see the idea behind stating 'one has to be sane to consent', and it could be construde in many ways...many negative ways. Could you please clarify your meaning so I might better understand your point?

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ORIGINAL: catize
Are you referring to the legal definition of sanity or the medical (psychiatric) definition?

I was playing off what LA wrote but yes, in the context of safe, sane and consentual, one cannot consent to something if one is not of sound mind. That applies everywhere, not just BDSM.

You did not answer my question so I again ask, are you referring to legal or psychiatric insanity? They are different.
The law defines insanity as someone who doesn't know right from wrong. However, they still consent to legal representation and have a choice regarding who is going to be their lawyer.
Medically it is defined within the context of a person who has blurred the line between what is real and what is not. But again, they sign consent to treatment forms.
To be insane does not rob anyone of the ability to give or withhold consent.
There are those who would say even the mildest form of WIITWD is 'insane' and yet many of us consent to it.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 2/1/2007 4:59:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: catize
You did not answer my question so I again ask, are you referring to legal or psychiatric insanity? They are different.
The law defines insanity as someone who doesn't know right from wrong. However, they still consent to legal representation and have a choice regarding who is going to be their lawyer.
Medically it is defined within the context of a person who has blurred the line between what is real and what is not. But again, they sign consent to treatment forms.
To be insane does not rob anyone of the ability to give or withhold consent.
There are those who would say even the mildest form of WIITWD is 'insane' and yet many of us consent to it.

True. Signing "under duress" is enough to void a contract. In wiiwd, most of what I like involves forcible restraint, the definition of duress.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 2/1/2007 3:38:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: catize
You did not answer my question so I again ask, are you referring to legal or psychiatric insanity? They are different.
The law defines insanity as someone who doesn't know right from wrong. However, they still consent to legal representation and have a choice regarding who is going to be their lawyer.
Medically it is defined within the context of a person who has blurred the line between what is real and what is not. But again, they sign consent to treatment forms.
To be insane does not rob anyone of the ability to give or withhold consent.
There are those who would say even the mildest form of WIITWD is 'insane' and yet many of us consent to it.

Does it matter whether the definition is medical or legal? Either way, it is unethical and immoral to take advantage over a person who is not sound mind and reason. Human Rights are inherent and occur beyond that which is codified or even common law.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 2/1/2007 6:17:44 PM

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Does it matter whether the definition is medical or legal? Either way, it is unethical and immoral to take advantage over a person who is not sound mind and reason. Human Rights are inherent and occur beyond that which is codified or even common law.

That has little to do with your statement

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one cannot consent to something if one is not of sound mind.

Those whose thought processes are considered flawed can and do consent to many things. If a delusional person is invited to a party, would you say they are incapable of consenting to go?

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