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Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/30/2007 8:18:46 PM   
sissymaidforyou


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I am a novice sub that is looking to explore the Wonderfull World of crossdressing.  I am a true novice.  How far should one expect a mistress to take it before it is not resonable.  I have heard the standard answers of "we have to see" or " what ever your limits are" etc.
But what is the minimum a domme would expect to take it, before she realizes that this novice sub is too cautious or has too many boundaries etc.
I guess what I am asking is, if I find a domme that enjoys forced femme on her terms, what is the minimum to the maxium one should expect.
Respectfully,
jesse
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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/30/2007 8:39:13 PM   
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Well, as your screen name implies one thing, I don't see what will be 'forced'.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, right?

You have to understand that when you are submitting, the choice of how much or how little (dressing) is involved isn't your choice.  So, the answer could be 'zero'.

On the flip side, if you find a Domme that does appreciate dressing her boy, it can go quite far.  If the circumstances are advantageous to you (not in public, feels good to serve and to dress as she instructs), then you probably would not feel at all like it's 'too much'.

An important question to ask yourself now prior to being involved with anyone, 'What if it isn't enough for my taste?'  Or, 'I really enjoy submitting to this woman, but she's pushing me TOO much towards feminization'.

Dressing and submitting are two different things.  Which is most important for you?

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/30/2007 8:49:33 PM   
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Thank you for getting back to me!  I have only done a little experimenting with dressing by myself (ie. wearing some lingerie).  The problem I think is, once you cross the line and really get into it, there is not turning back!  I really want to serve, but at the same time I want to explore dressing to a some degree!  I am just worried, if the mistress wants to go all the way or even worse, I like it more than I thought!  I do not want to make major life changes!  Everytime I experimented, the lingerie never stayed on too long, because I would touch myself within a few minutues and before you know it, it would be all over.  After releasing, shame and guilt would kick in and I would usually discard the lingerie out of shame
Respectfully
jesse

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/30/2007 8:58:01 PM   
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Dear Jesse,
   You haven't crossed a line of no return with crossdressing until you have gone and done something like having breast implants, SRS, or some other sort of feminization surgery, or body modification through drugs.  If you start into hormone theripy your now passing the point of no return....techincally once you've had SRS you've really passed the point of no return.
    It sounds to me your more of sexual crossdresser and do not want to go all the way.  Just make sure that you talk about that, and how you feel with any domme before entering service with them.  Knowing your limits, and being able to discuss them with someone is part of the communication process.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/30/2007 9:03:05 PM   
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Thank you for getting back to me Koneko!  Your advice is greatly appreciated.  I really want to serve a please a domme that is into femming!  I am concerned that if I find a domme that I cannot say no to, what will happen if she wants to take it further than me.  I guess what I am asking for is, how far do dommes that do enjoy crossdressing usually like to take it and when and what is reasonable to say no to (I know saying no to srs is not unreasonable, but what is the max that is reasonable)
Respectfully
jesse
PS.  what other things go hand in hand with crossdressing, what other avenues does it lead to ?  I consider myself straight!

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/31/2007 6:29:20 AM   
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If I hear one more fetishistic crossdresser indulging his masturbatory fantasies about growing breasts and chopping his member off, I'm going to scream.

But, just to indulge it, lets see where you might draw the line shall we?

Removal of facial hair; around 20 hours of pain, along the lines of nettle stings if its laser or bee stings if its electrolysis. During each hour long session, you can expect 200-300 such stings. Then you get to pay handsomely for the privilege; reckon on about USD 8000-00

Hormonal treatment; high risk of liver damage, blood clots and heart problems, growth of benign and sometimes not so benign brain tumours. Most importantly, loss of erection and ejaculation ability - kind of makes the whole thing pointless if its sexual arousal youre looking for. Weight gain, moderate to severe psychological illness depending on whether this is for you or not.

Sex reassignment; enough said in those two words I guess. How motivated to please your mistress do you think you might be when you have no penis or balls, I wonder?

Living as female; expect to lose your job, your home, your friends, your family. Expect to be harangued on the street and wherever you go, assaulted and even murdered.


So, please just go and wear women's clothes if thats what youre into, OK? You can put on make up and a wig too and adopt an uber feminine affectation if you want too. Its OK, honestly. You should do whatever you like to do and nothing more, whoever suggests otherwise. Maybe you should read "Venus In Furs" by Masoch and think again about what you want, translating the situation there to the one youre envisioning. Thats if you can find a lady who would tolerate crossdressing in the first place, of which there arent many, or find one that likes it, which is even more of a rarity going from what has been posted here on the subject in the past. But good luck with it anyway.

But please, please stop with this fantasising as it makes you look like a trolling idiot and it makes many think that this is what I and several other TS women here are.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/31/2007 7:57:38 AM   
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i tend to always see being dressed as a sissy, or frilly associated with Forcedfeminization. that has never really done anything for myself or the One that broke me into my sub interests. but, She has had me don leather thigh-high boots, black leather corset, and a good amount of makeup before the play started a few times. more of a slutty look then a sissy or frilly look. would that still fit in the catagory and is that a more unusual interest for a Domme?

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/31/2007 8:04:22 AM   
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My Mistress enjoys me as her sissy. She has a complete maids outfit with wig and heels for me. A strict locking corset is required. I enjoy it for her.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/31/2007 8:05:35 AM   
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She has taken me out in public in female dress, kinda humiliating, but she enjoyed it..

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/31/2007 9:08:54 AM   
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You should go as far as you want. In other words, you get to indulge your fetish to the degree you prefer. You should think about what you want to get out of your women's-clothing fetish.

Do you want to dress in women's clothes because the clothes feel or look sexy, independent of gender identity? In other words, is a satin slip sexy just because it's silky and pretty? If so, you should wear clothing as feminine as you like to get the sexy feeling you want.

Do you want to dress in women's clothes because gender-fucking is erotic to you? Is a satin slip sexy because it is a woman's garment? This wouldn't necessarily involve a desire to change your gender identity or presentation in all your actions, but it does likely mean that you find toying with the boundaries of masculine and feminine appealing. If so, you should wear clothing--and, perhaps, other accessories like wigs--that gives you a sufficiently feminine or androgynous appearance and feeling to make you feel sufficiently transgressive with respect to gender identity.

Do you want to dress in women's clothes because you look silly in them and it would be humiliating? If so, you should wear clothing and accessories that make you look silly and feel embarrassed.

Do you want to dress in women's clothes because you would prefer to live, work, and socialize full-time as a woman? If so, look at LadyEllen's post and some literature on transitioning. This is a major life change, and you should probably do some serious thinking and planning about it. Then you would need to do what you must to make your new, female identity work in social interactions.

But for the first three, it's really not a big, life-changing, irrevocable event. While beginning to interact socially and professionally as a woman would require you to engage in feminine presentations and behaviors to conform to other people's ideas of womanhood, the first three options are all about how YOU (and, if you're doing this with a partner, him or her) think and feel. So you get to affect as much femininity as you like.

If your partner wants something and you don't, you get to refuse to do it, and that's fair. If you want something and your partner doesn't, and he or she refuses, that's also fair. In either case, you may need to choose between the activity and the partner, and that is fair as well.

What do dominants like? It varies. I've heard more decisive statements about the overtone of the session than about whether the crossdresser is wearing both stockings and panties or just panties. I'm okay with most varieties of dressing, except the version that involves forcing a submissive to dress like a woman to humiliate him--not because he looks goofy with hairy legs sticking out of a dress, but because looking like or being a woman is humiliating. I find that distasteful because I'm a woman, and I'm not embarrassed by looking like a woman, indeed, I think being a woman is a rather nice thing. I've heard more than a few other dominant women express similar feelings. Now, that's not to say that there aren't people who disagree, but that womanhood-is-embarrassing line of crossdressing is probably going to engender the strongest negative responses. Rejections of other varieties of crossdressing would, I imagine, be milder, the "Eh, that's not my thing," sort.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/31/2007 9:10:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sissymaidforyou

Thank you for getting back to me Koneko! Your advice is greatly appreciated. I really want to serve a please a domme that is into femming! I am concerned that if I find a domme that I cannot say no to, what will happen if she wants to take it further than me. I guess what I am asking for is, how far do dommes that do enjoy crossdressing usually like to take it and when and what is reasonable to say no to (I know saying no to srs is not unreasonable, but what is the max that is reasonable)
Respectfully
jesse
PS. what other things go hand in hand with crossdressing, what other avenues does it lead to ? I consider myself straight!


If she wants to take it further than you are willing to go then you need to stop the action and when things have calmed down discuss the problems that are occuring.

As for your original question, going too far would be permenant body modification. If you think just cross dressing messes with your head, actually having things removed or added to make you appear female all the time no matter where you go, will definately drive you insane.

Going out in public will make you a target for homophobes and transphobes, religeous nutters, etc. You have to decide if you are strong enough (mentally) to deal with them should you encounter them.

If you are straight, then I would say don't go with a Domme who is going to insist on you sleeping with guys. Or for that matter anything involving a dildo or vibrator if you are really phobic.

Make up and clothing are harmless.

Also with regard to the guilt that makes you toss out your collection of clothing. It's called 'purging' many CD's do it while still struggling to overcome the guilt and shame. The best way to avoid loosing your things is to have a place where when the guilt hits you, pack everything away in that place, where you can't see it and it's happily out of mind until you get the need again to pull those things out and play with them again. It'll save you a lot of time, money and frustration.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/31/2007 9:34:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sissymaidforyou

I am a novice sub that is looking to explore the Wonderfull World of crossdressing.  I am a true novice.  How far should one expect a mistress to take it before it is not resonable.  I have heard the standard answers of "we have to see" or " what ever your limits are" etc.
But what is the minimum a domme would expect to take it, before she realizes that this novice sub is too cautious or has too many boundaries etc.
I guess what I am asking is, if I find a domme that enjoys forced femme on her terms, what is the minimum to the maxium one should expect.
Respectfully,
jesse

First of all please understand not all female Dominants are into cross dressing. In fact very few are from what I understand. Personally, I think it is alot of fun.

How far will your Dominant allow it to go? Well that is her call based on the negotiations the two of you have (or will have) made. Stick to your limits! For my sub I allow him to dress completely as well as wear makeup and a wig. Also before he buys anything he does have to get my permission.

Now I have a rule about dressing and going out and it is NO. There are too many lunatics in this world that believe a man that cross dresses should be harmed. For my sub's safety and to keep me out of jail for killing someone for hurting him, I have instructed him not to dress and go out. The only exception to this rule is if we were going out to a party and I would have him dress there and change to his street clothes before we left.

Also I am not forcing him to CD, it is something that we both had an interest in and are therefore pursuing. I've never been into "forcing", either our interests mesh or they do not and if they do not then we both need to keep looking.

Good Luck,
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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 1/31/2007 7:33:28 PM   
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i gota say some very very good points were made here and i think some of the best so far on the crossdressing  of males .. i also dress but not fully or all the way wig n make i have but im more the panties n brasn garters n hose cd . but i realy thuink most of us who dress h=get hooked on the feeling the fabrcis bring us as wellas the idea that other might not know we are wearing panties or other things under male clothes ....

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 2/1/2007 6:04:29 AM   
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A friend of mine is a highly skilled cross dresser.  He is not a sub or dom.  His wife is into women, and he is into men. It works out great for them.  You could not tell the difference in him and a woman from a distance.  Close up you can tell the difference.
My slave is into total feminiization, but I prefer a manly man.  Sure, I may want to put them in a thong, but I still prefer a man to be a man.
Just my two cents.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 2/1/2007 3:29:14 PM   
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Living as female; expect to lose your job, your home, your friends, your family. Expect to be harangued on the street and wherever you go, assaulted and even murdered.


ahahah, talk about EXTREME overstatement.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 2/1/2007 3:32:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwyn

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Living as female; expect to lose your job, your home, your friends, your family. Expect to be harangued on the street and wherever you go, assaulted and even murdered.


ahahah, talk about EXTREME overstatement.



Actually, it's presenting possibilities from someone who's been there, lived that.  

When you decided to start living as a female, did all of those who knew you as a male support you, or did you lose some of those relationships?

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 2/1/2007 3:34:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsSonnetMarwood

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwyn

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Living as female; expect to lose your job, your home, your friends, your family. Expect to be harangued on the street and wherever you go, assaulted and even murdered.


ahahah, talk about EXTREME overstatement.



Actually, it's presenting possibilities from someone who's been there, lived that.  

When you decided to start living as a female, did all of those who knew you as a male support you, or did you lose some of those relationships?


Sorry, but saying that if you choose to live as a female then you should expect to be murdered is just flat out stupid.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 2/1/2007 3:37:58 PM   
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Sorry, but saying that if you choose to live as a female then you should expect to be murdered is just flat out stupid.



It's listed as a possibility, which it is - there's a lot of prejudice out there.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 2/1/2007 3:42:14 PM   
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quote:


Sorry, but saying that if you choose to live as a female then you should expect to be murdered is just flat out stupid.



It's listed as a possibility, which it is - there's a lot of prejudice out there.


well, okay, but still to say that one should EXPECT to lose friend/family/jobs is still just as stupid and ignorant. I know a variety of people who have made the transformation and were met with much support from everyone that they cared about and vice versa. If you're surrounded by fake people and have only weak relationships, THEN maybe you can expect to lose all that, but if you are a good judge of character and surround yourself with people that are the same, then you should expect to have nothing to worry about. For her to make the statements that she did, I really have to question the relationships that LadyEllen has in her life.

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RE: Femminization, how far should one go? - 2/1/2007 4:20:55 PM   
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Edwyn

I have been very lucky as it happens. I kept my family and my friends, I only lost my job and a relationship of 20 years, by which I also lost my home. I'm also lucky in that I have the wherewithal to have built a multinational business over the last three years (no, nothing to do with sex in case youre wondering) and to have maintained good relations with my ex and by pure luck, to have kept my first apartment which I'd rented out beforehand, to move back into.

I have also been very lucky in that I happen to look sufficiently female (I pass in the jargon) that I dont get any problems, and can go where I want as female and not even raise an eye at eastern European border controls, where theyre still quite suspicious. I even get interest from guys who arent in the slightest bit interested in TS women.

BUT, I also work with the local police here, advising on transgender issues. I've not only seen the transphobic crime figures Edwyn (harassment, assaults, death threats etc), but I've had several less lucky people referred to me for help and comfort. This, Edwyn is where I draw the evidence for what I wrote OK? The real lives of real people who have lost everything, the real lives of real people whose families are out to kill them, and one real life in particular which has to sleep with a fire extinguisher in bed in case of yet another arson attack overnight.

You can question whatever Edwyn, but the possibilities I listed are real. Equally, the fact is that few people announcing transition have any idea about how their friends and families, employers and so on will react. Sometimes it goes well, sometimes as in my case it goes reasonably well, sometimes its an absolute disaster. Whilst one would always hope that personal and social disaster will not be the case, one should always plan for that to happen, thus expect it.

You are I believe Edwyn, from your profile at least, only 19 years old? This isnt to denigrate your life experience, but honestly, unless you are a special case (and thats possible), believe me, you aint seen nothin of life yet. At your age, youre better to keep your mouth shut and your ears open.

E

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